Will Still

[S-Clarke]

5 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

We've got half a new team ffs.

To be fair, it's an absolute complete abomination of a squad. It's a bloated, disjointed complete and utter mess.

Good players mean nothing when the structure of the squad is as horrific as ours.

[Sarisbury Saint]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Don’t be ridiculous. 

And the last 5 or so ? Always the manager, never the shit on the pitch.

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Not sure would have stunted anyone trajectory. All the recent departures have done well enough finding good jobs...

Nathan Jones will embarrass Still at this rate

Still will get sacked and come and embarrass the next poor sod we employ next season though

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Crab Lungs said:

There’s a lot of people blaming the players. It’s not them. If you’re a manager, you’re accountable. Every team I’ve seen has looked fitter, better organised and more motivated. That’s on the manager

You'll never reach Saintsweb intelligentsia level if you make the manager accountable FFS...

Edited Tuesday at 21:19 by trousers

[Willo of Whiteley]

He won’t be sacked. SR aren’t going to admit another fuck up, and admit it yourselves - who do you bring in?

And I mean seriously? Who looks at this now and goes “yeah I’m tempted”?

Who are fans going to all get behind?

There isn’t many out there.

[Osvaldorama]

The Bristol players said it after the game. 
 

We started well, so the manager matches our formation and negates us completely. 
 

What did will still do? Absolutely fuck all 

[LGTL]

15 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Has anyone considered that the manager might not be the only thing that dictates result? Or do we need to go through our 5th one this year to consider it?

What exactly do you suggest we do then? Which clubs in history have sacked all their players, board and owners before sacking the manager?

It’s all very noble but fucking pie in the sky to suggest we have any other choice except sack the manager. 

[James]

7 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

These players are shit. Nothing to do with the manager. Too many lazy buggers who think they’re better than they are.

Sick to death of them getting away with it all the time and blaming the managers.

 

Nothing to do with the manager? He said publicly he wanted players to play a 4-2-3-1, the board duly signed those players and yet, after one bad performance at Hull, is dead set on sticking with a formation that can’t fit the players we spent most of our budget on. Will Still has no idea how or who he wants to play, he is just throwing shit at a wall and hoping some of it sticks. He is out of his depth. 

[Baird of the land]

With exception of Wrexham game (where they ran out of steam and we capitalised) still has an amazing ability to make us look worse via his substitutions.

[Fabrice29]

10 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

You say this, but what the fuck else are we supposed to do? 
 

Clearly not working, clearly the formation is absolutely wrecking us. 
We were promised our new director of football would bring in the signings we needed, but he’s managed to sign Ali Dia and make us weaker at both business ends.  
 

Dunno where we go from here, really. Are we really going to lose each week until we can sign a striker? 

Demand more from the players and have a bit of patience. 4 managers we've had this year, 5 in the last 12 months. The last thing anyone needs more new ideas. In the short term, start Robinson, Azaz, Armstrong and Downs as a narrow front four. 

[Lallana's Left Peg]

He knew what he was getting himself in for.  He's been told he's got two seasons (he has publicly stated this) as the Board recognised how poor the squad and mentality was.  What he's got to figure out pretty quickly is who is going to be on the ride with him and who isn't and make some tough decisions.  The future is never this 3-4-3, which is clearly in place to try and put a plaster over the pathetic lack of resilience and mentality in the squad.  The squad has been built with 4-2-3-1 in mind, and at some point he is going to have to bite the bullet with it.

Edited Tuesday at 21:23 by Lallana's Left Peg

[Lighthouse]

Just now, Osvaldorama said:

What did will still do? Absolutely fuck all 

That’s not true, after we went 3-1 we took off a striker. Always one step ahead, Will, I bet they weren’t expecting that.

[Saint86]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

Demand more from the players and have a bit of patience. 4 managers we've had this year, 5 in the last 12 months. The last thing anyone needs more new ideas. In the short term, start Robinson, Azaz, Armstrong and Downs as a narrow front four. 

Start downs...  😂

But TBF, I'll give you a 7/10, you almost had me.

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, LGTL said:

What exactly do you suggest we do then? Which clubs in history have sacked all their players, board and owners before sacking the manager?

It’s all very noble but fucking pie in the sky to suggest we have any other choice except sack the manager. 

I suggest we let someone have a proper crack at the job they've been employed to do rather than convince ourselves there's some magical button that turns everything around out there even though we've pressed it 4 times this year and have seemingly got worse each time? 

