Taylor Harwood-Bellis

[Sunglasses Ron]

We just can’t do easy can we! 😬

[Lord Duckhunter]

wrong thread 

Edited Saturday at 16:24 by Lord Duckhunter

[tdmickey3]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

Unbelievable result without 2 of our stand out players. 
 

Peretz showing why he’s a top Keeper, 2 strong centre halves ( Jack has been superb since his return), full backs particularly Bree excellent. Prowse had an excellent game, and we got away with playing Jander, but he did get stronger as the game wore on.
 

Matsuki was ok, his goal moved his performance up a bit as I thought his all round play wasn’t quite at the level. Finn good again and Dobbin had his best game by a mile.

Subs all contributed in various ways, even if it was only for a minute or 2 in the City lads case.

The only disappointment was Leo, missed a couple of pretty easy chances (luckily we banged in the rebounds) and gave the ball away way too easily when we were under the cosh. Continuation of his lacklustre start to the season. 

Wrong thread mate 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

His reading of the game is not up to scratch at the moment.

Not on the bench today. Mings, who is ahead of him was only an unused sub.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Not on the bench today. Mings, who is ahead of him was only an unused sub.

Yep, not rated and not good enough. 

[LiberalCommunist]

I could see a loan move to the Hammers in Jan panning out. How shit would that be.

Felt like a strange move, going to a Villa side who never truly seemed massively invested in getting him. 

Add to that a new baby. Plus having to live in the midlands. I'd sack my agent! 

[Willo of Whiteley]

My guess is he was signed for the FFP home grown quota

[hypochondriac]

I'm sure he's content with the massive salary and reckons he will get a chance eventually. I bet there's at least a small part of him though that would love to be part of the success here.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

6 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

I could see a loan move to the Hammers in Jan panning out. How shit would that be.

Felt like a strange move, going to a Villa side who never truly seemed massively invested in getting him. 

Add to that a new baby. Plus having to live in the midlands. I'd sack my agent! 

Can't believe he had a baby with his agent 😳

[Roger]

Loan him in January to us? 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

1 hour ago, Roger said:

Loan him in January to us? 

Why? We've currently got a great partnership with Schlotterbeck and Jack Stephens and Wood who is capable as back-up. Unless injuries or a massive drop off in form from one or two players then priority will be a Larin-type back-up. Imo.

Most likely go to someone like West Ham if he drops a division.

Edited Sunday at 09:02 by TheAlehouseBrawlers

[beatlesaint]

3 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Why? We've currently got a great partnership with Schlotterbeck and Jack Stephens and Wood who is capable as back-up. Unless injuries or a massive drop off in form from one or two players then priority will be a Larin-type back-up. Imo.

Most likely go to someone like West Ham if he drops a division.

If he could be a back up centre forward as well then yeah by all means 😆

[Badger]

3 hours ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Why? We've currently got a great partnership with Schlotterbeck and Jack Stephens and Wood who is capable as back-up. Unless injuries or a massive drop off in form from one or two players then priority will be a Larin-type back-up. Imo.

Most likely go to someone like West Ham if he drops a division.

Definitely think a CF is priority but as posted on the Schlotterbeck thread;

Wouldn’t be surprised to see a CB bid relaunched in January. We tried for both Falchener and Affengrubber before bringing in Abbot, and you wonder if he has Tonda’s confidence. 

[SaintlyAnd]

16 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

I could see a loan move to the Hammers in Jan panning out. How shit would that be.

Felt like a strange move, going to a Villa side who never truly seemed massively invested in getting him. 

Add to that a new baby. Plus having to live in the midlands. I'd sack my agent! 

Isn’t there some rule about not being able to play for three teams in a season? I think he played in the cup for Villa, so he can’t go anywhere else in Jan. Guess he’s stuck getting paid loads just to train. 

[The Kraken]

6 minutes ago, Badger said:

Definitely think a CF is priority but as posted on the Schlotterbeck thread;

Wouldn’t be surprised to see a CB bid relaunched in January. We tried for both Falchener and Affengrubber before bringing in Abbot, and you wonder if he has Tonda’s confidence. 

