Will Still

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

Let's be honest, it's not just Still, transfer window was underwhelming again and didn't fix enough of our problems, don't get me started on Damion Mara today 

Sekou Mara is crap but still light years ahead of Downs. Downs is far worse than some Conference South strikers I’ve seen at Torquay Utd. 

[O_Lord_Marian]

Just now, Football Special said:

Let's be honest, it's not just Still, transfer window was underwhelming again and didn't fix enough of our problems, don't get me started on Damion Mara today 

Apart from not addressing the starting GK and striker position, thought the window was decent. However, we appear rudderless in terms of tactics, and this falls solely on Still and the coaching staff.

[Football Special]

1 minute ago, O_Lord_Marian said:

Apart from not addressing the starting GK and striker position, thought the window was decent. However, we appear rudderless in terms of tactics, and this falls solely on Still and the coaching staff.

We've been out muscled in midfield every game this season as well 

[Wade Garrett]

He picks Baz every week, he picked Downs today, I have no clue how we’re trying to play, he demonstrates his tactical genius by just throwing a load of forwards on after about an hour or so.

The guy is absolute dogshit.  We are going nowhere under his management.  

SR just keep appointing shit managers.  Still is more of the same I’m afraid.  Another fucking snake oil salesman.

[Saint NL]

4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Sekou Mara is crap but still light years ahead of Downs. Downs is far worse than some Conference South strikers I’ve seen at Torquay Utd. 

Eight million pounds

 

 

😂😂😂😂

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, O_Lord_Marian said:

Apart from not addressing the starting GK and striker position, thought the window was decent. However, we appear rudderless in terms of tactics, and this falls solely on Still and the coaching staff.

We fucked up the spine really. We added quality in and around it on the flanks, 10's etc.

But crucially for me, and lots of others - GK, CB, ST - piss poor. Fucked it right up. Those 3 misses will make the rest null and void which is a shame as we'll never get to see the best of them.

[Football Special]

5 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Sekou Mara is crap but still light years ahead of Downs. Downs is far worse than some Conference South strikers I’ve seen at Torquay Utd. 

Don't disagree, Spors needs to make himself available for interview and explain some of these decisions,  part of the clueless SR team who make bad decision after bad decision 

[Saint NL]

I was initially excited by Stills appointment, but after 6(!) league games I think it's pretty clear for all to see that he's not up to the task.

A shame. 

[Colinjb]

Doesn't matter who we appoint if we don't spend money sensibly on addressing key weaknesses in the team.

[Football Special]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

We fucked up the spine really. We added quality in and around it on the flanks, 10's etc.

But crucially for me, and lots of others - GK, CB, ST - piss poor. Fucked it right up. Those 3 misses will make the rest null and void which is a shame as we'll never get to see the best of them.

Made this point back several times and shouted down by others,  we didn't build a team, neglected the core , fed up reading posts on here about how poor the championship is and our players are "better" , maybe some of them will get it now 

Transfer window 08/10 FFS they'll never learn 

[Turkish]

I thought he’d be good but that was absolutely awful

first time I’ve seen us live for a while and it was clueless. No movement up whatsoever up front with players just stood there not sure what to do, slow crap sideways passing or balls lumped forward cluelessly. 
 

I don’t want to single anyone out as they were all so crap but who on Earth is reasonable for Downs? He was absolutely dreadful.

the only bright spark for me was Azaz at least tried to make this happen but there was no movement, no one creating space, no one offering anything 

Hull were crap but still beat us easily. 3 goals conceded from high balls into the box 

Don’t often see managers turn this around, I like the guy but that was terrible. Even the saints fans were singing “we’re fucking shit” At the end 

[HarvSFC]

I was slightly concerned when Still didn't arrive with his coaching staff (his brothers), that he had his good record with in France. There have definitely been cases in the past of manager's being elevated by their staff and struggling with others after the old lot move on. Paul Ince with Ray Mathias and Wayne Rooney with Liam Rosenior spring to mind. It's why a lot of the successful managers are so loyal to their staff.

Hard to say what influences coaches have. But, Carl Martin has been here throughout our recent poor history. Adam Lallana has been elevated above his experience and qualifications based on his name. He should be earning his stripes like Andrew Surman is. While Paul Trollope isn't really a big enough name nor does he have much big club experience, to make up for Still's shortcomings in those regards either.

Things have to get better.

[Ralph Fastenbüttl]

I just posted this in the match day thread, and think it applies here too.

