Tamesaint Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 Jason Euell has been immense over the last 2 games. I am thinking not so much of the way that he has led the line & helped Saga up front but more of the way he seems to be the leader on the field. Last week he seemed to be the one who gathered the team together & gave a pep talk once Preston had scored. This week he was every where in the last 15 minutes playing up front, in midfield and at one stage even in the back 4 . For so long we have lacked a leader on the park. In Euell we seem to have found one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 Absolutly , I had him down as man of the match - and I don't even like him ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 Completely agree. I thought everyone was booing him at first yesterday, but apparently they were just shouting Euell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painswick Saint Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 I feel sure he is a major factor in our recent change of fortunes. I am just hoping he does not pick up an injury - I can't really see anyone on the bench to replace him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 What the **** have the coaches been doing for best part of 18 months that only now is JE played up front & leading from that position? Can anyone else remember JE scoring Wimbledon debut against Saints under Merrington 2-1 win at palace think Shipperley scored both ours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 Question is will he get his contract renewed if he keeps up these decent performances? Personally I thought he was excellent in last seasons run in and his experience is proving invaluable ... rupes please take note thats EXPERIENCE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 What the **** have the coaches been doing for best part of 18 months that only now is JE played up front & leading from that position? Can anyone else remember JE scoring Wimbledon debut against Saints under Merrington 2-1 win at palace think Shipperley scored both ours I can as I won a crate of beer on the radio naming Euell as the scorer of that goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 And his performances should be judged against the backdrop of the attempts to run him out of the Club and having his salary leaked to the press. So fair play to Euell for being at the centre of this mini revival and fair play also to Wotte for recongnising his importance and perhaps even putting an arm around him and bringinh him in from the cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 And his performances should be judged against the backdrop of the attempts to run him out of the Club and having his salary leaked to the press. So fair play to Euell for being at the centre of this mini revival and fair play also to Wotte for recongnising his importance and perhaps even putting an arm around him and bringinh him in from the cold. You are better than that first comment - he knew, we all knew, that the club's finance's dictated that we needed him to move on. He couldn't find a decent offer (not surprisingly after last season) & decided (quite legitimately)to see his contract out. That is how it works in Planet Football Second comment 100% agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 You are better than that first comment - he knew, we all knew, that the club's finance's dictated that we needed him to move on. He couldn't find a decent offer (not surprisingly after last season) & decided (quite legitimately)to see his contract out. That is how it works in Planet Football Second comment 100% agree I'm sure he was aware that the club's finances dictated that he (and others) would probably need to go, but it was more the manner in which he and others were handled was what I was alluding to. In particular the way that his salary details were emblazoned over the local rag certainly didn't please him!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 What the **** have the coaches been doing for best part of 18 months that only now is JE played up front & leading from that position? Can anyone else remember JE scoring Wimbledon debut against Saints under Merrington 2-1 win at palace think Shipperley scored both ours Wimbledon Vs Saints Vs Palace? Was it a good game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 Is this the same Jason Mule that everyone was taking shots at last term we are talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 Wimbledon Vs Saints Vs Palace? Was it a good game? We won against the homeless dons on palace's ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 And his performances should be judged against the backdrop of the attempts to run him out of the Club and having his salary leaked to the press. So fair play to Euell for being at the centre of this mini revival and fair play also to Wotte for recongnising his importance and perhaps even putting an arm around him and bringinh him in from the cold. Absolutely. One of a number of players to have been treated disgracefully by Lowe. We saw at the end of last season under Pearson how useful he could be and now he's back in the side it seems his experience is proving extremely valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 so it was a bad thing the club tried to run this player out of the club? The same player who everyone HATED last year, if he HAD been run out of the club everyone would be saying he was ****e and good riddance. But now the fact that he has turned it around is another stick to beat the club with? You can't have it all ways. FWIW, I've said since the beginning that we should be playing him up front, finally one of our 'managers/coaches' has seen fit to play him there and the decision is paying dividends in that euell is playing well and it seems to have lifted the burden from McG's shoulders. Long may it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 I'm sure he was aware that the club's finances dictated that he (and others) would probably need to go, but it was more the manner in which he and others were handled was what I was alluding to. In particular the way that his salary details were emblazoned over the local rag certainly didn't please him!!!! Not classy I agree, but he was happy to whinge on on his website about why he had no idea why he was being forced out. It's just how it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 Lowe freezing