hypochondriac Posted yesterday at 18:49 Posted yesterday at 18:49 1 hour ago, revolution saint said: He might end up staying at West Ham simply because no one will meet whatever valuation they put on him and/or come close to his wage demands. He’s only got a year left so he’ll probably be quite cheap but shifting players after relegation isn’t always easy. He won't play a minute at West ham because nuno doesn't want him. At worst he will get a loan away.
hypochondriac Posted yesterday at 18:51 Posted yesterday at 18:51 2 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: He sort of did, he referred to being willing to accept the right offer for players who have been here a while but really wasn’t interested in selling players at the start of their journey here. I don't think the conclusion you can draw from his quotes is that we wouldn't be selling them. What he said is that clubs would have to pay a higher price for their services.
woodsaint1 Posted yesterday at 18:53 Posted yesterday at 18:53 4 hours ago, hypochondriac said: I saw a suggestion that Charles and Jander could go to be replaced by JWP and Neil. Would people be happy with that? I think we have to cut our cloth and sell people. If the sales were Charles, THB and Jander (along with archer and bbd) you'd think we could make at least 80 million from that lot. we then manage to keep Downes, Scienza and Azaz I could probably live with that. Peretz Bree/Roeslev Stephens/quarshie new signing/Wood Manning/Wellington Fellows/Matsuki Downes/Neil Jwp/Bragg Scienza/Edozie Azaz/new signing Larin/ new signing Assuming the players we sign are solid you'd have to say that's a pretty decent championship team. Maybe three signings after Neil. Maybe 15-20 million for those? 60 million profit is about what we were told we needed right? You've forgot about Ramsdale. Sell him for 20m+ then we can keep Jander 1
hypochondriac Posted yesterday at 18:59 Posted yesterday at 18:59 6 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: You've forgot about Ramsdale. Sell him for 20m+ then we can keep Jander We won't be selling Ramsdale for that amount. Expect we will end up loaning him out again. 1
revolution saint Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: He won't play a minute at West ham because nuno doesn't want him. At worst he will get a loan away. I love definitive posts like this when you have no idea what will actually happen. I’m sure West Ham will want to shift him on but whether they can is another matter. Odds are he probably will go but I wouldn’t be as certain as you are.
hypochondriac Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago (edited) 9 minutes ago, revolution saint said: I love definitive posts like this when you have no idea what will actually happen. I’m sure West Ham will want to shift him on but whether they can is another matter. Odds are he probably will go but I wouldn’t be as certain as you are. Really not difficult to come to that conclusion is it. He is obviously going to leave whether a transfer or on loan this summer. There's about ten other sources at various times in the last six months. Edited 23 hours ago by hypochondriac
Matthew Le God Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: He won't play a minute at West ham because nuno doesn't want him. At worst he will get a loan away. 16 minutes ago, revolution saint said: I love definitive posts like this when you have no idea what will actually happen. I’m sure West Ham will want to shift him on but whether they can is another matter. Haven't you done what you accused @hypochondriac of doing? 🤔 1
MarkSFC Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago I can only see Ramsdale going to Leeds or Ipswich. Darlow (Leeds) is 35 and zi think Ipswichs group are not particularly the best. Coventry will presumably look to make Rushworth permanent or another loan, and Hull probably wouldn't spend the money on AR given they have a Croatian international GK (even though hes not yet started a game for Croatia I dont think). All other EPL options will only see AR as a back-up option. Maybe there could be an overseas option but we might not see much money for him.