Quote

 

On the one hand, I think the people calling for Still's head this early into the season are insane alarmists.

On the other hand, you look at the team and can't help but wonder what it is they're actually trying to do? We're playing with the same lack of identity we had under Mark Hughes. It honestly looks like he's just sending them out there with instructions akin to "just get stuck in, lads". Except they're not even doing that. 

What is the objective? What is the system? What is our style of play? I couldn't answer any of those questions. And I'm already exhausted by it all.

 

 

[Toussaint]

13 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

I was initially excited by Stills appointment, but after 6(!) league games I think it's pretty clear for all to see that he's not up to the task.

A shame. 

I wasn’t, I thought it ridiculous but kept my opinions to myself as others seemed so excited. I was hoping I’d missed something that others could see, but it seems after all he is just a nerd gamer.

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I thought he’d be good but that was absolutely awful

first time I’ve seen us live for a while and it was clueless. No movement up whatsoever up front with players just stood there not sure what to do, slow crap sideways passing or balls lumped forward cluelessly. 
 

I don’t want to single anyone out as they were all so crap but who on Earth is reasonable for Downs? He was absolutely dreadful.

the only bright spark for me was Azaz at least tried to make this happen but there was no movement, no one creating space, no one offering anything 

Hull were crap but still beat us easily. 3 goals conceded from high balls into the box 

Don’t often see managers turn this around, I like the guy but that was terrible. Even the saints fans were singing “we’re fucking shit” At the end 

Hope as Duck would say, the players and manager got some serious ‘clog’ from the away end in terms of pulling their fingers out.

[SaintNate]

This club must be cursed or something. 

Bloke has been abhorrent. What the hell even is his system?

No style, no intent, no energy. Just bleh. 

[Wade Garrett]

2 minutes ago, SaintNate said:

This club must be cursed or something. 

Bloke has been abhorrent. What the hell even is his system?

No style, no intent, no energy. Just bleh. 

Not cursed, just full of fucking idiots making the important decisions.

[Toussaint]

2 minutes ago, SaintNate said:

This club must be cursed or something. 

Bloke has been abhorrent. What the hell even is his system?

No style, no intent, no energy. Just bleh. 

it’s cursed by Sports Republic , that’s the source of this sabotage 

[Willo of Whiteley]

Drop Stephens, Downs, Bazunu and Harwood-Bellis. Even Roerslav sounded abysmal.

[stknowle]

59 minutes ago, Football Special said:

He's not. He's inexperienced and naive and has been schooled in every game so far. We are so so easy to play against 

Indeed. It seems all you have to be is well organised against us and he’s done. Knew nothing about the bloke, had never even heard of him before he started being mentioned as a possibility for us on here. A bit of wiki research didn’t really reveal anything to get too massively enthused about so I had severe misgivings when we appointed him, but in SR we trust and all that, lets see how it goes……..Since then one flakey win in the league, one performance and win where we actually looked decent - against Norwich reserves - and virtually nothing else. Not a hint that he knows how to counter opposition tactics, no signs that there is a plan that is not quite clicking yet, no signs there is any sort of plan. All of this is set in the context of having what is for this league immense financial backing and a squad of players that 90% of our opponents could only dream of affording. Today was easily the worst display of the season, so things are getting worse not better.

Let’s face it it ain’t looking good.

[Miltonaggro]

2 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Drop Stephens, Downs, Bazunu and Harwood-Bellis. Even Roerslav sounded abysmal.

No way William has the minerals to do that.

[ErwinK1961]

I’m sad / gutted / fed up with the whole situation. It’s just hard to see where we go from here.

6 games and a whole pre-season in and we have no style, patterns of play, or any redeeming features whatsoever. A whole week to build up to this game and we look even worse. Is it going to get any better? It’s hard to see.

I agree with @S-Clarke though - getting rid of Still isn’t going to fix this. The guy has shown in his managerial career so far that he’s not shite, but maybe this job is too big for him. 

But if we do pull the trigger then what? Whose next? Another manager who’ll be given next to no time by the fans who (rightly) are sick to death of the SR tenure. The new manager would have to get off to a flying start, which with the abject failure we have ridden through some of this squad, along with the general malaise around the club, isn’t going to happen.

It’s going to get worse before it gets better, which is a really naff thought. Any shoots of hope would be welcome, but there just isn’t any. 

[Gloucester Saint]

8 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Not cursed, just full of fucking idiots making the important decisions.