[CB Fry]

24 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Give another manager those 8 games instead. Thats worked out well all year.

Did you manage to get a refund on your Glasgow Rangers Pillow and Duvet set after all?

[RedArmy]

You know he’s in trouble when the club PR machine is rolled out. 

[S-Clarke]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Demand more from the players and have a bit of patience. 4 managers we've had this year, 5 in the last 12 months. The last thing anyone needs more new ideas. In the short term, start Robinson, Azaz, Armstrong and Downs as a narrow front four. 

I get the have patience line, but as a fan base we're sat here with what - 4 wins in 18 months? or something like that. I'm literally all out of patience at this stage.

I don't sit here and put this all on the manager, as like you say this is a repeating cycle and if we get locked into it, we become Watford/Norwich/Stoke/Swansea etc etc - in fact, I think we're already there to be honest. 

My feeling is that we went too big in the summer with additions, too many new faces all over the place, left the squad too bloated in the areas we added to - but we negated the two most critical areas of the team, and that will just totally undo anything we're trying to do. It kind of makes the Azaz/Fellows signings entirely null and void from the outset.

Everyone is accountable for this situation - coaches, manager, players etc etc - but my pure anger sits solely with SR, the recruitment and the utter shambles they are taking us thorough time and time again. That's where my energy is, not on 'getting another manager out' - because we'll be here again in March.

Edited Tuesday at 21:26 by S-Clarke

[saint michael]

8 minutes ago, LGTL said:

What exactly do you suggest we do then? Which clubs in history have sacked all their players, board and owners before sacking the manager?

It’s all very noble but fucking pie in the sky to suggest we have any other choice except sack the manager. 

The only reason we have to keep going through managers might be because the special owners keep hiring managers that can’t manage and trying to be clever people. 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 21:29 by saint michael

[Turkish]

Where are the people who told that experience of the championship was absolutely not important when it came to being a manager?

[Mixedkebab]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

To be fair, it's an absolute complete abomination of a squad. It's a bloated, disjointed complete and utter mess.

Good players mean nothing when the structure of the squad is as horrific as ours.

Keeper position- crap

RB- Jelert and Roerslev should be good at this level

LB- Wellington and Manning as above

CB- on paper very good for this league but one too many in the squad

Centre mid- 3 strong players for 2 positions

AM/ wingers Azaz, Robinson, Fellows, Scienza all more than good enough

Strikers- Disaster 

But the biggest frustration of all is the mentality, how weak and fragile we are- same for years mostly. 
I just can’t pinpoint why it is, it seemed to start with the 0-9 and it’s hung around like a bad smell since.

 

[Bakovnetski]

5 minutes ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

He knew what he was getting himself in for.  He's been told he's got two seasons (he has publicly stated this) as the Board recognised how poor the squad and mentality was.  What he's got to figure out pretty quickly is who is going to be on the ride with him and who isnWhat he's got to figure out pretty quickly is who is going to be on the ride with him and who isn't and make some tough decisions't and make some tough decisions.  The future is never this 3-4-3, which is clearly in place to try and put a plaster over the pathetic lack of resilience and mentality in the squad.  The squad has been built with 4-2-3-1 in mind, and at some point he is going to have to bite the bullet with it.

The problem is that he will lose the dressing room soon enough so he'll not be on that bus for the ride when SR knee jerk

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

You know he’s in trouble when the club PR machine is rolled out. 

Another thing we’re missing is that player to come out with a “must do better” post match crap loss interview. Never really replaced Hojbjerg in that department 

[danjosaint]

10 minutes ago, James said:

Nothing to do with the manager? He said publicly he wanted players to play a 4-2-3-1, the board duly signed those players and yet, after one bad performance at Hull, is dead set on sticking with a formation that can’t fit the players we spent most of our budget on. Will Still has no idea how or who he wants to play, he is just throwing shit at a wall and hoping some of it sticks. He is out of his depth. 

Depends whose picking formation 

[Fabrice29]

8 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Did you manage to get a refund on your Glasgow Rangers Pillow and Duvet set after all?

You going to put some respect on his name yet or were you one of those convincing yourself you hated the season we actually won games and scored goals?

[CB Fry]

Look he did a breathtaking job at Lens leading them to 8th when previous seasons they had been languishing in 7th, 7th, 7th 2nd, 2nd, and 5th.

A tough league that the likes of useless old Claude Puel could only achieve winning the league title in.

