#Spygate

[Strangely Brown]

45 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

Boro Forum in a nutshell (or nuthouse more like): Denouncing Richard Keys because he posted that our spying did not affect the outcome of the semi final, but believing what Talkshite say about their reinstatement as gospel. Mad as a box of frogs on there. 

Boro fans soon to be known as Bungalows, because there’s nothing upstairs! 😉

[Saint NL]

Hopefully Tonda did a better job than this guy when the EFL called him to ask if he knew about the spy. 

 

[PJ]

We should just say we were spying for the 2nd leg, not the first, and outside the 72hrs. Checking on any penalty shootout choices etc.

[Southner]

23 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Even Cundy's mum doesn't think him highly. 

Good kiiiiiid...

[Dman]

1 minute ago, PJ said:

We should just say we were spying for the 2nd leg, not the first, and outside the 72hrs. Checking on any penalty shootout choices etc.

I mean it wouldn't matter, we've sill clearly breached the rule.. However, if they were to use that as an example of 'sporting advantage', then yes - that might play a factor for mitigation. 

[Southner]

6 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

Pair of dicks. 

[Sevvy]

The way we played in the first half of the second leg, i think the spy must have been looking the wrong way,

Edited 2 hours ago by Sevvy

[trousers]

54 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

My question is why haven’t the other clubs reported it to the EFL?

Because there's a chance they might do 'spying' themselves too...? 

[Challenger]

1 hour ago, Doctoroncall said:

 

Southampton FC would appeal.
 

The punishment will need to reflect the rules broken given the evidence and circumstances, not regardless of the evidence.  

So the same as Leeds then plus an inflationary uplift. Be very surprised if that's all we get.

[James G]

I wonder if Banksy will install an unmoveable statue of Will Salt with binoculars in the grounds of Rockcliffe Hall

[saintant]

7 minutes ago, trousers said:

Yep, that's probably it in a nutshell.

I definitely reckon there'll be other clubs thinking "shit, we could get caught up in this next", especially if it goes to appeal and/or the scope of investigation broadens 

From what I've heard from someone who worked in this area it is rife, every club does it, all the analysts know one another and it just goes on under an unwritten law that a blind eye is turned. Not sure why Boro suddenly decided to make a big deal out of it which is one of the oddest things about the whole affair. Leads me to think Taylor got involved with his old pals at Boro to get one back at us for sacking him. May be wrong but that's all I can come up with to make any sense of it. Whole thing is bizarre. 

[danjosaint]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

From what I've heard from someone who worked in this area it is rife, every club does it, all the analysts know one another and it just goes on under an unwritten law that a blind eye is turned. Not sure why Boro suddenly decided to make a big deal out of it which is one of the oddest things about the whole affair. Leads me to think Taylor got involved with his old pals at Boro to get one back at us for sacking him. May be wrong but that's all I can come up with to make any sense of it. Whole thing is bizarre. 

Maybe its the £200m 

[Pilchards]

Anyone see during the warm up on Tuesday that Peretz goal kick practices ended up bouncing in the opposition half. This led to a Boro coach having a moan to our own coach.

Im surprised this was not filed as breaching rules with all the other shit.

[The very right reverend]

If we were only 24 hours late for videoing can't we say the lads motor broke down and he chanced his arm the following day..............................

[trousers]

54 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

Our amazing run in was mostly because we had Premier League quality players

Nah... We were told time and time again during our poor run in the first part of the season that we had a squad full of mediocre championship players, at best, that no manager on planet Earth... "Not even Pep"... Could get a tune out of...

[SNSUN]

Just now, trousers said:

Nah... We were told time and time again during our poor run in the first part of the season that we had a squad full of mediocre championship players, at best, that no manager on planet Earth... "Not even Pep"... Could get a tune out of...

Yeah but I was pissed when I wrote all that. 😁

[trousers]

43 minutes ago, Barry the Badger said:

If we have been doing it systematically, surely it can't have been as amatuer as that photo suggests this was or we'd have been caught long ago. 

Something still doesn't quite add up to me. 

One theory is, we "haven't been caught before" because other clubs do it and there's been some kind of gentleman's agreement between clubs to turn a blind eye (especially outside of the 72 hour embargo period)... And that we only got "caught" this time because Gibson / Middlesbrough decided to break ranks in an attempt to unsettle us in the playoffs. As I say, just a theory....

[James G]

Just now, trousers said:

One theory is, we "haven't been caught before" because other clubs do it and there's been some kind of gentleman's agreement between clubs to turn a blind eye (especially outside of the 72 hour embargo period)... And that we only got "caught" this time because Gibson / Middlesbrough decided to break ranks in an attempt to unsettle us in the playoffs. As I say, just a theory....

Any theories are good

It's interesting that Salt wasn't in the two recent photos for manager of the month. It's interesting that two profiles were removed from LinkedIn. It's also interesting that Tonda seemed really keen to talk about it but couldn't 

There's more to it for sure

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

2 minutes ago, trousers said:

One theory is, we "haven't been caught before" because other clubs do it and there's been some kind of gentleman's agreement between clubs to turn a blind eye (especially outside of the 72 hour embargo period)... And that we only got "caught" this time because Gibson / Middlesbrough decided to break ranks in an attempt to unsettle us in the playoffs. As I say, just a theory....

