Should Saints sack Tonda?

[St. Ciervo]

Is it a possibility that we keep Tonda, but then Gibbons releases more evidence at the start of next season? Is there a statute of limitations, so to speak?

Edit: Would his firing play into the possible further punishment, or not?

Edited 2 hours ago by St. Ciervo

[MB]

4 minutes ago, St. Ciervo said:

Is it a possibility that we keep Tonda, but then Gibbons releases more evidence at the start of next season? Is there a statute of limitations, so to speak?

Edit: Would his firing play into the possible further punishment, or not?

That’s my worry tbh. There is no chance we didn’t spy between December and April, so who knows what else could come out and when.

imagine winning automatic promotion by one point only for Gibbocunt to pull something else out the hat

[LaptopSaint]

48 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

I doubt that the FA enquiry will take very long. According to the media it was opened last week and there doesn't seem to be much denial on Saint's part. So I suppose it's just a who knew and how much more of it was there. 

Should be wrapped up before the WC starts.

Yeah, and that may be one reason for the club’s weird silence and failure to communicate. 

I presume we’ve dumped (too little too late) the lawyers who gave us crap advice to start with. That’s assuming Parsons consulted lawyers before sidling up to Gibson in the boardroom. He must have done.
 

Either way, I guess we now have some serious players telling the FA we’ve been already been punished  disproportionately. So let’s hope they know what they’re doing. 

[stknowle]

2 hours ago, HKsaint said:

I would like to know if there will be any further investigation to be conducted against any person including Tonda within the Club? We should get this clear as soon as possible. If Tonda is required to serve a long suspension, then we have no choice. If not, he should continue to lead the team and the unbeaten run, subject to any disagreement amongst the players.  If our unbeaten run continues to the next season, it highly likely that we will get auto promotion next season. No one knows who else is involved in the spying. We should be united together and make a fresh start. We have already received the punishment that we deserved or more than deserved. We don’t need to punish ourselves further. 

Spot on HK my old pal. 

[waterlooville saint]

I’ve voted no, as for the last 4 months I’ve actually enjoyed watching us play football.

Should we have done the spying? No, but I’m sure we’re not alone, just got caught.

In a strange way there are positives about it - I can’t understand what, exactly we were benefiting from doing it, but I like the thought of a manager who thinks that small advantage will help and can somehow influence our performance - we’ve not had anyone like that for a while.

People are saying this has ruined our reputation, but it was far worse when we got a whole 12 points last season, and the two 9-0 defeats.

I don’t understand why people are saying us getting kicked out will cause people to lose their jobs, we’re still in the Championship. Ok, we may have employed more people if we got promoted, but that’s not losing jobs.

I’m not saying there shouldn’t be some sort of reprimand but unless the FA forces us to sack him then I don’t think we should.

Am I happy about us being kicked out of the playoffs? No, but I don’t think we would have got there without his ability to build a team and get everyone pulling together. The big question is can he get everyone to continue doing that? Only time will tell.

 

 

[Window Cleaner]

3 minutes ago, LaptopSaint said:

Yeah, and that may be one reason for the club’s weird silence and failure to communicate. 

I presume we’ve dumped (too little too late) the lawyers who gave us crap advice to start with. That’s assuming Parsons consulted lawyers before sidling up to Gibson in the boardroom. He must have done.
 

Either way, I guess we now have some serious players telling the FA we’ve been already been punished  disproportionately. So let’s hope they know what they’re doing. 

It seems that the EFL punishes clubs affiliated to it. The FA punishes individuals for whatever FA rules on which they may have trangressed. So I doubt any punishment already received by the club will affect the guilty (or not) individuals.

[Tom & Gerry]

Should we sack Tonda? yes. 

Do I want us to sack Tonda? no, but it would take one hell of an apology

[VectisSaint]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Will the FA investigation cover the suggested “bullying” aspect or focus on the charge of breaching a rule specifically related to spying ?

My initial thought was that the bullying isn’t the central allegation but the FA might see their role as wider. As you say that might be an area of concern if the FA want to show a ‘touchy freely’ side. 

I would suggest the bullying aspects will be the main focus. FA don't care too much about breaking rules, more interested in inclusivity, etc. 

[John B]

51 minutes ago, St. Ciervo said:

Is it a possibility that we keep Tonda, but then Gibbons releases more evidence at the start of next season? Is there a statute of limitations, so to speak?