 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

9 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I suggest we let someone have a proper crack at the job they've been employed to do rather than convince ourselves there's some magical button that turns everything around out there even though we've pressed it 4 times this year and have seemingly got worse each time? 

Are you fuckin Solak or someone connected to the club? I know you will come back with some twat smug fuck of a comment, but if you genuinely don't think our managers our at fault then I don't understand your reasoning.

[CB Fry]

4 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

You going to put some respect on his name yet or were you one of those convincing yourself you hated the season we actually won games and scored goals?

I don't hate that season but I love taking the piss out of you you fucking wet wipe

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Edited Tuesday at 21:39 by CB Fry

[Lighthouse]

13 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

To be fair, it's an absolute complete abomination of a squad. It's a bloated, disjointed complete and utter mess.

Good players mean nothing when the structure of the squad is as horrific as ours.

What? It’s stacked with talent in basically all departments apart from a couple of average goalkeepers, and how many points have they cost us this season? Zero.

Every season people complain that we sign some quirky, Slovenian U15s, girls, disability inclusivity league player based on football manager stats instead of decent, experienced players for the league we’re in. This year we’ve actually gone out and signed Fellows, Mads and Azaz and brought Charles and Edwards back from loan to complement the bags of Championship experience we already have. On top of that Jander, Jelert and especially Leo have all looked decent like decent signings from abroad.

This squad is superb, it’s just appallingly managed and playing nowhere near its potential.

[LGTL]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Look he did a breathtaking job at Lens leading them to 8th when previous seasons they had been languishing in 7th, 7th, 7th 2nd, 2nd, and 5th.

A tough league that the likes of useless old Claude Puel could only achieve winning the league title in.

 

What I’d do for a Claude Puel now 😔 

[Turkish]

Just now, LGTL said:

What I’d do for a Claude Puel now 😔 

Why struggling to get to sleep?

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

What? It’s stacked with talent in basically all departments apart from a couple of average goalkeepers, and how many points have they cost us this season? Zero.

Every season people complain that we sign some quirky, Slovenian U15s, girls, disability inclusivity league player based on football manager stats instead of decent, experienced players for the league we’re in. This year we’ve actually gone out and signed Fellows, Mads and Azaz and brought Charles and Edwards back from loan to complement the bags of Championship experience we already have. On top of that Jander, Jelert and especially Leo have all looked decent like decent signings from abroad.

This squad is superb, it’s just appallingly managed and playing nowhere near its potential.

I think the squad is a mess. Quality, yes, not denying that - but it's totally unbalanced and bloated.

We've got Edozie and Aribo not even making the squads, we've got 5 Centre backs, 3 horrific goal keepers and no centre forward.

We have a good 10, and some good wingers for this level - but we already had Edozie and Aribo, so you've got to think if it was more prudent to spend that Fellows/Azaz money on a GK and a ST, and give Edozie and Aribo the game time.

[Badger]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Where are the people who told that experience of the championship was absolutely not important when it came to being a manager?

Same people who told us or GK’s and strikers were ample good enough for this league. 

[Wade Garrett]

18 minutes ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

He knew what he was getting himself in for.  He's been told he's got two seasons (he has publicly stated this) as the Board recognised how poor the squad and mentality was.  What he's got to figure out pretty quickly is who is going to be on the ride with him and who isn't and make some tough decisions.  The future is never this 3-4-3, which is clearly in place to try and put a plaster over the pathetic lack of resilience and mentality in the squad.  The squad has been built with 4-2-3-1 in mind, and at some point he is going to have to bite the bullet with it.

If he’s got 2 seasons there will be fuck all of the club left.

Absolute nonsense that he’s got 2 years.  No manager has.

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, LGTL said:

What I’d do for a Claude Puel now 😔 

I know what I’d do. Buy him a one way Eurostar ticket back to France. This is bad but Claude is not the answer.

[Turkish]

Just now, Badger said:

Same people who told us or GK’s and strikers were ample good enough for this league. 

Yep

Baz was definitely good enough for the premier league, he’s kept clean sheets at international level!

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

I think the squad is a mess. Quality, yes, not denying that - but it's totally unbalanced and bloated.

We've got Edozie and Aribo not even making the squads, we've got 5 Centre backs, 3 horrific goal keepers and no centre forward.

We have a good 10, and some good wingers for this level - but we already had Edozie and Aribo, so you've got to think if it was more prudent to spend that Fellows/Azaz money on a GK and a ST, and give Edozie and Aribo the game time.