I just wonder if the Zach Abbott loan muddies the water a little in terms of a January recruitment.  I don’t think there is a break clause for Abbott in the season long loan deal.  Maybe there is room for another CB in January, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Abbott is CB4 of 4 and that’s our lot.

Saying that, I’m hoping that we sign another striker in January to emulate the Larin / Stewart dovetail we enjoyed last season, and I think if promotion is still looking on the cards it will look more realistic, especially if Mubama fails to step up at all. Both loanees have made minimal impact but I’d imagine they’re not bargain basement wages we’re having to shell out.

[Badger]

7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I just wonder if the Zach Abbott loan muddies the water a little in terms of a January recruitment.  I don’t think there is a break clause for Abbott in the season long loan deal.  Maybe there is room for another CB in January, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Abbott is CB4 of 4 and that’s our lot.

Saying that, I’m hoping that we sign another striker in January to emulate the Larin / Stewart dovetail we enjoyed last season, and I think if promotion is still looking on the cards it will look more realistic, especially if Mubama fails to step up at all. Both loanees have made minimal impact but I’d imagine they’re not bargain basement wages we’re having to shell out.

Quite a few factors at play here, impossible to predict.

A lot will depend on how their own clubs view things. Forest/Man City loan them out for experience and if the players aren’t getting game time they may well agree to recall the player and send them somewhere else where they’re more likely to play regularly. 

[Badger]

21 minutes ago, SaintlyAnd said:

Isn’t there some rule about not being able to play for three teams in a season? I think he played in the cup for Villa, so he can’t go anywhere else in Jan. Guess he’s stuck getting paid loads just to train. 

Interesting point 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Interesting point 

Unless he comes back to us on loan. No problem then! Not sure we need him though to be honest.

[Fabrice29]

If Villa don’t think he’s up to the level yet then sending him to a lower level isn’t going to achieve that. He’ll do what happens at big clubs sometimes, made to train daily at the level required until he’s trusted on the pitch. 

Still unsure why people care though. 

Edited Sunday at 17:36 by Fabrice29

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

If Villa don’t think he’s up to the level yet then sending him to a lower level isn’t going to achieve that. He’ll do what happens at big clubs sometimes, made to train daily at the level required until he’s trusted on the pitch. 

Still unsure why people care though. 

Yeah, there's always weird people on here posting on topics they don't care about...

[Willo of Whiteley]

3 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Still unsure why people care though. 

Because he was a good player overall during his time with us, would be an asset to any Championship or low-end Premier League team, isn’t afraid to get stuck in, has become a leader.

Shall I go on?

[Fabrice29]

48 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Because he was a good player overall during his time with us, would be an asset to any Championship or low-end Premier League team, isn’t afraid to get stuck in, has become a leader.

Shall I go on?

You can go on until you explain why you care how he gets on at Villa if you like?

[maysie]

13 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

You can go on until you explain why you care how he gets on at Villa if you like?

You're an annoying little turd that will never flush.

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, maysie said:

You're an annoying little turd that will never flush.

Amen to that.

[Weston Super Saint]

18 hours ago, maysie said:

You're an annoying little turd that will never flush.

He has a point though.  THB is currently considered not good enough to get into the Villa starting line up.  Given the last club he played for was us, how is loaning him back to us suddenly going to make him good enough to get into their starting line up?

[bangkoksaint]

THB

Good enough for Burnley in The Championship but not considered good enough for the Prem

Good enough for Saints in The Championship (twice) but not good enough in the Prem

Transferred to Villa in the Prem and currently not considered good enough 

May e there’s a theme?! 

[Cuddles]

13 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

THB

Good enough for Burnley in The Championship but not considered good enough for the Prem

Good enough for Saints in The Championship (twice) but not good enough in the Prem

Transferred to Villa in the Prem and currently not considered good enough 

May e there’s a theme?! 

Villa are going down?