And not appointing managers who actually have a higher profile than the club who insist on getting on with the job and won’t take any crazy bullshit from owners or Chairmen - Lawrie moved himself into that category and Ronald, WGS and Poch were already there. Imposed themselves from day one even if the results took a bit longer with WGS, but come they did.

Until the club appoint a manager who will tell them what they don’t want to hear about Bazunu, Downs, Stephens, in public, and tackle the empty corporate soullessness and unwarranted complacency within the whole club environment, re-engaging our fanbase, it’s a one way trip potentially out of even the EFL or at best League 1/2 over the next decade. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Gloucester Saint

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Hope as Duck would say, the players and manager got some serious ‘clog’ from the away end in terms of pulling their fingers out.

To be fair they did. Boos at half time and full time. About 60% of our fans had gone by the final whistle but quite a lot of abuse when they came over at the end. 
 

son went down the front as he was hoping for some autographs and photos but they didn’t come close as getting a lot of abuse and rightly so

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

To be fair they did. Boos at half time and full time. About 60% of our fans had gone by the final whistle but quite a lot of abuse when they came over at the end. 
 

son went down the front as he was hoping for some autographs and photos but they didn’t come close as getting a lot of abuse and rightly so

Sorry you and your son didn’t have a better experience today - hardly encouraging for our younger fans - but at least the fans gave them both barrels. In the real world if you don’t put the work rate and organisation in, customers and suppliers let you know, so no reason the wallflowers should escape. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Gloucester Saint

[captainchris]

9 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Drop Stephens, Downs, Bazunu and Harwood-Bellis. Even Roerslav sounded abysmal.

He has been yes..

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Sorry you and your son didn’t have a better experience today - hardly encouraging for our younger fans - but at least the fans gave them both barrels. In the real world if you don’t put the work rate and organisation in, customers and suppliers let you know, so no reason the wallflowers should escape. 

He’s fine bud, like me he was calling them out for how shit they were. He does understand football very well for a 12 year old

[Football Special]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

He’s fine bud, like me he was calling them out for how shit they were. He does understand football very well for a 12 year old

Need to get him a login on here mate 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

7 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Need to get him a login on here mate 

I don't think people could handle a Mini Turkish or Turkish Jr!

Edited 1 hour ago by JohnnyShearer2.0

[Badger]

4 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Need to get him a login on here mate 

Or a part time job with the recruitment team

[CB Fry]

He's not up to it. Maybe its because his brothers aren't here but either way the job is too big for him.

The club will not be brave enough to get rid now, and either way the play offs are still viable in January whatever happens so they will wait. 

But, we've fucked it on recruitment, again.

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Edited 1 hour ago by CB Fry

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Need to get him a login on here mate 

Wouldn’t fit in with the shit some people spout 

[bugenhagen]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Wouldn’t fit in with the shit some people spout 

Unlike his old man 😉

[RedArmy]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Wouldn’t fit in with the shit some people spout 

Sounds like you’re scared he might break your laughing emoji reaction record. 

[James]

3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

He's not up to it. Maybe its because his brothers aren't here but either way the job is too big for him.

The club will not be brave enough to get rid now, and either way the play offs are still viable in January whatever happens so they will wait. 

But, we've fucked it on recruitment, again.

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Appointing Still was a gamble too far by SR. At least last time we appointed someone who had managed in England before. For me if we don’t win one of the next two games (not including the Cup) then we need to cut our losses and get someone else. We’ve been absolute dross this season and have made some very poor teams look half decent. 

[stknowle]

23 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

I’m sad / gutted / fed up with the whole situation. It’s just hard to see where we go from here.

6 games and a whole pre-season in and we have no style, patterns of play, or any redeeming features whatsoever. A whole week to build up to this game and we look even worse. Is it going to get any better? It’s hard to see.

I agree with @S-Clarke though - getting rid of Still isn’t going to fix this. The guy has shown in his managerial career so far that he’s not shite, but maybe this job is too big for him. 

But if we do pull the trigger then what? Whose next? Another manager who’ll be given next to no time by the fans who (rightly) are sick to death of the SR tenure. The new manager would have to get off to a flying start, which with the abject failure we have ridden through some of this squad, along with the general malaise around the club, isn’t going to happen.

It’s going to get worse before it gets better, which is a really naff thought. Any shoots of hope would be welcome, but there just isn’t any. 

