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2 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

While i appreciate what you are saying it's still no different from me saying absolute shit but defending myself by saying i'm only circulating other peoples shit!

You think the Athletic journalists just make things up? Or the Daily Echo? Or the BBC? Sure some journalists do, but you earlier said everything SaintsExtra reports is bullshit. Which is demonstrably nonsense. 

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6 minutes ago, James said:

Losing THB this late in the window will be a real sickener but if we get £30m then that is impossible for a championship club to refuse in reality. Bit disappointed in our transfer business this summer, especially after what happened at the end of last season and Dragan’s promises. We are unquestionably weaker than last year (Stewart, Charles and THB will collectively be a big loss), are starting on -4 and will inevitably have to deal with some kind of Tonda ban/situation in mid-September. Frustrating.

Nah we signed his replacement 2 years ago from our sister club in France. He’s had two years training, playing and developing with us for this very moment when he can step up and justify his 5m fee

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Just now, beatlesaint said:

whatever, you are always correct so no point even arguing. Have a lovely day !!

More to the point it isn't worth arguing if I respond to a post of yours and you think that post is a response to an entirely different post!

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I’ll post an unpopular opinion. I’m not that bothered about losing THB. I’d rather keep him but I’m not sure he’s quite as talismanic as most people do. Thought he was quite poor in the premier league (although pretty much all the players were) and he’s got gaps in his game from a defensive point of view, probably because he lacks a bit of pace. Distribution would be a loss mind.  If we’re looking at the Feyenord lad or similar quality then I think we’ll cope.

I don’t think THB is terrible, he’s very good at this level and he seems to be a bit of a leader. Just don’t think it’ll be the end of hopes of promotion.

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Not only is he a good defender, but he's also one of the top leaders at the club. See Jordan Henderson this summer for how valued that is these days. Also is our main threat from attacking set pieces and last season became a big part of how we played under Eckert with his diagonal balls from the defence into the midfield. Would be a massive, disappointing loss.

At this moment in time, we've got one of the best goalkeepers with Peretz in the league, one of the best centre-backs with THB, one of the best midfielders with Jander, one of the best 10s with Azaz and one of the best strikers with Larin. That's the spine of the team currently supported by some top wide players and we need it if we are going for the league title, which has been suggested by those at the club all summer.

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2 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

I’ll post an unpopular opinion. I’m not that bothered about losing THB. I’d rather keep him but I’m not sure he’s quite as talismanic as most people do. Thought he was quite poor in the premier league (although pretty much all the players were) and he’s got gaps in his game from a defensive point of view, probably because he lacks a bit of pace. Distribution would be a loss mind.  If we’re looking at the Feyenord lad or similar quality then I think we’ll cope.

I don’t think THB is terrible, he’s very good at this level and he seems to be a bit of a leader. Just don’t think it’ll be the end of hopes of promotion.

I don't agree I think he's a big loss but I suppose the main positive if he does go is that we will have known he would be going this summer for a along time so you would hope we would be able to move quickly to bring in a replacement. We will have to because we don't want to be relying on Quarshie, wood, Stephens and kai Sanda for long periods of time.

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40 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

SaintsExtra isn't making it up, he does not make things up he just collects stories and circulates them. He is reporting what journalists like David Ornstein of The Athletic have said. 

I suggest you read my post carefully.

I never insinuated that the page makes things up. I said how purely recirculating the same shit from sources both trusted untrusted adds fuel to the fire and makes gullible muppets believe that is must be true; when so often it’s just one journo jumping on the bandwagon of another.

You don’t need to repost effectively the same inadequate information hour after hour.

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Just now, Badger said:

I thought Sheff Utd were said to be cash strapped this year and struggling.

Genuinely not sure how the likes of stoke and Swansea have been able to spend some serious cash this summer. I know we have a higher wage bill and have had to sell Charles for example but surely we don't have the same pressing need now?

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3 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I suggest you read my post carefully.

I never insinuated that the page makes things up. I said how purely recirculating the same shit from sources both trusted untrusted adds fuel to the fire and makes gullible muppets believe that is must be true; when so often it’s just one journo jumping on the bandwagon of another.

You don’t need to repost effectively the same inadequate information hour after hour.

It's become an industry. You just have to look at FootballMartin's content to see how fans elevate themselves into being the font of all knowledge. That's the internet for you I guess. I remember when the only place to get your Saints info was on the back page of the Echo when it came out about 3pm.

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I might actually give this thread a rest until the window has shut.

Can’t be dealing with pedantic prat’s putting words in my mouth about my own opinions. Or people throwing their toys out the pram at something that effectively hasn’t happened and is unlikely to happen unless serious money is quoted.

An absolute waste of time getting wound up by this.

The season starts this weekend, people should be getting pumped for that!

