ladysaint Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Heard on the news this morning that MW is keen to start one up at SFC using the model that is in place at Wolves. Anyone know anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Just more fan pandering from Scouse Mike. Anyone remember the "I would love to stand in The Northam with the real fans" ? Hang on you know we are not allowed to stand ...right ?. Mind you seems very popular at the moment. Mary Corbetts road sitting with the kids stunt being a particularly good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 27 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 February, 2009 It stated on the radio that it was to improve communication with the fans which is we all know is sadly lacking. I have looked at the Wolves Fans Parliament and it is made up of supporters from all stands, i.e. young member representatives, season ticket holders, long distance travellers, away supporters etc., they even post up the minutes of the meeting on their official site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Jan a bit like the fans forum something and nothing I remember the last one I went to when HR was sat picking at a bit of fluff on the table cloth all night, his body langauge said he did not want to be there. Could be a case of good old Mike trying to get the fans onside, no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Anything which is an alternative to the Saints Trust is worth a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Could we have regular Q & A's ? say every Thursday ? or something in the format of BBC's Question Time where representatives of the board are on the panel with an independant in the Dimbleby role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Nice idea, but which parliament do people think it should be modeled on? Italy Mexico Somalia South Korea South Korea Taiwan Taiwan Turkey Ukraine Ukraine http://www.popgive.com/2009/01/fighting-in-parliaments-of-world.html?widgetType=BlogArchive&widgetId=BlogArchive1&action=toggle&dir=close&toggle=MONTHLY-1233475200000&toggleopen=MONTHLY-1233475200000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Just more fan pandering from Scouse Mike. Anyone remember the "I would love to stand in The Northam with the real fans" ? Hang on you know we are not allowed to stand ...right ?. Mind you seems very popular at the moment. Mary Corbetts road sitting with the kids stunt being a particularly good example. Ho Ho Ho Mike's back to his old tricks. Will the clique fall for it again? Of course they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 I propose a parliamentary vote of no confidence in the following : Michael Wilde The Rt Hon Gordon Brown MP F***ing Merchant Bankers Fred Dinage The Wheel Bearings on my Nissan Primera My Boss Teenage Dance 'Music' Reality TV :mad: Bradly Bloody Wright Bloody Phillips The M271 Argentina Rupert Lowe - and the horse he rode in on Referees Terry Wogan The chap who designed the undercarriage on the Short Stirling MkI 'Eli' from the movie 'There will be blood' Robbie Williams BMW drivers Michael Howard QC People who didn't watch 'Dexter' last night And anybody else who annoys me today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Nice idea, but which parliament do people think it should be modeled on? Italy Mexico Somalia South Korea South Korea Taiwan Taiwan Turkey Ukraine Ukraine http://www.popgive.com/2009/01/fighting-in-parliaments-of-world.html?widgetType=BlogArchive&widgetId=BlogArchive1&action=toggle&dir=close&toggle=MONTHLY-1233475200000&toggleopen=MONTHLY-1233475200000 LOL !! Any of those would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Is it nearly season ticket renewal time again? Oh yes so it is - nobody is going to fall for it this time Mikey - how is the 2005 club for season ticket holders coming along, remember that? Another one of your "lets pretend we care about the fans" schemes or even better your "Football First Charter" - yes because SFC is now a really inclusive football club which also listens to the fans and is open about the goings on at the club, like why Malcolm Webster left and Hockaday.... In short forget all this nonsense, we don't want some c*** parliament and certainly not with you any near it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Nice idea, but which parliament do people think it should be modeled on? Italy..etc Wow, democracy in action ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 So when does Illingsworth get announced as the Chairman for this then??? We all know it's coming. Nice try Michael - wasting your time pal - you screwed us over once by siding with Lowe (hmm what a wonderful businessman you are, spending £2M on shares that you have run down to £700k).... Jog on and close the boardroom door next time you grace us with your presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 This has to be a wind-up surely?! I have a simple message to Wilde:- Run the club well so that we win games at home and avoid relegation. Ensure whoever is in the 'managers' position does a good job with the players. Attempt to get investment into the club, preferably by selling it so that you and Lowe can leave forever. Forget all other loony ideas until we're back in the Prem, because it's a big waste of time. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 (edited) Imagine if TSF members were in it, what sort of roles would they take on? I reckon: Alpine - he'd be quite Dennis Skinner-like with some sharp one-liners. The Beast of Austria (rather than Bolsover as Skinner was) Guided Missile - An Alan Clark sort of maverick Jonah - On the Eurosceptic wing of the party. Weston Saint - Good choice for Speaker Fitzhugh - An elder statesman, someone like Ted Heath Master Bates - Cheeky member who would get banned a lot for tampering with the mace Um Pahars - Quite senior and ideological - Tony Benn perhaps Frank's Cousin - Would ensure that he talked through any windows for passing legislation he didn't like. Johnny Fartpants - Irreverant comments from the backbenches TDD - Armed Forces Spokesman Bridge Too Far and Lady Saint - Democracy must be representative and we need someone to keep the above in order (although Weston also does this job. Imagine the debates between