It should not be difficult to appoint a manager who - given the resources available to us at the level we are playing in - would have us right up there in the battle for automatic promotion. Jesus Christ even Russell ‘worst start in 80 years or whatever it is for Rangers’ had us up there. Instead we try to be clever and bet the house on an inexperienced 32 year old who I am virtually certain is thinking at this very minute ‘fuck me this job’s too much for me’.

Edited 1 hour ago by stknowle

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

He's not up to it. Maybe its because his brothers aren't here but either way the job is too big for him.

The club will not be brave enough to get rid now, and either way the play offs are still viable in January whatever happens so they will wait. 

But, we've fucked it on recruitment, again.

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Sadly it’s looking that way 

Just watching it today there was zero movement up front players just stood like statues whilst we passed it sideways, at one point Manning had a chance to cross didn’t take it, cut back and  the ball went left to right 3 times I I think before we eventually gave it away, it was so frustrating. Hull just say 10 men behind the ball and waited for us to lose it or panic 

[ErwinK1961]

4 minutes ago, stknowle said:

It should not be difficult to appoint a manager who - given the resources available to us at the level we are playing in - would have us right up there in the battle for automatic promotion. Jesus Christ even Russell ‘worst start in 80 years or whatever it is for Rangers’ had us up there. Instead we try to be clever and bet the house on an inexperienced 32 year old who I am virtually certain is thinking at this very minute ‘fuck me this job’s too much for me’.

I don’t think it’s that simple with the state we’re in as a club at the moment.

[James]

Just now, ErwinK1961 said:

I don’t think it’s that simple with the state we’re in as a club at the moment.

Why not? You can’t seriously think our only option was to appoint a 32 year old that had only managed in Belgium and France. If we’d have made a serious play for Lampard (for example) I suspect he’d have been interested. Sure, a top manager might not have been available but there were other credible options that had actually managed a game in the league we play in…

[hypochondriac]

At least will can use his years of wisdom and extensive experience to steady the ship. Oh.

[Sheaf Saint]

So...

Will Will Still still be Saints manager by Christmas?

On current evidence, no no he he won't won't.

[Miltonaggro]

After that shitshow, if I were Dragan, I might be seeing if i still had Danny Rohl’s phone number this evening. 

[Miltonaggro]

Just now, Sheaf Saint said:

So...

Will Will Still still be Saints manager by Christmas?

On current evidence, no no he he won't won't.

Willy Fuck! 

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

At least will can use his years of wisdom and extensive experience to steady the ship. Oh.

I think Trollope managed in L1. Perhaps that offers some consolation and comfort. 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Sekou Mara is crap but still light years ahead of Downs. Downs is far worse than some Conference South strikers I’ve seen at Torquay Utd. 

I was shouted down for making a comment about hoping he wasn’t Mara Mk II earlier in the season. Perhaps not so wide of the mark. 

[AlexLaw76]

8 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

I don’t think it’s that simple with the state we’re in as a club at the moment.

We would be in a far better position if we hired a competent manager

[ErwinK1961]

6 minutes ago, James said:

Why not? You can’t seriously think our only option was to appoint a 32 year old that had only managed in Belgium and France. If we’d have made a serious play for Lampard (for example) I suspect he’d have been interested. Sure, a top manager might not have been available but there were other credible options that had actually managed a game in the league we play in…

No I don’t think that. If you read what I posted, you’d see that I’ve said I think the job appears too big for him.

The point I’m making is I don’t think appointing another manager miraculously fixes everything and makes us promotion candidates. The club is rotten to the core.

[stknowle]

3 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

I don’t think it’s that simple with the state we’re in as a club at the moment.

It’s not simple and tbf I didn’t say it was. It needs careful planning thought and consideration to get it right even when the cards are stacked in your favour as they are in our case in this league. I just don’t think the planks in charge, the ones who anre responsible for ‘the state we’re in as a club ant the moment’ are capable of that, I really don’t. They lurch from one fuck up to the next and here we sit week after fucking week suffering because of it.

[Miltonaggro]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

I was shouted down for making a comment about hoping he wasn’t Mara Mk II earlier in the season. Perhaps not so wide of the mark. 

He’s not Badger! Way worse! 

[benjii]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

We fucked up the spine really. We added quality in and around it on the flanks, 10's etc.

But crucially for me, and lots of others - GK, CB, ST - piss poor. Fucked it right up. Those 3 misses will make the rest null and void which is a shame as we'll never get to see the best of them.

Did we really add quality on flanks, 10 etc.? 

The new guys don't look any better than Armstrong or Aribo.