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Just now, Fitzhugh Fella said:

It's become an industry. You just have to look at FootballMartin's content to see how fans elevate themselves into being the font of all knowledge. That's the internet for you I guess. I remember when the only place to get your Saints info was on the back page of the Echo when it came out about 3pm.

Take me back to those times!

All about click bait now and how many likes you can get.

 

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Just now, Willo of Whiteley said:

I might actually give this thread a rest until the window has shut.

Can’t be dealing with pedantic prat’s putting words in my mouth about my own opinions. Or people throwing their toys out the pram at something that effectively hasn’t happened and is unlikely to happen unless serious money is quoted.

An absolute waste of time getting wound up by this.

The season starts this weekend, people should be getting pumped for that!

Good to see you not getting worked up.

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2 hours ago, Pilchards said:

It’s not going away the THB rumours that’s for sure.

I’m sorry but selling him will be our chances of promotion.

The first half versus Colchester the back four were terrible, Peretz and THB were the only ones stopping us conceding 3 goals.

Colchester?!?
Think how most of the championship will carve us in half without our main CB.

 

Really?  THB's distribution first half was terrible!

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3 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

It's become an industry. You just have to look at FootballMartin's content to see how fans elevate themselves into being the font of all knowledge. That's the internet for you I guess. I remember when the only place to get your Saints info was on the back page of the Echo when it came out about 3pm.

TBF to football Martin he frequently says on his streams that he doesn't really know more than the average fan. Others may portray him that way but I haven't seen anywhere where he has done that.

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I cannot see a situation where THB ends up at Benfica. The club have been steadfast on player valuations and they simply could not afford the fee we'd demand.

Interest is clearly genuine but backing it up financially isn't going to happen. If THB leaves it will be to the PL

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A hopefully balanced view:

- I believe we have been targeting bringing in £70 million this summer based on loss of revenue.  We already have over half that bagged through Charles and Fernandes sell-on.  It is going to be hard to generate the other half of that without selling one of THB, Jander or Scienza.  Ramsdale value has fallen, Sugawara, BBD and others like Edozie will not touch the sides.  And many on here still want a replacement for Charles brought in.

- If we sell THB I don’t want to sell him to West Ham or any other direct rival.  Benicia are a massive club in their country, managed by Silva, and it gives the player Champions League football.  So it’s perfectly possible he hasn’t been “pushing for a move” but then this arrives,  what would you do?

- I thought Wood was excellent in the final months of the season including cup games against top class opposition.  I am fine with him and Stephens starting, Quarshie improved and clearly we will bring in a replacement.  So I’d rather keep THB but anyone shouting needs to come up with the extra £30 million solution.

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2 minutes ago, Forester said:

A hopefully balanced view:

- I believe we have been targeting bringing in £70 million this summer based on loss of revenue.  We already have over half that bagged through Charles and Fernandes sell-on.  It is going to be hard to generate the other half of that without selling one of THB, Jander or Scienza.  Ramsdale value has fallen, Sugawara, BBD and others like Edozie will not touch the sides.  And many on here still want a replacement for Charles brought in.

- If we sell THB I don’t want to sell him to West Ham or any other direct rival.  Benicia are a massive club in their country, managed by Silva, and it gives the player Champions League football.  So it’s perfectly possible he hasn’t been “pushing for a move” but then this arrives,  what would you do?

- I thought Wood was excellent in the final months of the season including cup games against top class opposition.  I am fine with him and Stephens starting, Quarshie improved and clearly we will bring in a replacement.  So I’d rather keep THB but anyone shouting needs to come up with the extra £30 million solution.

Selling Ramsdale, Sugawara, BBD, Edozie and Baz should generate £30m, if it didn't then we would of done poorly in negotiations 

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10 minutes ago, Forester said:

A hopefully balanced view:

- I believe we have been targeting bringing in £70 million this summer based on loss of revenue.  We already have over half that bagged through Charles and Fernandes sell-on.  It is going to be hard to generate the other half of that without selling one of THB, Jander or Scienza.  Ramsdale value has fallen, Sugawara, BBD and others like Edozie will not touch the sides.  And many on here still want a replacement for Charles brought in.

- If we sell THB I don’t want to sell him to West Ham or any other direct rival.  Benicia are a massive club in their country, managed by Silva, and it gives the player Champions League football.  So it’s perfectly possible he hasn’t been “pushing for a move” but then this arrives,  what would you do?

- I thought Wood was excellent in the final months of the season including cup games against top class opposition.  I am fine with him and Stephens starting, Quarshie improved and clearly we will bring in a replacement.  So I’d rather keep THB but anyone shouting needs to come up with the extra £30 million solution.