Alpine and GM?) I've probably just offended half the site.... Edited 27 February, 2009 by saint1977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Ask MW if we can have a statue of the great charlie miller outside St.Marys . We really should let the world know what a huge impact Saints have had on world football , Charlie has a statue outside the Sau Paulo stadium , why not St.Marys. IMHO Would keep wilde busy for months getting that organised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Ask MW if we can have a statue of the great charlie miller outside St.Marys . We really should let the world know what a huge impact Saints have had on world football , Charlie has a statue outside the Sau Paulo stadium , why not St.Marys. IMHO Would keep wilde busy for months getting that organised Probably end up looking like Yogie Bear, or Harry Redknapp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Tame talking shops are useless. Might as well use the ticket/members numbers and get the ERS to draw them, that would ensure totally random selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Let's model it on our own parliament........! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Ho Ho Ho Mike's back to his old tricks. Will the clique fall for it again? Of course they will. Have you still got your "Saints Go Wilde" T-shirt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGF Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4159412.Wilde__We_want_fans__input/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Have you still got your "Saints Go Wilde" T-shirt? I never fell for the Wilde spin. This is a fact, not me re-inventing history. Just because i'm anti lowe doesn't mean i fell for the Scousers rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South City Si Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Ask MW if we can have a statue of the great charlie miller outside St.Marys . We really should let the world know what a huge impact Saints have had on world football , Charlie has a statue outside the Sau Paulo stadium , why not St.Marys. IMHO Would keep wilde busy for months getting that organised That's actually a really good idea. WOuld like St mary's to look a bit more reflective of our history as a club, and this would represent this is a global way! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_O_Mac Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Nice idea, but which parliament do people think it should be modeled on? Italy Mexico Somalia South Korea South Korea Taiwan Taiwan Turkey Ukraine Ukraine http://www.popgive.com/2009/01/fighting-in-parliaments-of-world.html?widgetType=BlogArchive&widgetId=BlogArchive1&action=toggle&dir=close&toggle=MONTHLY-1233475200000&toggleopen=MONTHLY-1233475200000 Trousers that is one of the funniest things I have ever seen. I imagine the saints 'parliament' to be worse than any of the above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Anything which is an alternative to the Saints Trust is worth a look. and why is that? because you didn't invent it? ignore the people who may or may not be involved and look at the stuctures and the set up - and a supporters trust is the best way by miles and miles to give fans a voice - any voice - at their football club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 and why is that? because you didn't invent it? ignore the people who may or may not be involved and look at the stuctures and the set up - and a supporters trust is the best way by miles and miles to give fans a voice - any voice - at their football club Nonsense, the whole ill thought out Socialist concept was cobbled together and is a complete failure. The very idea of an uber fan sitting on the board sends shivers down my spine. Let's assume Nick Illingsworth was this fan on the board - he would be voting and making decisions on behalf of the membership off his own back. You only have to look at his statements of late to realise this is precisely what would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 have to say the fans Parliament idea is pure PR - spin and nothing more if Michael Wilde really listened to the fans he woudln't have broguth Lowe back to power - and he would have sold his shares or donated them them to charity and crawled all the way back to Anfield! can you really see Chairman Lowe listening to the fans parliament when we all know he sees us as nothing more than a bunch of mugs who pay his inflated prices and his inflated wages - he more or les despises us! as it was he used the qaurterly fans group forums to divide and rule - how many of those regional fans actually existed for a start Scottish Saints lived in Southampton if I remember correctly - and some only existed for the tickets deals they got in return for agreeing with Lowe if certain people are to be believed he'll just do the same again - because all the power will be with the clubs board yet again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonah Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 I never fell for the Wilde spin. This is a fact, not me re-inventing history. Just because i'm anti lowe doesn't mean i fell for the Scousers rhetoric. Your memory must be failing you Matt: "now a alternative is here [Wilde] then its time all proper Saints fans acted and got rid of the cancer thats killing our Club." That sounds like pretty unconditional support for Wilde. No warning about his rhetoric there. Or how about: "Wilde calls EGM just announced on Sky Sports News. Time to get the champers out and my season ticket renewal." Still fairly happy with the spin by all accounts. And not forgetting the abusive posting you made on saintslist (for which you got banned) which complained that I had been warning about Wilde from day one: "he and his crew have been on Wildes case since day one. WHY ??????" Are you sure you're not re-inventing history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Your memory must be failing you Matt: "now a alternative is here [Wilde] then its time all proper Saints fans acted and got rid of the cancer thats killing our Club." That sounds like pretty unconditional support for Wilde. No warning about his rhetoric there. Or how about: "Wilde calls EGM just announced on Sky Sports News. Time to get the