Exactly. And essentially confirmed by Nicky Butt (a former (current? No idea) part-owner of an EFL club).

 

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, SNSUN said:

IMO: Our amazing run in was mostly because we had Premier League quality players still in our line up being played in their best positions.

Sounds like you trying to say that William Salt advised Eckert to switch to 4 at the back and sign a proper GK, and that it is infact Salt that is responsible for saving the season? 😅.

Or maybe we sacked this Middlesborough scab analyst Taylor in January, and immediatley we turned the season around. And then not content at being sacked for being shit, he's decided to try and stitch us up with Boro. Certainly fishy that he's the one involved in all this from a "whistle blower" standpoint.

[LegalEagle]

2 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Sounds like you trying to say that William Salt advised Eckert to switch to 4 at the back and sign a proper GK, and that it is infact Salt that is responsible for saving the season? 😅.

Or maybe we sacked this Middlesborough scab analyst Taylor in January, and immediatley we turned the season around. And then not content at being sacked for being shit, he's decided to try and stitch us up with Boro. Certainly fishy that he's the one involved in all this from a "whistle blower" standpoint.

In a court of law less weight would be given to his evidence as a result of his sacking and his previous connections with Boro. Can’t see why the tribunal will treat it any differently here.

[Dark Munster]

16 hours ago, obelisk said:

Maybe the EFL need to get a grip on the fact that making up flimsy rules about what or what isn't allowed is pretty brainless if there's no stipulation of what the penalties might be if anyone were to break them.

Carry on along this path and somebody will end up bankrupting the league in a proper court.

This is very good point. If the rules stipulated points deduction or being kicked out of the playoffs no club would think of sending spies to training grounds even close to the 72 hour window. 

[Gloucester Saint]

James Cordon turns his focus from Spygate onto nerves about his own club’s make or break fixture to avoid relegation at Newcastle. Which he’s overcoming through fine dining.

 

[coalman]

Just now, LegalEagle said:

In a court of law less weight would be given to his evidence as a result of his sacking and his previous connections with Boro. Can’t see why the tribunal will treat it any differently here.

Surely it depends on what his evidence is. I can see that being the case for witness statements but if he still has emails or anything like that it'd be a different matter.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

I'm bloody sure most of these twats - yes inc James fkin Corden - definitely dont understand that bit.

I never liked that obese spunk bubble in the first place but hearing him spouting off about how weve cheated and should give Boro half our income next year has just heighted my distain for the lump of fuck

[LegalEagle]

1 minute ago, coalman said:

Surely it depends on what his evidence is. I can see that being the case for witness statements but if he still has emails or anything like that it'd be a different matter.

If you mean emails from his time at Saints they will amount to confidential information. Saints would seek to exclude emails obtained as a result of a breach of contract and therefore obtained and disclosed illegally. Depends on how the tribunal view such evidence - you cannot unsee something.

[Sheaf Saint]

4 minutes ago, coalman said:

Surely it depends on what his evidence is. I can see that being the case for witness statements but if he still has emails or anything like that it'd be a different matter.

As has been said before, it could well be inadmissible. If all we are being charged over is the Boro incident, and this guy was sacked 4 months earlier, then there's no evidence he could possibly provide that's relevant to the specific charge.

[trousers]

52 minutes ago, DH93 said:

Interesting to see if anything drops this afternoon as seemingly the committee is meeting today. Can confirm Coventry did not supply any evidence of us spying on them so that’s another ticked off 

## Interesting first post having been registered for 3 years klaxon ##

P.s. source? 

[Zorba]

[skintsaint]

 

😅

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

 

😅

Is this the same guy in that infamous picture holding his season ticket while pulling a compo face?

[Teamsaint1]

1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

 

😅

How do you “ cancel a request “ for tickets ? 
you either buy them or you don’t ? 

[LiberalCommunist]

I've not refreshed a page this hard since the signing of Jay Rod. 

 

I'm out. The EFL & Boro can do one after this shit though. I will remind myself to laugh when the next turbulence hits. 

Edited 2 hours ago by LiberalCommunist

[trousers]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I never liked that obese spunk bubble in the first place but hearing him spouting off about how weve cheated and should give Boro half our income next year has just heighted my distain for the lump of fuck

Not a fan then?

[coalman]

The current story doing the rounds on the Boro forum is someone's mate works for a company that sponsors the EFL and the EFL has to let them know what's happening and this guy is privy to all the emails flying around. The EFL have told them if found guilty the only two options are Boro win the tie 3-0 or Saints forfeit the final. Either way we get kicked out. There's meant to be a voice recording of this transcript.

The Boro players were told this after the game and Hellberg knew before the game. The Saints players were also told this which is why our dressing room was silent after the game.

https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/breaking-news.81160/post-2193812

So it's official we are getting kicked out and it was decided before the second leg. Guess it's time to pack up our bags for the summer holidays.