Charlie Wayman Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago (edited) 6 hours ago, OldNick said: I never sawwhat the fuss was about him as he annoyed me with his safe sideways and back passing, ok he could take a free kick and a corner but IMHO his corners came in with such velocity it was hard for anybody to time the run Nor me. Edited 23 hours ago by Charlie Wayman 1
Charlie Wayman Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 10 minutes ago, MarkSFC said: I can only see Ramsdale going to Leeds or Ipswich. Darlow (Leeds) is 35 and zi think Ipswichs group are not particularly the best. Coventry will presumably look to make Rushworth permanent or another loan, and Hull probably wouldn't spend the money on AR given they have a Croatian international GK (even though hes not yet started a game for Croatia I dont think). All other EPL options will only see AR as a back-up option. Maybe there could be an overseas option but we might not see much money for him. Much too gloomy. He's a good player and will get a better club than you fear. Bournemouth might take him back and even Villa as a back-up
hypochondriac Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago Good news this if true. Should net us 25 million which is more than I expected to get. 4
LiberalCommunist Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Not being mugged on the first offer is heartening. 2
Gloucester Saint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 1 minute ago, LiberalCommunist said: Not being mugged on the first offer is heartening. Sends a message on THB as well. 1
revolution saint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 49 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Haven't you done what you accused @hypochondriac of doing? 🤔 Yeah, I guess it could be interpreted like that so for your benefit, it should probably be “it’s likely West Ham will want to shift him on”
revolution saint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: Really not difficult to come to that conclusion is it. He is obviously going to leave whether a transfer or on loan this summer. There's about ten other sources at various times in the last six months. Finances though innit? Not really disputing that West Ham will want to shift him (“probably” for the benefit of the anally retentive MLG) but if no one meets their demands then they may have no option. It’s not unrealistic or uncommon for that to happen. Anyway, bored of this, crack on, it’s really not a big deal or that complicated to understand
hypochondriac Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 14 minutes ago, revolution saint said: Finances though innit? Not really disputing that West Ham will want to shift him (“probably” for the benefit of the anally retentive MLG) but if no one meets their demands then they may have no option. It’s not unrealistic or uncommon for that to happen. Anyway, bored of this, crack on, it’s really not a big deal or that complicated to understand Of course they will. If that happens they will do what we have done countless times. He will go on loan with West ham paying a percentage of his wages. Edited 22 hours ago by hypochondriac
revolution saint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Of course they will. If that happens they will do what we have done countless times. He will go on loan with West ham paying a percentage of his wages. We didn’t with either Edozie or Aribo last season. Aribo obviously did in January but we wanted shot in the summer. Bella Kotchap similarly the season before that.
hypochondriac Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 8 minutes ago, revolution saint said: We didn’t with either Edozie or Aribo last season. Aribo obviously did in January but we wanted shot in the summer. Bella Kotchap similarly the season before that. No idea what happened with Edozie but it sounded like we had something lined up but it fell through. We did with Sugawara, Onuachu before that, lyanco, perraud, djenepo, caleta-car and then Alcaraz in the January. Obviously we did it with Ramsdale last season (although as it was a Prem loan we didn't pay any wages) as well as smallbone, Larios and then Downs. Edited 22 hours ago by hypochondriac
revolution saint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Just now, hypochondriac said: No idea what happened with Edozie but it sounded like we had something lined up but it fell through. We did with Sugawara, Onuachu before that, lyanco, perraud, djenepo, caleta-car and then Alcaraz in the January. Obviously we did it with Ramsdale last season as well, smallbone, Larios and then Downs. Exactly, we did it with some but not all. Fuck me, took you a while to get there but well done.
hypochondriac Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 6 minutes ago, revolution saint said: Exactly, we did it with some but not all. Fuck me, took you a while to get there but well done. Bored of your pedantry. When James ward prowse isn't at West Ham at the end of the window we can revisit the conversation. 1
woodsaint1 Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, hypochondriac said: We won't be selling Ramsdale for that amount. Expect we will end up loaning him out again. Why not, he done ok at Newcastle and could be a starter for a few PL teams. No incentive for the club to loan him again and his value depreciate futher. Best to sell him, especially now we've got Peretz and £20m would be the going rate for a keeper with significant PL experience. Hes only 28 too Edited 21 hours ago by woodsaint1
saintant Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Cuddles said: Have we signed JWP yet? Fortunately not. 3
hypochondriac Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 4 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: Why not, he done ok at Newcastle and would be a starter for quite a few PL teams. No incentive for the club to loan him again and his value depreciate futher. Best to sell him, especially now we've got Peretz and £20m would be the going rate for a keeper with significant PL experience. Hes only 28 too Why would someone pay 20 million for a keeper that we very clearly do not want and actually need to get rid of?