champers out and my season ticket renewal." Still fairly happy with the spin by all accounts. And not forgetting the abusive posting you made on saintslist (for which you got banned) which complained that I had been warning about Wilde from day one: "he and his crew have been on Wildes case since day one. WHY ??????" Are you sure you're not re-inventing history? That must have taken you ages to compile, it's a shame therefore that these are not my comments Sladey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Nonsense, the whole ill thought out Socialist concept was cobbled together and is a complete failure. The very idea of an uber fan sitting on the board sends shivers down my spine. Let's assume Nick Illingsworth was this fan on the board - he would be voting and making decisions on behalf of the membership off his own back. You only have to look at his statements of late to realise this is precisely what would happen. actuall share ownership is a capitalist concept - socialism would take a different approach - making the club owned by its membership - one member one vote - now that would be a socialist approach uberfan!?! a term that means nothing but stirs up feelings - are you a young tory but any chance? the supporter representation could simply be an observer on the board - or it could be more than one person with voting rights open your minds and think! Barcelona FC is run but its fans with the board elected by its fans - now we wouldn't want to see Saints in their situation would we? - what with the Nou Camp stadium and Messi, E'to, Henry, Xavi in their team! Would we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 actuall share ownership is a capitalist concept - socialism would take a different approach - making the club owned by its membership - one member one vote - now that would be a socialist approach uberfan!?! a term that means nothing but stirs up feelings - are you a young tory but any chance? the supporter representation could simply be an observer on the board - or it could be more than one person with voting rights open your minds and think! Barcelona FC is run but its fans with the board elected by its fans - now we wouldn't want to see Saints in their situation would we? - what with the Nou Camp stadium and Messi, E'to, Henry, Xavi in their team! Would we? Supporters direct is a Socialist concept. You have failed to answer my question - do you want Nick Illingsworth speaking on your behalf as the fan on the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonah Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 That must have taken you ages to compile, it's a shame therefore that these are not my comments Sladey. Matt, you might keep changing your userids but it's always easy to recognise you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Matt, you might keep changing your userids but it's always easy to recognise you again. I've already told you via PM that you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Probably end up looking like Yogie Bear, or Harry Redknapp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 I've already told you via PM that you are wrong. I think it was you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 I think it was you. You would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 When will these jokers on the board realize that until they depart with all their leeches and cronies, and do not ever come back, that there will be no unity among the majority of the fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 I'd let him represent me as a fan on the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Matt, you might keep changing your userids but it's always easy to recognise you again. Trouble is, one BNP supporter looks much the same as another NF supporter. Maybe SF76 and Cushty Bloke are interchangeable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 actuall share ownership is a capitalist concept - socialism would take a different approach - making the club owned by its membership - one member one vote - now that would be a socialist approach uberfan!?! a term that means nothing but stirs up feelings - are you a young tory but any chance? the supporter representation could simply be an observer on the board - or it could be more than one person with voting rights open your minds and think! Barcelona FC is run but its fans with the board elected by its fans - now we wouldn't want to see Saints in their situation would we? - what with the Nou Camp stadium and Messi, E'to, Henry, Xavi in their team! Would we? I agree with you. A supporter on the Board should not be viewed as an end in itself. One member one vote, as with Barcelona, would be a major step forward. However, I would call this a democratic approach rather than a socialist approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Written by josh , 19.04.2005 Brazil is the most fashionable country on the planet. Brazilian clothes, shoes, music, food, football.... from Gilberto Gil to Ronaldinho, havaianas to caipirinhas, Brazil is everywhere. But no one remembers the debt that Brazil owes to Britain – and to one British man, Charles Miller. In the 19th century, the British funded the Brazilian economy, built Brazil’s infrastructure - and taught Brazil how to play football. Brazil was never part of the British Empire. However, a small but very influential group of Britons lived and worked in Brazil. British values, institutions, expertise and money permeated the country. Even São Paulo, a provincial little town, plopped in the middle of uninteresting farmland - even that distant, dusty town had a stalwart British community which led a determinedly colonial existence. In 1874, the chaplain of St Paul’s, the British church in São Paulo, registered the birth of a boy. The father was Scottish; the mother was English; the boy’s name was Charles William Miller. Like many sons of British expatriates, Charles Miller went “back home” for his education. At the frail age of nine, he was put on a ship at Santos and sent to boarding-school in Southampton. At that time, São Paulo was a small town with a few shambolic streets, whereas Southampton was one of the greatest ports on the planet. Travelling from one to the other meant moving from a sleepy hamlet to a thriving