That's the first I've heard that we needed to make 70 million this season. Let's not forget Adam Armstrong going in January which was also about 7 I believe. Sugawara, bbd and Edozie we should get at least 10 million for if we can agree sales and not loans. Archer and Bazunu too we should get at least 15-20 for them all.

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1 minute ago, Saint Scott said:

Selling Ramsdale, Sugawara, BBD, Edozie and Baz should generate £30m, if it didn't then we would of done poorly in negotiations 

Doubt it, pretty much all were available to buy last summer and we couldn’t shift them then, if anything it’ll be harder to sell them for decent cash now.

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5 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Selling Ramsdale, Sugawara, BBD, Edozie and Baz should generate £30m, if it didn't then we would of done poorly in negotiations 

what valuations are you putting on each of them to get to £30m?!

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BBD 4 million 

Edozie 4 million 

Ramsdale -loan most likely 

Archer 5 million 

Bazunu 3 million 

Sugawara 2 million 

Maybe a little high but that's 18 million if we can shift them. Combine that with the Armstrong fee, Charles sale and Fernandes sale and you're not far off 70 million if that's really what someone believes we need to raise.

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1 minute ago, benali-shorts said:

what valuations are you putting on each of them to get to £30m?!

Ramsdale £15m gets you half way there. The club would want at least £5m for Baz based on his fee.

That leaves an average of £3.33m for Edozie, BBD and Yuki

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2 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Ramsdale £15m gets you half way there. The club would want at least £5m for Baz based on his fee.

That leaves an average of £3.33m for Edozie, BBD and Yuki

No one is paying us either of those fees for those two players.

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6 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Ramsdale £15m gets you half way there. The club would want at least £5m for Baz based on his fee.

That leaves an average of £3.33m for Edozie, BBD and Yuki

good luck getting £20m for rams dale and bazunu

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6 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Ramsdale £15m gets you half way there. The club would want at least £5m for Baz based on his fee.

That leaves an average of £3.33m for Edozie, BBD and Yuki

You’ve got to live in the real world, though. Those fees aren’t happening

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Ramsdale: 4 year contract, bought at c£18m. £9m would be an reasonable outcome reflecting remaining book value; more likely a loan for next 2 years @ dwindling values.

Bazunu: 1 year left. Would be amazed if anyone paid anything for him (as opposed to loan for a year and then zero cost). 

BBD & Sugawara 2 years left and Edozie one year left. Might get £5-6m if we're lucky. 

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3 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

You’ve got to live in the real world, though. Those fees aren’t happening

I am in the real world. A PL level goalkeeper that played in the Champions league knockout rounds last season should command a £15m fee

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THBs long diagonal passes were a feature of Tonda ball and it fucks me off that we had the natural succesor to Taylor in Ronnie Edwards , we sold him way too cheap , it was clear we'd probably need another ball playing CB in the near future, 

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37 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I might actually give this thread a rest until the window has shut.

Can’t be dealing with pedantic prat’s putting words in my mouth about my own opinions. Or people throwing their toys out the pram at something that effectively hasn’t happened and is unlikely to happen unless serious money is quoted.

An absolute waste of time getting wound up by this.

The season starts this weekend, people should be getting pumped for that!

I think it's because the season starts this weekend that people get upset that the better players leave/ potentially leave now.

Solak ( with season tickets to sell ) predicted that he would give us a side that would " have us out of our seats".

Of course we are far from being in a position to keep the best players if they want out and a good fee is got, but as a whole I am not seeing a side that's going to get an auto finish this season.

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1 minute ago, Challenger said:

I think it's because the season starts this weekend that people get upset that the better players leave/ potentially leave now.

Solak ( with season tickets to sell ) predicted that he would give us a side that would " have us out of our seats".

Of course we are far from being in a position to keep the best players if they want out and a good fee is got, but as a whole I am not seeing a side that's going to get an auto finish this season.

TBF I don't think we can be definitive about anything until the window closes. Last year we got Scienza, Jander and Fellows bear the end of the window and they were all pretty decent. My main frustration if he goes now is that it is going to cost us even if we get a really good replacement in because it will take time to build an understanding and get up to speed when I want us to have a fast start and overcome the points deduction. We can't afford a new cb having to come and settle in which is the main reason I was hoping THB would stay above others.

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Just now, hypochondriac said:

TBF I don't think we can be definitive about anything until the window closes. Last year we got Scienza, Jander and Fellows bear the end of the window and they were all pretty decent. My main frustration if he goes now is that it is going to cost us even if we get a really good replacement in because it will take time to build an understanding and get up to speed when I want us to have a fast start and overcome the points deduction. We can't afford a new cb having to come and settle in which is the main reason I was hoping THB would stay above others.

we're in a tricky situation with CBs in so much as THB, Stephens and Wood all out of contract in 2028. It'll be awkward next summer if THB stays (unlikely) until then - Stephens another year older; Wood & THB reduced sale value or risk leaving for nothing. Quarshie not seeming good enough to rise above 4th choice is a blow to the squad succession plan. 