him out for half a season may well have got us relegated. Doing the same to Rudi also made no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 Jason Euell has been immense over the last 2 games. I am thinking not so much of the way that he has led the line & helped Saga up front but more of the way he seems to be the leader on the field. Last week he seemed to be the one who gathered the team together & gave a pep talk once Preston had scored. This week he was every where in the last 15 minutes playing up front, in midfield and at one stage even in the back 4 . For so long we have lacked a leader on the park. In Euell we seem to have found one!! He's been brilliant the last two games ...and IMHO he would have been equally brilliant if we'd played him in that position from the start of the season (or indeed bothered to play him at all!!!) Well worth every penny we pay him if he helps save us from the drop My only worry is he does get booked (or sent off) tooooooo often for silly offences .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 Jason Euell was my man of the match yesterday, after Kelvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 1 March, 2009 Share Posted 1 March, 2009 Not classy I agree, but he was happy to whinge on on his website about why he had no idea why he was being forced out. It's just how it is I don't know what website you've been reading, because on his Official one he is quite clear that he is aware that he is being frozen out due to our financial position: " frozen out of the team, then left out of the squad entirely for last Saturday’s game at Barnsley, in the hope that I will be sold off to ease Southampton’s financial problems." To say he was whingeing about having no idea why he was being forced out is patently untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 I don't know what website you've been reading, because on his Official one he is quite clear that he is aware that he is being frozen out due to our financial position: " frozen out of the team, then left out of the squad entirely for last Saturday’s game at Barnsley, in the hope that I will be sold off to ease Southampton’s financial problems." To say he was whingeing about having no idea why he was being forced out is patently untrue. Sorry - you need to be a politician on here with a team of researchers to check all statements before releasing them. OK, he knew why he wasn't playing, but he was still whingeing. And he knew the club were freezing him out for a valid reason, not trying to 'run him out of the club' on a whim, and I guess if anyone had been mad enough to offer him something near the crazy salary he is on here he would have gone without a backward glance. It's just football. I'm happy he's back in the team - he's always been a tryer, even last season when he was sh1te - but don't try and turn everything to suit your agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 I don't know what website you've been reading, because on his Official one he is quite clear that he is aware that he is being frozen out due to our financial position: " frozen out of the team, then left out of the squad entirely for last Saturday’s game at Barnsley, in the hope that I will be sold off to ease Southampton’s financial problems." To say he was whingeing about having no idea why he was being forced out is patently untrue. Sorry - you need to be a politician on here with a team of researchers to check all statements before releasing them. OK, he knew why he wasn't playing, but he was still whingeing. And he knew the club were freezing him out for a valid reason, not trying to 'run him out of the club' on a whim, and I guess if anyone had been mad enough to offer him something near the crazy salary he is on here he would have gone without a backward glance. It's just football. I'm happy he's back in the team - he's always been a tryer, even last season when he was sh1te - but don't try and turn everything to suit your agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Is this the same Jason Euell who many on here thought was a donkey and wanted him OUT of the club not so long ago??? But hey, let's not stop that using him as yet another stick to beat the management with. I take it you didn't read that article in The Independent about finances then Steve, or do you leave the more serious newspapers for your nephew to read??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Sorry - you need to be a politician on here with a team of researchers to check all statements before releasing them. OK, he knew why he wasn't playing, but he was still whingeing. And he knew the club were freezing him out for a valid reason, not trying to 'run him out of the club' on a whim, and I guess if anyone had been mad enough to offer him something near the crazy salary he is on here he would have gone without a backward glance. It's just football. I'm happy he's back in the team - he's always been a tryer, even last season when he was sh1te - but don't try and turn everything to suit your agenda Why "freeze him out"? Use him if you are paying him - if they'd have found a buyer then ok, but it's the freezing out to p*ss someone off, resumably trying to get them to go somewhere on worse terms, is the bit I think is crazy, and, frankly, a bit immoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 His "awkwardness" keeps defences fully occupied which gives our midfielders and defenders chance to drop balls into the penalty box for Saga to run onto. This was evidenced a number of times on Saturday. He also seemed to have a good turn of pace on occassions as well as a decent shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Said we just needed a big strong striker next to Saga, but I didn't think we already had one. Need to keep those 2 together now for the rest of the season. And, if we stay up, we need to keep them both, and probably add another striker to them too. No point staying up if we're just going to force Saga, Euell, Davis and Skacel to leave. All look like they'd happily stay if playing each week and appreciated. All four have a lot to offer our team. 4 highly paid players isn't exactly many is it. It's not about playing each week and being appreciated. It's about money - they are all earning about £10K a week at present - the most we could reasonably offer is a half of that & you can be sure their agents will be seeing what else is on offer. And it's not only 4 players is