revolution saint Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 21 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Bored of your pedantry. When James ward prowse isn't at West Ham at the end of the window we can revisit the conversation. Aribo was in the exact same situation as JWP, last year of his contract and not going to move unless it suited him so it’s not really pedantry but a factor that doesn’t suit your argument. For what it’s worth, I think he probably will leave, it was you that doesn’t even entertain the idea that he might stay. 2 1
woodsaint1 Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Why would someone pay 20 million for a keeper that we very clearly do not want and actually need to get rid of? Because he has nearly 200 PL appearances, was the Arsenal number 1 and an England international for a while. Yes clubs will know we're looking rid and will try to haggle us down, but hes a very good keeper and there is a need for that. Understand us loaning him last season as he could have come back into fold had we got promoted. But now we've Peretz, it makes no sense to agree to any loan. Need to sell, even if that means we only get 15m 2
Oldandtired Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 34 minutes ago, Cuddles said: Have we signed JWP yet? PleaseGodNONONONONO🙏 2 1
Saint Neil Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 8 hours ago, Cuddles said: Have we signed JWP yet? Yeah years ago. 2
Kenilworthy1959 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 10 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said: Sends a message on THB as well. All bids have to be framed within the insane concept that the ordinary Anderson is worth £119 million 2
CB Fry Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 10 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said: Not being mugged on the first offer is heartening. If we get £30m for Shea Charles then a mugging has very much taken place. 1
HKsaint Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago JWP’s contract with Hammers will expire in 2027, that means a loan move will become permanent next year.
Cuddles Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 18 minutes ago, HKsaint said: JWP’s contract with Hammers will expire in 2027, that means a loan move will become permanent next year. Only if he agrees to stay. Might get a better offer elsewhere as a free agent. 1
Baird of the land Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 11 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Good news this if true. Should net us 25 million which is more than I expected to get. Hopefully we keep rejecting and they go off elsewhere
CB Fry Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 32 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Hopefully we keep rejecting and they go off elsewhere We are going to sell him. Get used to it. 1
OldNick Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 15 hours ago, Saint NL said: Sounds like Fatawu is leaving Leicester to join West Ham. A brilliant signing, a classic WHU player very flashy but often a dud 1
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 10 hours ago, Oldandtired said: PleaseGodNONONONONO🙏 8 hours ago, St. Ciervo said: Could/would/should we take JWP on loan? He's a solid if unspectacular upper league player. He plays the way that he's told to play. He would be a very useful addition but it all depends on what attributes our manager decides that he needs. Who else have you got? 2
egg Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 16 minutes ago, CB Fry said: We are going to sell him. Get used to it. Indeed. I'm not sure why people would prefer him to be allowed to run down his contract and walk on a free. We'll want to cash in, and he'll want a crack at the PL. Win/win. 4
hypochondriac Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 17 minutes ago, CB Fry said: We are going to sell him. Get used to it. And for 30 million we'd be stupid not to 3
OldNick Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, CB Fry said: If we get £30m for Shea Charles then a mugging has very much taken place. Im surprised that you hold that position, you usually can see the better quality players, Charles IMO will go on to be a very good player. Put him with other PL players and he will grow. Time will tell and no doubt you will point out to me if he fails 1
OldNick Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: He's a solid if unspectacular upper league player. He plays the way that he's told to play. He would be a very useful addition but it all depends on what attributes our manager decides that he needs. Who else have you got? What would the dressing room dynamics be? this needs to be taken into account if we get him back. Jack is a major figure and would he be happy to take a back seat and potentially lose his captaincy. Add to that other players who were with us when we went down and he scuttled off may resent him . As for others out there I mentioned James Justin who was superb for Leicester and scored goals. There will be gems out there that Spors may well pluck from Europe
Dan Johnson Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 18 minutes ago, OldNick said: A brilliant signing, a classic WHU player very flashy but often a dud Tore us a new one when we were 2-0 up in the premier league and lost 3-2 to them. He's only 22 and got 9 goals and 8 Assists last season, in a poor Leicester side. Very good signing for them, probably a Bowen replacement though so take some hope from that. 2