Edit: Would his firing play into the possible further punishment, or not?

So he has admitted cheating what do you think his punishment should be

[Jack]

2 hours ago, goneawol said:

 

 

The club need to throw whatever they’ve got at making a deal for Peretz if he’s even slightly open to the idea. It’d have a huge positive impact on the supporters and I’m sure on the playing squad too, he’s a proper leader and clearly well liked, it may sway others that are on the fence. Hugely unlikely that he’d want to sign with us, I’m sure he’ll have far better offers. But it’d be negligent not to try everything with the state of our goalkeeping department. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Jack

[LaptopSaint]

1 minute ago, John B said:

So he has admitted cheating what do you think his punishment should be

FFS diving to try to win a penalty is also cheating and you get a yellow card, you don’t get thrown out of a competition. 
Just because other people try to turn something into a moral high horse doesn’t mean you have to get on it. Bit more backbone required here - we have to fight our corner. 
 

[LaptopSaint]

1 minute ago, Jack said:

The club need to throw whatever they’ve got at making a deal for Peretz if he’s even slightly open to the idea. It’d have a huge positive impact on the supporters and I’m sure on the playing squad too, he’s a proper leader and clearly well liked, it may sway others that are on the fence. Hugely unlikely that he’d want to sign with us, I’m sure he’ll have far better offers. But it’d be negligent not to try everything with the state of our goalkeeping department. 

100 percent 💯 

[Toadhall Saint]

9 minutes ago, John B said:

So he has admitted cheating what do you think his punishment should be

6 of the best.

[Window Cleaner]

6 minutes ago, LaptopSaint said:

FFS diving to try to win a penalty is also cheating and you get a yellow card, you don’t get thrown out of a competition. 
Just because other people try to turn something into a moral high horse doesn’t mean you have to get on it. Bit more backbone required here - we have to fight our corner. 
 

Well yes, but there are also fines that go with yellow cards and the suspensions for cumulations. Some clubs fine players for getting too many cards.

[LegalEagle]

5 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

6 of the best.

Slipper or cane doesn’t matter. Make his botty sting and we can all move on. The guys at the FA no doubt would approve. 

[Grim Reaper]

18 minutes ago, John B said:

So he has admitted cheating what do you think his punishment should be

He didn’t admit to cheating did he, he said he did not know it was illegal to do it. It’s just the bent biased panel choose to say that did not matter. It was a kangaroo court.

[DellBlockH]

Last season, we stunk up the Premier League and slipped out at a record earliest date after sticking with Russell Marin for too long. We followed that with the appointment of Ivan Juric and then Will Still. We stunk up the Championship for the first half of this season. But, somehow, we attracted a major shirt sponsor in the shape of P&O Cruises. 

This talk that sponsors will want out is nothing more than a feeling on the part of some posters here. I've seen nothing to suggest that any of our sponsors don't want to continue their deals.

I'll repeat. We did wrong. We've been punished. Whether that punishment was fair or excessive is no longer the argument. It happened and is not going to change. We need to decide whether keeping the best manager we've had in ages has a negative impact on the club in the future. I'm firmly in the camp that says we keep him unless the FA decide that is untenable or if the players no longer want to work with him (and I've seen no evidence of that).

Nobody outside Southampton, and perhaps Middlesbrough, will care once the new season starts about our observing other teams' training. There might be some banter and chanting but this can all be quelled by results on the pitch. It would, to my mind, be foolish to sack someone who has shown he is capable of getting those results. 

We've been punished. I've no doubt Tonda has been punished as he must have been on a bonus had we got to the EPL. Move on and stop the self-flagellation.

Edited 1 hour ago by DellBlockH

[Football Special]

18 minutes ago, Jack said:

The club need to throw whatever they’ve got at making a deal for Peretz if he’s even slightly open to the idea. It’d have a huge positive impact on the supporters and I’m sure on the playing squad too, he’s a proper leader and clearly well liked, it may sway others that are on the fence. Hugely unlikely that he’d want to sign with us, I’m sure he’ll have far better offers. But it’d be negligent not to try everything with the state of our goalkeeping department. 