Bloated, so what? Still the same number of players picked for a match day squad.

When we have proven championship quality sat on the bench over another CB, you know something is wrong with the manager

[saintant]

19 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I’m going to try and be rational.

Saturday against Swansea was entirely on the players inability to score. Not Will Still.

Tonight, three defensive errors was entirely on the players inability to defend. Not Will Still.

The problem I have with him though is his lack of tactical prowess. There’s no clear way that we play, apart from underwhelming.
We have players that supposedly can attack teams at this level yet we choose not to use them.
We persist with three CBs, despite the fact it’s been proven for some years that every time we play like that we concede just as many goals, which begs the question why not have that extra attacking player up top on in midfield.

This is where he does frustrate me. He isn’t learning.

Agree with this and time we reverted to a traditional back four. If you have 3 centre backs all you are doing is encouraging them to continually pass the ball sideways and backwards between them and this is what is happening. It clearly leaves us one light in midfield and once Brizzle City worked that out they over ran us in the middle of the park because Charles and Jander had far too much work to do. Having said that we really did gift them 3 goals tonight to hand them the game, they were 3 of the poorest goals to concede. I don't think you can pin those 3 cock ups on the bloke stood on the touchline. However, after tonight's capitulation he is going to come under increasing pressure and he needs a big result at the weekend. Got to ditch playing with 3 centre backs and try something different.

[notnowcato]

16 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Where are the people who told that experience of the championship was absolutely not important when it came to being a manager?

They’re running the fucking show!

[RedArmy]

7 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Look he did a breathtaking job at Lens leading them to 8th when previous seasons they had been languishing in 7th, 7th, 7th 2nd, 2nd, and 5th.

A tough league that the likes of useless old Claude Puel could only achieve winning the league title in.

 

And they’re now riding high in 4th without him. 

[Wade Garrett]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

What? It’s stacked with talent in basically all departments apart from a couple of average goalkeepers, and how many points have they cost us this season? Zero.

Every season people complain that we sign some quirky, Slovenian U15s, girls, disability inclusivity league player based on football manager stats instead of decent, experienced players for the league we’re in. This year we’ve actually gone out and signed Fellows, Mads and Azaz and brought Charles and Edwards back from loan to complement the bags of Championship experience we already have. On top of that Jander, Jelert and especially Leo have all looked decent like decent signings from abroad.

This squad is superb, it’s just appallingly managed and playing nowhere near its potential.

👏 👏 👏 

Great post.

[Badger]

3 minutes ago, Badger said:

Same people who told us or GK’s and strikers were ample good enough for this league. 

And if I couldn’t see what Will Still brought to the club after listening to the Lauren’s (French journalist) review on Solent, there was no hope for me ! 

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Are you fuckin Solak or someone connected to the club? I know you will come back with some twat smug fuck of a comment, but if you genuinely don't think our managers our at fault then I don't understand your reasoning.

I'm Lucy Pinder still, I think? 

I just think that we can all throw around various accusations as to who is at fault, and everyone does, but the reality is we've been through 4 managers this year and we've probably got worse each time? I'm not sure we need to do that again and think that maybe, some patience and acceptance that like the last time we were in this league that maybe allowing the players the opportunity to grow in the really long season might be the best option? 

We've obviously not started as well as last time, and I did try and remind people on here the manager we had last time did quite a good job, but the season is really long. I'm not saying the manager is faultless, far from it but people wanted a pragmatic manager, well this is what pragmatism looks like, when it's bad, it's really bad, but rather than just throwing everything up in the air again, I'm much more on the side of actually giving someone some time to get it right instead of changing again? The only time this club has had success under this ownership is when the manager wasn't hounded out immediately.

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I don't hate that season but I love taking the piss out of you you fucking wet wipe

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

And boy are you doing a really good and witty job of that  

[saintant]

27 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Demand more from the players and have a bit of patience. 4 managers we've had this year, 5 in the last 12 months. The last thing anyone needs more new ideas. In the short term, start Robinson, Azaz, Armstrong and Downs as a narrow front four. 

Are you serious?

[notnowcato]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

I'm Lucy Pinder still, I think? 

 

Rule 1

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think the squad is a mess. Quality, yes, not denying that - but it's totally unbalanced and bloated.

We've got Edozie and Aribo not even making the squads, we've got 5 Centre backs, 3 horrific goal keepers and no centre forward.