metropolis. Charles Miller went to a small boarding school on the outskirts of Southampton. From his education, he had learnt only one lesson that really mattered to him: the rules of football. He was a fast, skilful player. He played for the Corinthians (the greatest amateur team of all time) and St Mary’s (now better known as Southampton Football Club). In 1894, Charles Miller sailed back to Brazil. In his luggage, he carried a book of rules and a deflated football. When Charles Miller arrived in Brazil, he discovered to his horror that no-one knew how to play the beautiful game. The expatriate community had retained many British customs - cricket on Saturdays, afternoon tea at four, visiting-cards on silver trays - but not football. Charles had found his mission. He pumped up the football, summoned his friends and colleagues to a patch of wasteland near the railway station, divided them into two teams and explained the rules. He wasn’t prepared for the amazing success of his game. Within months, people were playing football all over São Paulo. Within a few years, the game had conquered the entire country. Fifty years after his death, Charles Miller has been forgotten. In Brazil, people know his name and a few inaccurate myths about his life, but nothing more. In Britain, hardly anyone even knows his name. The British influence in Brazil has dwindled to a few language schools and a dribble of investment. And when British footballers are confronted by Brazilian opponents, they pray that the score doesn’t reach double figures. The story of Charles Miller’s life isn’t just a tale of one man’s fascinating life. Nor is it merely an intriguing episode in the history of football. The spread of football from Britain to Brazil is a neat riposte to anyone who is fearful of cultural imperialism. The English may have invented the rules of football, and the British may have carried the balls and the rulebooks in their imperial baggage, but Brazilians quickly made the game again in their own image. A hundred years later, talents and skills are flowing back the other way. In Britain, just as all over Europe, home-grown players display the skills and techniques which they have learnt from their Brazilian colleagues. Charles Miller’s gift is being repaid Think its a great idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Version 2 of the Trust? Because the first one worked so well? He's getting good at bringing back things that didn't work the first time around isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Imagine if TSF members were in it, what sort of roles would they take on? I reckon: Alpine - he'd be quite Dennis Skinner-like with some sharp one-liners. The Beast of Austria (rather than Bolsover as Skinner was) Guided Missile - An Alan Clark sort of maverick Jonah - On the Eurosceptic wing of the party. Weston Saint - Good choice for Speaker Fitzhugh - An elder statesman, someone like Ted Heath Master Bates - Cheeky member who would get banned a lot for tampering with the mace Um Pahars - Quite senior and ideological - Tony Benn perhaps Frank's Cousin - Would ensure that he talked through any windows for passing legislation he didn't like. Johnny Fartpants - Irreverant comments from the backbenches TDD - Armed Forces Spokesman Bridge Too Far and Lady Saint - Democracy must be representative and we need someone to keep the above in order (although Weston also does this job. Imagine the debates between Alpine and GM?) I've probably just offended half the site.... Not at all - I found it quite funny. Actually quite enjoyed being compared to Dennis Skinner - I always had respect for his irreverency (though he annoyed the crap out of me this week by talking all the way through Gordon Browns speech paying tribute to David Cameron's dead disabled son) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Back on subject : What action will Lowe (who apparently supports this according to the comment about "full board backing") and the Quisling take if the first vote in this Parliament is a vote of no confidence in them ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Mind you seems very popular at the moment. Mary Corbetts road sitting with the kids stunt being a particularly good example. You just cant resist can you !! You were not in favour of these marches were you mate ? Take a bleedin bone and carrying on knawing on it...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 actuall share ownership is a capitalist concept - socialism would take a different approach - making the club owned by its membership - one member one vote - now that would be a socialist approach uberfan!?! a term that means nothing but stirs up feelings - are you a young tory but any chance? the supporter representation could simply be an observer on the board - or it could be more than one person with voting rights open your minds and think! Barcelona FC is run but its fans with the board elected by its fans - now we wouldn't want to see Saints in their situation would we? - what with the Nou Camp stadium and Messi, E'to, Henry, Xavi in their team! Would we? Socialism-one man one vote, we have a socialist dictatorship government, how does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Socialism-one man one vote, we have a socialist dictatorship government, how does that work? They tell the one man how to use their vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4159412.Wilde__We_want_fans__input/ Fans parliament not required - if you dont know what the fans are thinking now Mike after protests and death threats then what hope does this have? Just go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 What a load of old ******** Michael. Listen to the majority of fans and f*ck off out of the club, taking your Lord and Master with you. You don't need a Parliament you muppet, you need a spine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Waste of space, I'm afraid. What prospect is there for any agreement on anything reading the posters on here. Plus the minor detail that it would be powerless to do anything anyway. Yet another totally pointless talking shop for those that even less of a life than us sad muppets on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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