egg Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 15 minutes ago, OldNick said: Im surprised that you hold that position, you usually can see the better quality players, Charles IMO will go on to be a very good player. Put him with other PL players and he will grow. Time will tell and no doubt you will point out to me if he fails He's got a year on his contract. £30m in that context is a mugging. As for his ability, I think he'll be a solid lower PL player, in time 1
CB Fry Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 14 minutes ago, OldNick said: Im surprised that you hold that position, you usually can see the better quality players, Charles IMO will go on to be a very good player. Put him with other PL players and he will grow. Time will tell and no doubt you will point out to me if he fails Not sure what any of that has got to do with anything. £30m for a player with zero Prem experience is the top end of what we could hope to get (and I doubt we will get that anyway). High twenties and all good, we will take it. If its 30 hats off to Solak. Don't really care if ge succeeds or fails once he isn't our player. If he wins the Ballon D'Or or does his cruciate in September and never plays again it makes no difference to the value of the fee we get in Summer 2026. 2
hypochondriac Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 15 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Not sure what any of that has got to do with anything. £30m for a player with zero Prem experience is the top end of what we could hope to get (and I doubt we will get that anyway). High twenties and all good, we will take it. If its 30 hats off to Solak. Don't really care if ge succeeds or fails once he isn't our player. If he wins the Ballon D'Or or does his cruciate in September and never plays again it makes no difference to the value of the fee we get in Summer 2026. Also the fact he's in the last year of his contract. Like you say it's the highest we could realistically get. 2
Fabrice29 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 38 minutes ago, OldNick said: What would the dressing room dynamics be? this needs to be taken into account if we get him back. Jack is a major figure and would he be happy to take a back seat and potentially lose his captaincy. Add to that other players who were with us when we went down and he scuttled off may resent him . As for others out there I mentioned James Justin who was superb for Leicester and scored goals. There will be gems out there that Spors may well pluck from Europe James Justin the Leeds fullback?
Charlie Wayman Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 11 hours ago, Cuddles said: Have we signed JWP yet? I know it's a joke and I will lead the chorus of "He's not wanted here!" On the other hand, there's a broader issue for older players on high salaries as we have seen with Sterling. These people may hold out for what they see as their worth in the marketplace but like all goods they are only worth what people will be prepared to pay for them. These days money for most is tight and so when the time comes to spend, it will be spent wisely. In terms of players likely considerations will be "Is the player a game changer?"; "Can we get 2/3 seasons out of him?"; "Can we sell him on in the market for a profit?" "What's his injury record, how reliable will he be?"; " How flexible is the player, or Is he too set in his ways to be coached into a different style of play?" In JWP's case, very few of those boxes can be ticked and his future will be bleak if WHU discard him. One suspects his future offers might come from lower Championship sides or abroad in tha US, Middle East or a lesser European league. I'm not sure that would suit him at all, he seems like a home boy to me. As far as we are concerned, the days of "one of our own" sentimentality are surely behind us after the debacles of Theo, Adam and Oriol. We don't need and won't make that mistake again 4
Katalinic Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 21 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Also the fact he's in the last year of his contract. Like you say it's the highest we could realistically get. We have an option to extend for a year so technically two. 2
MarkSFC Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago I can only see Ramsdale going to Leeds or Ipswich. Darlow (Leeds) is 35 and zi think Ipswichs group are not particularly the best. Coventry will presumably look to make Rushworth permanent or another loan, and Hull probably wouldn't spend the money on AR given they have a Croatian international GK (even though hes not yet started a game for Croatia I dont think). All other EPL options will only see AR as a back-up option. Maybe there could be an overseas option but we might not see much money for him. As for JWP I think he could be a decent loan option. Ive always thoight he is better as a more attacking CM snd perhaps he can be the perfect understudy for Azaz, whilst also offering defensive options/cover and obviously deadball skill. As a sub he would be a decent option. Dan Neil as well, plus 30m for Charles would be very good business. Downes, Jander, Bragg, Neil, JWP, Azaz are a very good group of CMs for the Championship. Presumably THB will leave and so the money from his sale, AR, and Charles should mean theres enough to buy a decent striker too. After that, without any more departures we would look very strong I think.
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