We have a good 10, and some good wingers for this level - but we already had Edozie and Aribo, so you've got to think if it was more prudent to spend that Fellows/Azaz money on a GK and a ST, and give Edozie and Aribo the game time.

How is it ‘unbalanced’? How do Edozie and Aribo not being included in the squad affect things in any way? We’re not short of players anywhere. As for strikers, Armstrong will score you 20 a season in a supporting role, even if Archer or Downes is misfiring up front. Neither of our keepers is ‘horrific’, that’s just hysteria. Baz should have held on to Hull’s first goal and McC had a brain fart tonight but it’s hardly as if our superb outfield play is being undone by howlers every game. I reiterate, they’ve cost us zero points so far.

Fellows and Azaz are better players than Edozie and Aribo. That’s why we signed them. Why we aren’t playing them every week is beyond me.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

I'm Lucy Pinder still, I think? 

I just think that we can all throw around various accusations as to who is at fault, and everyone does, but the reality is we've been through 4 managers this year and we've probably got worse each time? I'm not sure we need to do that again and think that maybe, some patience and acceptance that like the last time we were in this league that maybe allowing the players the opportunity to grow in the really long season might be the best option? 

We've obviously not started as well as last time, and I did try and remind people on here the manager we had last time did quite a good job, but the season is really long. I'm not saying the manager is faultless, far from it but people wanted a pragmatic manager, well this is what pragmatism looks like, when it's bad, it's really bad, but rather than just throwing everything up in the air again, I'm much more on the side of actually giving someone some time to get it right instead of changing again? The only time this club has had success under this ownership is when the manager wasn't hounded out immediately.

And boy are you doing a really good and witty job of that  

 

There is some sense in this but you are asking us to place our faith in a Manager that SR have appointed which is already an unavoidable red flag, and whilst the need for stability and consistency is hugely important for the players they are currently letting the manager down and I am not sure why we think it will change when they have often let us down more than they have simply met their end of the bargain of effort and concentration.

Still seems to be able to identify the issues but not correct them.  That's a huge concern.  It is not his fault when players miss sitters and it is not his fault when defenders make mistakes.  But he is responsible for the mentality, and he is responsible for finding a way to win games with a squad that is comfortably Top 2 on paper.  The clock is ticking for progress.

[Pamplemousse]

Unless we're in a relegation battle, there's no point in sacking him. Nobody could get this lot up to the play off places.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

4 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I'm Lucy Pinder still, I think? 

I just think that we can all throw around various accusations as to who is at fault, and everyone does, but the reality is we've been through 4 managers this year and we've probably got worse each time? I'm not sure we need to do that again and think that maybe, some patience and acceptance that like the last time we were in this league that maybe allowing the players the opportunity to grow in the really long season might be the best option? 

We've obviously not started as well as last time, and I did try and remind people on here the manager we had last time did quite a good job, but the season is really long. I'm not saying the manager is faultless, far from it but people wanted a pragmatic manager, well this is what pragmatism looks like, when it's bad, it's really bad, but rather than just throwing everything up in the air again, I'm much more on the side of actually giving someone some time to get it right instead of changing again? The only time this club has had success under this ownership is when the manager wasn't hounded out immediately.

And boy are you doing a really good and witty job of that  

But there has to be a point where you look at the situation and realise that your manager doesn't know his best starting 11 and isn't getting the best out of the players he has available. I wanted Still to really work, but it just seems at the moment we are a mess. 

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think the squad is a mess. Quality, yes, not denying that - but it's totally unbalanced and bloated.

We've got Edozie and Aribo not even making the squads, we've got 5 Centre backs, 3 horrific goal keepers and no centre forward.

We have a good 10, and some good wingers for this level - but we already had Edozie and Aribo, so you've got to think if it was more prudent to spend that Fellows/Azaz money on a GK and a ST, and give Edozie and Aribo the game time.

£60m worth of players on the bench tonight, £60m not starting and we’re 17th in the league. It’s insane

[stknowle]

34 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

The Bristol players said it after the game. 
 

We started well, so the manager matches our formation and negates us completely. 
 

What did will still do? Absolutely fuck all 

This is what does it for me. Complete and utter inability to react to opposition changes in tactics and affect the flow of the game. Just plough on with how we started and throw a load of attacking subs on at around 70 and/of 80 mins. It’s hopeless, one-dimensional, plain as day shit. He ain’t up to it.