We have to assume its quite likely Bayern Munich taught Tonda most of what he knew as a young analyst whilst employed there. I feel they are partly responsible for the predicament we find ourselves in now and sending Peretz to us for another season on loan would go someway to helping them repay that debt 

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Grim Reaper said:

He didn’t admit to cheating did he, he said he did not know it was illegal to do it. It’s just the bent biased panel choose to say that did not matter. It was a kangaroo court.

Which, on the balance of probabilities, is further fiction coming out of SFC

[Football Special]

6 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

Slipper or cane doesn’t matter. Make his botty sting and we can all move on. The guys at the FA no doubt would approve. 

He still wouldn't blink throughout the punishment 

[Football Special]

3 minutes ago, DellBlockH said:

Last season, we stunk up the Premier League and slipped out at a record earliest date after sticking with Russell Marin for too long. We followed that with the appointment of Ivan Juric and then Will Still. We stunk up the Championship for the first half of this season. But, somehow, we attracted a major shirt sponsor in the shape of P&O Cruises. 

This talk that sponsors will want out is nothing more than a feeling on the part of some posters here. I've seen nothing to suggest that any of our sponsors don't want to continue their deals.

I'll repeat. We did wrong. We've been punished. Whether that punishment was fair or excessive is no longer the argument. It happened and is not going to change. We need to decide whether keeping the best manager we've had in ages has a negative impact on the club in the future. I'm firmly in the camp that says we keep him unless the FA decide that is untenable or if the players no longer want to work with him (and I've seen no evidence of that).

Nobody outside Southampton, and perhaps Middlesbrough, will care once the new season starts about our observing other teams' training. There might be some banter and chanting but this can all be quelled by results on the pitch. It would, to my mind, be foolish to sack someone who has shown he is capable of getting those results. 

We've been punished. I've no doubt Tonda has been punished as he must have been on a bonus had we got to the EPL. Move on and stop the self-flag elation.

Perhaps, maybe they've seen a drop in cruise bookings from the Middlesbrough area and are delighted with the outcome 

[beatlesaint]

So based on absolutely nothing at all do we think the club had decided to use this long Bank Holiday weekend to gauge opinions on Tonda after the initial anger had subsided?

Or have they had to get their ducks in a row legally in order to sack him without having to pay him off due to gross misconduct?

Or are they just bloody incompetent and don’t give a stuff about the fan base?

[LegalEagle]

1 minute ago, beatlesaint said:

So based on absolutely nothing at all do we think the club had decided to use this long Bank Holiday weekend to gauge opinions on Tonda after the initial anger had subsided?

Or have they had to get their ducks in a row legally in order to sack him without having to pay him off due to gross misconduct?

Or are they just bloody incompetent and don’t give a stuff about the fan base?

The first option

[stknowle]

Poll has rallied round from an initial 66per cent OUT to now a small majority declaring IN. Has the interweb ever seen such an incredible turnaround let alone SaintsWeb?

[Gerryv]

Let’s face it, Tonda did a brilliant job. 

If we fire him and he ends up some where else doing as well, we’ll be kicking ourselves if we get another Will Still type as a replacement.

The only reason to get rid is if the FA go stupid and ban him.

We are where we are and we need to look to the future not the past.

[DellBlockH]

1 minute ago, Gerryv said:

Let’s face it, Tonda did a brilliant job. 

If we fire him and he ends up some where else doing as well, we’ll be kicking ourselves if we get another Will Still type as a replacement.

The only reason to get rid is if the FA go stupid and ban him.

We are where we are and we need to look to the future not the past.

As Sir N Holder said, it's only just begun.

[Window Cleaner]

19 minutes ago, Grim Reaper said:

He didn’t admit to cheating did he, he said he did not know it was illegal to do it. It’s just the bent biased panel choose to say that did not matter. It was a kangaroo court.

But apparently Salt knew it was illegal, so you'd think he's have mentioned it to Eckert. Apparently or so it is rumoured there's évidence for this on some WhatsApp conversation. The EFL will have seen that I suppose.

 

[Hawkswood]

2 hours ago, MB said:

I’ll be amazed if he isn’t sacked. Need to be seen to do the “right thing”. Imagine its process and he has been suspended for gross misconduct the time will come I am sure. 

I do wonder if the board and other saints fans have experienced what the fans on here have experienced as proven by this poll. Fury anger and embarrassment to start with then as time ticks you start seeing it in a different way.