[gio1saints]

Some of Our highly regarded and probably best players of recent years don’t really play all that much once they leave to join a EpL club. Nor collect medals or international caps. They certainly get more wages. No secret. 

Matty Fernandes, Tyler Dibling , KWP, JWP and THB - none of them have set the EPL on fire. Even our kid in Serie A is hardly smashing down doors. 

Same with other top rated former players from the championship- piroe does not play, Hackney rarely on. It’s like Saints can sell the sizzle but rarely is the player up to it. Who knows if Leo is going to join that list if he gets poached by a Tottenham? 

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Some of Our highly regarded and probably best players of recent years don’t really play all that much once they leave to join a EpL club. Nor collect medals or international caps. They certainly get more wages. No secret. 

Matty Fernandes, Tyler Dibling , KWP, JWP and THB - none of them have set the EPL on fire. Even our kid in Serie A is hardly smashing down doors. 

Same with other top rated former players from the championship- piroe does not play, Hackney rarely on. It’s like Saints can sell the sizzle but rarely is the player up to it. Who knows if Leo is going to join that list if he gets poached by a Tottenham? 

Charles is apparently Fulham's best player tbf. 

[Saint Matty 76]

I think a lot of the names above could have quite easily been predicted by our fanbase on whether or not they'd push on. 

For example, I think we all believe Fernandes and Charles to be players who can go on to really big things in their careers. However, we have always been quite consistent in the belief that neither THB or JWP were brilliant players. Dibling was the iffy one that was quite hard to predict where his career would go, although I personally always believed Everton to be a terrible fit club-wise. 

Likewise with Scienza, good player and a good lad, but if a Premier League team suddenly picked him up I would have absolutely zero expectation of him doing well.

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

I think a lot of the names above could have quite easily been predicted by our fanbase on whether or not they'd push on. 

For example, I think we all believe Fernandes and Charles to be players who can go on to really big things in their careers. However, we have always been quite consistent in the belief that neither THB or JWP were brilliant players. Dibling was the iffy one that was quite hard to predict where his career would go, although I personally always believed Everton to be a terrible fit club-wise. 

Likewise with Scienza, good player and a good lad, but if a Premier League team suddenly picked him up I would have absolutely zero expectation of him doing well.

I think Peretz and Azaz could make it in the prem. Not sure about any of the others.

[tdmickey3]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think Peretz and Azaz could make it in the prem. Not sure about any of the others.

Lets hope we get to find out

[Saint Matty 76]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think Peretz and Azaz could make it in the prem. Not sure about any of the others.

I think Peretz for sure. Azaz surrounded by better talent and I'd also make a case for Larin if we had two much better wingers either side. 

Jander for me is a certainty and I'd also (from what the little we've seen) back Schlotterbeck with a better surrounding three. Scienza/Downes also probably get big roles when(!) we do go up this year.

Anyway, very off topic!

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

I think Peretz for sure. Azaz surrounded by better talent and I'd also make a case for Larin if we had two much better wingers either side. 

Jander for me is a certainty and I'd also (from what the little we've seen) back Schlotterbeck with a better surrounding three. Scienza/Downes also probably get big roles when(!) we do go up this year.

Anyway, very off topic!

I don't disagree. I hope we are a lot more ruthless this time around if we manage it. Some of these players should be in the squad but they shouldn't really be starters unless they can prove themselves. 

[Turkish]

16 hours ago, bangkoksaint said:

THB

Good enough for Burnley in The Championship but not considered good enough for the Prem

Good enough for Saints in The Championship (twice) but not good enough in the Prem

Transferred to Villa in the Prem and currently not considered good enough 

May e there’s a theme?! 

Well he was 20 when he played for Burnley and 22 when he played for us in the Prem, Centre backs tend to peak in their mid to late 20s, Van Dijk didn't play in the premier league until he was 24 for example, 2 years with us before getting his big move. I think he'll go on to become a decent, solid premier league player, not top 6 level but definitely to early just to write him off as not good enough.

[trousers]

Stop posting about him. We don't care FFS!!