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

 

😅

what a drip

[Dman]

1 minute ago, coalman said:

The current story doing the rounds on the Boro forum is someone's mate works for a company that sponsors the EFL and the EFL has to let them know what's happening and this guy is privy to all the emails flying around. The EFL have told them if found guilty the only two options are Boro win the tie 3-0 or Saints forfeit the final. Either way we get kicked out. There's meant to be a voice recording of this transcript.

The Boro players were told this after the game and Hellberg knew before the game. The Saints players were also told this which is why our dressing room was silent after the game.

https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/breaking-news.81160/post-2193812

So it's official we are getting kicked out and it was decided before the second leg. Guess it's time to pack up our bags for the summer holidays.

Genuinely reckon its all just a big wind up from them at this stage. Fair play to them though, they have me rattled. 

[Sheaf Saint]

2 minutes ago, trousers said:

Not a fan then?

Corden is about as funny as getting up in the night to go to the loo and standing on a piece of Lego. 

[SNSUN]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I never liked that obese spunk bubble in the first place but hearing him spouting off about how weve cheated and should give Boro half our income next year has just heighted my distain for the lump of fuck

His precious team will be joining Boro next season anyway.

[coalman]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

Genuinely reckon its all just a big wind up from them at this stage. Fair play to them though, they have me rattled. 

Yeah. I've never seen a team so desperate to win the game off the football pitch.

[trousers]

2 minutes ago, coalman said:

The current story doing the rounds on the Boro forum is someone's mate works for a company that sponsors the EFL and the EFL has to let them know what's happening and this guy is privy to all the emails flying around. The EFL have told them if found guilty the only two options are Boro win the tie 3-0 or Saints forfeit the final. Either way we get kicked out. There's meant to be a voice recording of this transcript.

The Boro players were told this after the game and Hellberg knew before the game. The Saints players were also told this which is why our dressing room was silent after the game.

https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/breaking-news.81160/post-2193812

So it's official we are getting kicked out and it was decided before the second leg. Guess it's time to pack up our bags for the summer holidays.

 

[Give it to Ron]

7 minutes ago, coalman said:

The current story doing the rounds on the Boro forum is someone's mate works for a company that sponsors the EFL and the EFL has to let them know what's happening and this guy is privy to all the emails flying around. The EFL have told them if found guilty the only two options are Boro win the tie 3-0 or Saints forfeit the final. Either way we get kicked out. There's meant to be a voice recording of this transcript.

The Boro players were told this after the game and Hellberg knew before the game. The Saints players were also told this which is why our dressing room was silent after the game.

https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/breaking-news.81160/post-2193812

So it's official we are getting kicked out and it was decided before the second leg. Guess it's time to pack up our bags for the summer holidays.

Why 3-0 why not 5/6/7 did they miss TikTok our players dancing and singing Wembley again ole ole

Edited 2 hours ago by Give it to Ron

[coalman]

Just now, Give it to Ron said:

Why 3-0 why not 5/6/7 

3-0 is the standard score if a game is forfeit as Boro would know after they didn't show up for a game in the EPL.

[Turkish]

 

woke has a different view 😂

[Patrick Bateman]

7 minutes ago, coalman said:

The current story doing the rounds on the Boro forum is someone's mate works for a company that sponsors the EFL and the EFL has to let them know what's happening and this guy is privy to all the emails flying around. The EFL have told them if found guilty the only two options are Boro win the tie 3-0 or Saints forfeit the final. Either way we get kicked out. There's meant to be a voice recording of this transcript.

The Boro players were told this after the game and Hellberg knew before the game. The Saints players were also told this which is why our dressing room was silent after the game.

https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/breaking-news.81160/post-2193812

So it's official we are getting kicked out and it was decided before the second leg. Guess it's time to pack up our bags for the summer holidays.

A silent disco ... 

[RedArmy]

6 minutes ago, coalman said:

 

The Boro players were told this after the game and Hellberg knew before the game. The Saints players were also told this which is why our dressing room was silent after the game.

 

What is this myth that our tunnel and dressing was room was quiet after the game? 
 

They do know we have a social media department and release the videos of the celebrations right? 

[sockeye]

Just now, coalman said:

3-0 is the standard score if a game is forfeit as Boro would know after they didn't show up for a game in the EPL.

How can we know Boro would have shown up to the semi-final if there were no charges against us?  

[SNSUN]

7 minutes ago, coalman said:

The current story doing the rounds on the Boro forum is someone's mate works for a company that sponsors the EFL and the EFL has to let them know what's happening and this guy is privy to all the emails flying around. The EFL have told them if found guilty the only two options are Boro win the tie 3-0 or Saints forfeit the final. Either way we get kicked out. There's meant to be a voice recording of this transcript.

The Boro players were told this after the game and Hellberg knew before the game. The Saints players were also told this which is why our dressing room was silent after the game.

https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/breaking-news.81160/post-2193812

So it's official we are getting kicked out and it was decided before the second leg. Guess it's time to pack up our bags for the summer holidays.

"Silent after the game" were we...

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18rZWtprDu/

[SNSUN]

1 minute ago, Patrick Bateman said:

A silent disco ... 

HA you beat me by one minute!

[Give it to Ron]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

 

woke has a different view 😂

Plus there is no appeal for Gibson