Again, I think its irrelevant.  FA will do him

Edited 1 hour ago by Hawkswood

[saintant]

24 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

So based on absolutely nothing at all do we think the club had decided to use this long Bank Holiday weekend to gauge opinions on Tonda after the initial anger had subsided?

Or have they had to get their ducks in a row legally in order to sack him without having to pay him off due to gross misconduct?

Or are they just bloody incompetent and don’t give a stuff about the fan base?

A sprinkling of all of the above.

[saintant]

18 minutes ago, Gerryv said:

Let’s face it, Tonda did a brilliant job. 

If we fire him and he ends up some where else doing as well, we’ll be kicking ourselves if we get another Will Still type as a replacement.

The only reason to get rid is if the FA go stupid and ban him.

We are where we are and we need to look to the future not the past.

Yeah but we can take the moral high ground and say that at least we did the right thing in line with Troy Deeney's erudite views. 

[East Kent Saint]

Best not self flagilate too much as FA will want more plus all the other twats will be sticking their oar in .

[Window Cleaner]

19 minutes ago, DellBlockH said:

As Sir N Holder said, it's only just begun.

Wasn't that the Carpenters? 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, Window Cleaner said:

Wasn't that the Carpenters? 

Another Karen.

[East Kent Saint]

2 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

Wasn't that the Carpenters? 

Also part of a Slade lyric , their merry Christmas one I think 

 

[Willo of Whiteley]

The coercion of youngsters into doing the spying that was mentioned in the report, and then almost like belittling them when their work wasn’t good; that doesn’t sit right with me.

I know you get it in all walks of life, but it’s still unacceptable.

Edited 40 minutes ago by Willo of Whiteley

[BARCELONASAINT]

53 minutes ago, Gerryv said:

Let’s face it, Tonda did a brilliant job. 

If we fire him and he ends up some where else doing as well, we’ll be kicking ourselves if we get another Will Still type as a replacement.

The only reason to get rid is if the FA go stupid and ban him.

We are where we are and we need to look to the future not the past.

If we end up either sacking him or the FA give us no choice because they suspend him i have no doubt he will get another manager appointment abroad easily because he's shown he's a quality manager and no one abroad will give a flying fuck about stupid English spygate.

[LiberalCommunist]

31 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Best not self flagilate too much as FA will want more plus all the other twats will be sticking their oar in .

But just what would you have us do?

Burn it all to the ground?

Would you then be happy? 

No. I thought not.

I'm all in on push back now. I'd rather be hated than submissive and rudderless, and that is what will happen. 

We will get a Pelligrino or William Still. 

And besides, when has the EFL dealt a punishment, and the FA have added to it? Show me the example. They are making this up as they go along. We'd be better served chucking some money at finding other wrong doings, go through the rule book and see what we can uncover. The football mafia are on us till a new target arises. Comply and die. Fuck that. 

 

[SaintsLoyal]

A total farce hes not been sacked,  we need new owners this is beyond a joke.

 

Edited 6 minutes ago by SaintsLoyal

[Football Special]

7 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

If we end up either sacking him or the FA give us no choice because they suspend him i have no doubt he will get another manager appointment abroad easily because he's shown he's a quality manager and no one abroad will give a flying fuck about stupid English spygate.

Funny you should say that looking at your user name, I have a regular work call with a client in Barcelona where we often share a bit of football chat , he told me the story had made the sports news over there but definitely a sense they were laughing about it (pantomime villian kid with a phone, comedy sketch) rather than any outrage. 

[Window Cleaner]

5 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

A total farce hes not been sacked,  we need new owners this is beyond a joke,

New owners yes, but the bummer is that you need someone with a lot of money to give some of it to the current owners.

Edited 3 minutes ago by Window Cleaner

[Cabrone]

Firstly I think there is a decent chance the FA will accept that the league gave us an appropriate punishment and stop at that, leaving any other internal disciplinary actions up to the club.

As fans we can afford to debate this from an ethical standpoint but we aren't paying the bills. However the owner is and he wants to get back to the Prem ASAP.

He'll be pondering the best strategy to get back and I think he'll conclude that sticking with Tonda is more optimal than taking a gamble on yet another unknown.

My feeling is Tonda's future depends on the FA, the club will back him. Maybe they are sounding out the FA right now?