I'd be very (pleasantly) surprised if THB doesn't go this summer.

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1 hour ago, James said:

Losing THB this late in the window will be a real sickener but if we get £30m then that is impossible for a championship club to refuse in reality. Bit disappointed in our transfer business this summer, especially after what happened at the end of last season and Dragan’s promises. We are unquestionably weaker than last year (Stewart, Charles and THB will collectively be a big loss), are starting on -4 and will inevitably have to deal with some kind of Tonda ban/situation in mid-September. Frustrating.

You can’t judge our transfer window until it closes.

It’s 15th August today. Last summer, we hadn’t signed Mads Roerslev, Finn Azaz, Tom Fellows, Caspar Jander and Leo Scienza by this time.

If our squad is deficient by the time September ticks over then I’ll get concerned. Until then, I think we’ve got good balance and would expect any major players leaving to be replaced as like for like as finances will allow.

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4 minutes ago, Challenger said:

I think it's because the season starts this weekend that people get upset that the better players leave/ potentially leave now.

Solak ( with season tickets to sell ) predicted that he would give us a side that would " have us out of our seats".

Of course we are far from being in a position to keep the best players if they want out and a good fee is got, but as a whole I am not seeing a side that's going to get an auto finish this season.

I think this sums it up well. Obviously we need to wait and see what happens but, as of today, it’s hard to find our transfer business overly inspiring. This season, more so than others, we’ve got to get off to a good start to avoid getting cut adrift - especially if we get some bad news re the manager in the September break. 

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15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Ramsdale one is odd. He is a bloody good keeper yet no one wants to by him.

Last season he was dreadful for Newcastle and he was basically the highest earner in our squad, even in the PL. His market is teams down the bottom, who won’t want to commit to his wages long term. It’ll probably end up being a loan late in the window.

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10 minutes ago, jrobsbigshorts said:

THBs long diagonal passes were a feature of Tonda ball and it fucks me off that we had the natural succesor to Taylor in Ronnie Edwards , we sold him way too cheap , it was clear we'd probably need another ball playing CB in the near future, 

I would be concerned if Ronnie Edwards was replacing THB.

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Posted
Just now, Willo of Whiteley said:

Middlesbrough have spent nearly £50m in this window and they won’t be getting promoted.

 

They'll be in the playoff final at worst for sure.

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12 minutes ago, Challenger said:

I think it's because the season starts this weekend that people get upset that the better players leave/ potentially leave now.

Solak ( with season tickets to sell ) predicted that he would give us a side that would " have us out of our seats".

Of course we are far from being in a position to keep the best players if they want out and a good fee is got, but as a whole I am not seeing a side that's going to get an auto finish this season.

Really?

I think we’ll win the league.

Keep the squad as it is (obviously not including Ramsdale, Bazunu, Sugawara etc), and I think we’ll be right up there.

I think we need a CM replacement and a more experienced striker to come in and compete, Mubama doesn’t fill me with confidence.

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14 minutes ago, jrobsbigshorts said:

THBs long diagonal passes were a feature of Tonda ball and it fucks me off that we had the natural succesor to Taylor in Ronnie Edwards , we sold him way too cheap , it was clear we'd probably need another ball playing CB in the near future, 

The only thing I remember about him was just how bad a defender he was for us. Repeatedly committing stupid fouls or being caught out of position 

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8 minutes ago, coalman said:

They'll be in the playoff final at worst for sure.

They have 9th written all over them, they'll be flexing the legal muscles if they want playoffs again.

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Frustrating position with Ramsdale as he's a very good Goalkeeper but anybody would be mental to buy him off us permanently knowing the situation he's in here. 

All the Premier League teams seem to have sorted the position now as well so I can't see anything other than a loan abroad at a late hour. 

Nobody is paying anything for Bazunu. Maybe we can scramble £10m together for Archer, Sugawara and Brereton-Diaz at a real push.

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The link with this CB is a natural story given the gossip over THB. As an optimistic and looking at the squad quality at CB, we do need one better than both Wood and Stepehns, especially next season should we go up. 

I hope hes additional to THB and Quarshie will be going (as seems hes not rated). I thought he might turn into a good player for us, tall, string and quick, but guess more is required to convince TE. 

Selling / letting go Ramsdale, Bazunu, Quarshie, Larios, Edozie, BBD, Archer should bring in 20-25m (🤷‍♂️) and also reduce the wages by quite a bit. This CB and the Serbian Striker can probably come in for that, and then the CM. Job done. 

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