it. There's Rasiak, Davis, Thomas & BWP all on top wages, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Ok hes not been the greatest signing Saints have ever made, but credit where its due in the last "must win" games he has been fantastic and exactly what we need at the moment, so fair play to him long may it continue as it could be the difference between us staying up or going down! When preston scored last weekend he was the one that got the players together and you could see him geeing them up, this is what we need leaders on the pitch someone to grab us by the balls and squeeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekelund24 Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 He retains possession when the ball is played upfront and always finds one of our players with his lay off, which is something we have been lacking with McGoldrick upfront (who looks a much better player behind the front two) on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Is this the same Jason Euell who many on here thought was a donkey and wanted him OUT of the club not so long ago??? But hey, let's not stop that using him as yet another stick to beat the management with. I take it you didn't read that article in The Independent about finances then Steve, or do you leave the more serious newspapers for your nephew to read???It is amusing the stick I got supporting JE and KD last season and now look at it now. You wait DMG will turn them around as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 4 players we'd be looking to keep. I included Davis in the four, Rasiak will sign for Watford I'd imagine and BWP and Thomas aren't worth the money. So 4 players on a larger wage. 4 players that make a huge difference between being woeful and doing okay. I don't see why they wouldn't accept a little less money given how far we've fallen since they first signed. It's ridiculous for Barclays or the board to let them go to save money when it would ensure relegation, which would obviously cost more money. I understand we had little choice but to reduce wages, but we currently have a good striker on loan to a relegation rival. How ridiculous is that?There must be something about Rasiak, he scored quite a few goals but lost a great deal of respect when he went all stroppy when AS wanted to take a pen a couple of seasons back.At present we have a team spirit, I respectfully suggest that Rasiak is not one that helps that.he also may score goals but it may be at the cost of his striking partners as he does not add to that.(I did see he set up a goal saturday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Sorry - you need to be a politician Suggesting you need to be a politician may not be a good analogy, given their record on turthfulness. But quite simply, if you're going to accuse Euell of things, then you could at least try and get them right, particularly in this case where the original claim was so clear cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 It is amusing the stick I got supporting JE and KD last season and now look at it now. You wait DMG will turn them around as well. TBF both were hopeless, certainly around mid-season (towards the end of the Burley reign and during the Dodd, Gorman period). TBH, I didn't ever want to see JE in Saints shirt again, after the Bristol Rovers cup game. However, after Pearson came in, Euell's form did pick up and as we know, KD got injured and Wright came in, the rest is history. This season, KD has been generally excellent but JE obviously wasn't fancied by Lowe or Poortvliet because Lowe couldn't wait to get rid and JP hardly ever picked him. Now at least Wotte seems to have a free hand about who actually plays in the team and he sees that JE has plenty to offer (especially at centre forward, which was always his best position) and JE has responded with some really decent performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 (edited) Lowe freezing him out for half a season may well have got us relegated. Doing the same to Rudi also made no sense whatsoever. Lowe freezing him out for half a season may stop up going into administration and being relegated, que sera sera. Incidentally my Dad met one of the Charlton coaches on holiday and talked about JE. He said if you "put your arm around him he'll give his all to you". I don't think it was a gay thing.... Edited 2 March, 2009 by Alain Perrin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Absolutly , I had him down as man of the match - and I don't even like him ! So what's he gonna have to do to make you like him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Is this the same Jason Mule that everyone was taking shots at last term we are talking about? some people did back him last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 TBF both were hopeless, certainly around mid-season (towards the end of the Burley reign and during the Dodd, Gorman period). TBH, I didn't ever want to see JE in Saints shirt again, after the Bristol Rovers cup game. However, after Pearson came in, Euell's form did pick up and as we know, KD got injured and Wright came in, the rest is history. This season, KD has been generally excellent but JE obviously wasn't fancied by Lowe or Poortvliet because Lowe couldn't wait to get rid and JP hardly ever picked him. Now at least Wotte seems to have a free hand about who actually plays in the team and he sees that JE has plenty to offer (especially at centre forward, which was always his best position) and JE has responded with some really decent performances.All in your opinion. I cited loads of occasions during that season where KD's briliance had won us points.Many were too blinkered to see it though.JE also and his last second goal away at Wolves got peoples hope back. Neither are the best players that have ever worn our shirt but like Crouch, Fuller JE KD they have gone on to prove the knockers how wrong they were, DMG will do the same mark my words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 I cited loads of occasions during that season where KD's briliance had won us points. Can't remember too many of those. He caused us to lose more points than gain more points. You are of course correct that that is IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Can't remember too many of those. He caused us to lose more points than gain more points. You are of course correct that that is IMO.He made 2 terrible blunders.1 against PNE