Should Saints sack Tonda?

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

The punishment waa clearly way over the top. Far too much self flagelation on here. We've been excessively dealt with so ffs start fighting back instead of meekly submitting and ac epting more pile on.

It what way was it over the top? 
 

The lack of understanding is incredible. The play offs were ruled to be a separate competition, once the first leg was played there was absolutely no other realistic sporting sanction available. 

[trousers]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It what way was it over the top? 

Maybe ask the ex head of the FA (and many other high profile people in the game), who is/are of the same opinion? Or is that too much "whataboutery" for the forum thought police...?

Edited 1 hour ago by trousers

[Wade Garrett]

13 minutes ago, saintant said:

The punishment waa clearly way over the top. Far too much self flagelation on here. We've been excessively dealt with so ffs start fighting back instead of meekly submitting and ac epting more pile on.

Fight back like cry like a fucking baby over the punishment, that even one of the best lawyers around could do nothing about?

[egg]

29 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It what way was it over the top? 
 

The lack of understanding is incredible. The play offs were ruled to be a separate competition, once the first leg was played there was absolutely no other realistic sporting sanction available. 

Yep...and the club offered up no credible sanction for the EFL to hit us with...give them the option of expulsion or a fine was inviting expulsion. We had to have a sporting sanction for a sporting offence like that, and the reality is that points wouldn't have hit us, and having not attempted to steer the panel towards something else (EFL cup ban, for example) i can't see that else they could do. It seems like we payed a game of chicken with them, and lost badly. 

[DellBlockH]

40 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

What does "fighting back" actually entail? 

I guess it starts with accepting the punishment we have received but not adding to it unless forced to by the FA.

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep...and the club offered up no credible sanction for the EFL to hit us with...give them the option of expulsion or a fine was inviting expulsion. We had to have a sporting sanction for a sporting offence like that, and the reality is that points wouldn't have hit us, and having not attempted to steer the panel towards something else (EFL cup ban, for example) i can't see that else they could do. It seems like we payed a game of chicken with them, and lost badly. 

That's the key takeaway really. We didn't defend ourselves or offer any form of response to the EFL, we didn't even try to. Some of our antics when we were first charged was school-boy stuff, and the EFL probably made their decision right then.

It's the worst defence ever. 

''Hi Southampton, we've recieved this complaint - care to comment?''

''Hi EFL - This isn't true! Us? No! We're good, we don't have things like that happening! This is not the Southampton Way. Nothing to see here"

''Hi Southampton, we have proof that you have done this''

''Hi EFL - Oh, yeah I think you're right. To help mitigate I'll admit we did it at Oxford and Ipswich too. Can we get a fine and call it a day? I've already had a quiet private chat, outside of this process, with Steve Gibson regarding a financial settlement''

[Nordic Saint]

37 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Fight back like cry like a fucking baby over the punishment, that even one of the best lawyers around could do nothing about?

No, we fight back by not doing what 100% of Pompey and Boro fans want us to and sacking the best manager we've had for years. It's time to stand up to the pressure from those who don't have our best interests at heart.

Edited 27 minutes ago by Nordic Saint

[CB Fry]

Honestly insane to me that people can only see sacking Tonda as as submissive act that we'd only do because we're weak and its what Pompey or Boro might want us to do.

His fuck ups have embarrassed the club, damaged the brand of the club in the community and to sponsors and cost us a very good shot at two hundred odd million quid (and keeping some excellent players).

The idea that he could conceivably be manager next season is fucking insane. Every press conference, every i interview, every game is going to be tarnished with this shit. 

We need to start again. Be strong, take responsibility and clean the club up. 

That's how we "fight back" for fucks sake.

Edited 21 minutes ago by CB Fry

[LaptopSaint]

So if I’ve got this right, the Tonda Out crowd want to sack him because he broke the rules, not because of the nature of the punishment. He’s brought shame on the club, and we now need to sit in the stocks and have rotten veg and shit thrown at us. 
 

Presumably you’d all think the same if the punishment had been a £2m fine and 6 point penalty, and we’d beaten Hull on Saturday to get promoted. He broke the rules. Fire him. 
 

The argument that there was no other sporting sanction available is bollocks. Plenty of people in football who are nothing to do with Saints think the punishment is way over the top. So do plenty of lawyers. And the legal precedent the EFL have now saddled themselves with is crazy. 
 

There are practical reasons why we may well have to get rid of Tonda anyway - FA ban or players’ revolt. 
 

But we’ve been walked all over once. Let’s not let it happen again. 
 

 

[BILLYDO1948]

My reaction to the findings was that the man responsible, Tonda, should carry the can, which would have been a huge loss to us. I thought that, together with fine and points deduction would be enough. The severe penalty of removal from the play off final, in my mind, removed that as an option. If he is sanctioned that’s going to make it very difficult when an FA sweetheart team is found guilty of a similar misdemeanour and, say, sits on top of the league 10 points clear. What would they do?

[Ken Tone]

Regardless of whether we should sack eckert, it seems to me that the club don't want to. They could easily have done so by now, citing misconduct, damage to the club's public image etc.

Feels like they're waiting to see if he suspended by the  FA and if not .....   

[Harry_SFC]

https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/tonda-eckert-southampton-spygate-play-offs-dn722kv26

Interesting article in the the times regarding how spying is seen as "the norm" in Germany. 

[LiberalCommunist]

Weather the storm. Fuck the EFL. Fuck the FA.

Lets drop the son in law tag. Fuck 'em.

[Harry_SFC]

20 minutes ago, LaptopSaint said:

So if I’ve got this right, the Tonda Out crowd want to sack him because he broke the rules, not because of the nature of the punishment. He’s brought shame on the club, and we now need to sit in the stocks and have rotten veg and shit thrown at us. 
 

Presumably you’d all think the same if the punishment had been a £2m fine and 6 point penalty, and we’d beaten Hull on Saturday to get promoted. He broke the rules. Fire him. 
 

The argument that there was no other sporting sanction available is bollocks. Plenty of people in football who are nothing to do with Saints think the punishment is way over the top. So do plenty of lawyers. And the legal precedent the EFL have now saddled themselves with is crazy. 
 

There are practical reasons why we may well have to get rid of Tonda anyway - FA ban or players’ revolt. 
 

But we’ve been walked all over once. Let’s not let it happen again. 
 

 

I've not yet spoken to one non Saints fan who thinks we deserved to be kicked out.