from a free kick his first season and QPR home where he got caught with the ball.Many games last season he was motm especially in away games. The main save i remember was at SMS when he got his fingetips to a shot from Lee Hendry when it was 0-0 against stoke. We went onto win by a single goal but it tilted the game in ourt favour.There were a lot more occasions but they all blur into 1 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 It's not about playing each week and being appreciated. It's about money - they are all earning about £10K a week at present - the most we could reasonably offer is a half of that & you can be sure their agents will be seeing what else is on offer. And it's not only 4 players is it. There's Rasiak, Davis, Thomas & BWP all on top wages, too 10K a week is fair for a Championship player. The reason we are in the financial poo is that attendances have dropped (so our revenues have dropped) because we have been leaving out (freezing out?) the better players and going with lower quality cheaper options. Results have been poor, so attendances have been poor. And the lower grade players have been plentiful; even some we have rarely seen - Pulis, Smith et al. Too many mouths to feed at the club, so the wages bill has been too high. I'd sooner have fewer players but on a higher salary (so better quality) than a huge squad of mediocrity. 20 good players earning £10k a week, is better than 40 players earning £5k a week - all IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 (edited) 10K a week is fair for a Championship player. Oh no it isn't, the average wage in the championship last year was £197K/annum, ie less than 4K/week. Believe me 10K players are the exception and not the rule.You just cannot support that sort of pay and the nigh on 13% NHS charges on top of it on 20/21K gates even. With the League discussing a 60% cap on our current revenue we'd be allowed a budget of about 8 million for salaries (players and coaches). That would mean an average of about 4K across the board, so if that cap ever comes into being you can wave goodbye to your 10K lads. Rupert doesn't believe in the cap but he believes a 60% ceiling is about right. Edited 2 March, 2009 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Oh no it isn't, the average wage in the championship last year was £197K/annum, ie less than 4K/week. Believe me 10K players are the exception and not the rule.You just cannot support that sort of pay and the nigh on 13% NHS charges on top of it on 20/21K gates even. Key word there is average, surely. Some of the academy players are probably only on about £1k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 When he's good, he's really good and the last 2 games have proved that he looks as though he could play a major hand in whether we finish this season as a Championship team. His partnership with Saga has given us a front line who look to have chance of keeping us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Oh no it isn't, the average wage in the championship last year was £197K/annum, ie less than 4K/week. Believe me 10K players are the exception and not the rule.You just cannot support that sort of pay and the nigh on 13% NHS charges on top of it on 20/21K gates even. With the League discussing a 60% cap on our current revenue we'd be allowed a budget of about 8 million for salaries (players and coaches). That would mean an average of about 4K across the board, so if that cap ever comes into being you can wave goodbye to your 10K lads. Rupert doesn't believe in the cap but he believes a 60% ceiling is about right. Have you seen a new survey, because I'm sure the number you are quoting are for the one undertaken 3 years ago by The Independent and the PFA (£195,750)???? Would be interested to see if there has been any movement from the 2006 survey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Suggesting you need to be a politician may not be a good analogy, given their record on turthfulness. But quite simply, if you're going to accuse Euell of things, then you could at least try and get them right, particularly in this case where the original claim was so clear cut. Maybe, but I hope you can see the point I'm making Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 March, 2009 Share Posted 2 March, 2009 Maybe, but I hope you can see the point I'm making I'm afraid I can't!! You accused him of being happy to have a whinge on his website about why he had no idea why he was being forced out, and this wasn't the case at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc6mufc3 Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Who have thought that Euell would be the answer to our problems - I understand that there are many others in team that have contributed but he stands out for me. Never before last night had he scored twice in one game for Saints - he last did this in the league for Charlton in May 04 v Leeds. Scored twice last night, crossed for the pen v Cardiff and somebody will confirm this but must have played some part in the goals v Preston. Keep going Jason - your club needs you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Good to see he has taken the bad vibes from within the club and basically stuck his two fingers up at them. Always wanted to see him play a more attackers role - I guess memories of him have always been as an attacker. Unsure when he seem to revert to a midfield role, but glasd to see him back up front and also playing his heart out. Dare I say it - i've seen some of our players smile in the last few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 What goes round comes round. It seems that all members of the team have their spells when people are on their backs and calling them sh1te and then months, or even weeks later, they are the heroes - and so on. You can probably go through every member of the current team and see that (maybe Size is the only one with an unblemished record). Its only a matter of time before members of the current team of heroes are being pilloried again. At the moment Euell is doing a great job - almost the Heskey front figure, but with the engine to cover in midfield and defence when needed - as it is. Lets hope we can keep him going, fit and uninjured, and that when the time comes we can reach a sensible contract agreement to keep him here and motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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