Gingeletiss Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Page 20 of todays Echo...'An end to the Saints conspiracy'. It appears no-one, and I mean no-one, deferred their wages. No-one offered to, and no-one took a a wage cut. They, our so called players, are a f*cking disgrace, get rid of the lot I say. Bucket collections...£13,000, enough to pay Euell for one week. As the man says.....'seen leaving the stadium in their £2,000 suits, heading for their£50,000 cars, not a one opened up his Gucci wallet, when the club was most needing.:mad::mad: On this indictment alone, I could give up the 'Beautiful' game for good:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I thought Jason Euell & Kelvin Davis did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 No suprise, mercenaries or employees doing a job and expecting to be paid ? I use the term doing a job, for some, very loosely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 8 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Echo says they did not, it was bullsh*t...words to that effect anyway:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
instinct Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 to be fair everyone lives to their means, obviously they will have much larger mortgages / more expenisve lifestyle to maintain... but its a bit rich expecting the fans to pay their wages considereing they typically earn a lot less and have already spent thousands of the years on tickets, pies and programmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 What happens then if they get fined a couple of weeks wages they have to go without pay then regardless of their mortgages. If I were the club I would have fined the lot of them one weeks wages for their disgraceful performance at Sheffield Wednesday when they all knew that it was a winnable game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 to be fair everyone lives to their means, obviously they will have much larger mortgages / more expenisve lifestyle to maintain... but its a bit rich expecting the fans to pay their wages considereing they typically earn a lot less and have already spent thousands of the years on tickets, pies and programmes McGoldrick lives a few doors up from me in a normal end of terrace house, so he cant use that as an excuse! he does have a nice BMW parked outside so maybe thats were his wages go? feel like going up there and asking him wot he thinks about money people have collected going to pay for his petrol :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Echo says they did not, it was bullsh*t...words to that effect anyway:mad: If it's in the Echo it must be true eh!!:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 It really is a disgrace, and to think the fans stood and clapped those ******s at the end of the forest game makes it even worse. Whats a week or 2 wages to them? they sttod by and left it to the fans to pass buckets collecting their wages, **** em, they are scum as far as i'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 McGoldrick lives a few doors up from me in a normal end of terrace house, so he cant use that as an excuse! he does have a nice BMW parked outside so maybe thats were his wages go? feel like going up there and asking him wot he thinks about money people have collected going to pay for his petrol :mad: Remeber George Best's famous quote. "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Remeber George Best's famous quote. "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." Ialways thought it was Frank Worthington (Saints legend!) who claimed to have spent his money on, 'birds, booze and betting, the rest I just wasted'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Didnt the Echo report that KD and JE offered to defer their wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Ialways thought it was Frank Worthington (Saints legend!) who claimed to have spent his money on, 'birds, booze and betting, the rest I just wasted'. Nope definitely George Best as above. Frank Worthington might have done so as well though. Best's quote were always a bit of a laugh though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Not anywhere near "a disgrace" IMHO. Why should they be any different to any other employee of a company in financial difficulty? It is not as if they are all mega rich superstars. Some may be better placed to give up some money than others, but what would you do faced with the prospect of no contract and no wages at all in a few weeks time? I expect you would try to accumulate as much as possible before that happens, not give it up. To them its a job, to us it is something that invokes irrational thoughts and emotions (bit like a girlfriend :-) ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Can't blame them, they might be out of a job this time next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 how many of you would defer wages for the company you work for? I know i wouldn't - instead of looking at the players we should look to those who agreed to pay the likes of Euell £10k a week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Can't blame them, they might be out of a job this time next week. and we may be without a club!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Page 20 of todays Echo...'An end to the Saints conspiracy'. It appears no-one, and I mean no-one, deferred their wages. No-one offered to, and no-one took a a wage cut. They, our so called players, are a f*cking disgrace, get rid of the lot I say. Bucket collections...£13,000, enough to pay Euell for one week. As the man says.....'seen leaving the stadium in their £2,000 suits, heading for their£50,000 cars, not a one opened up his Gucci wallet, when the club was most needing.:mad::mad: On this indictment alone, I could give up the 'Beautiful' game for good:mad: I have been saying this for ages and deferral is next to useless as it just ramps up the debt. Donations please.......Mike Osman are you listening? Some us fantastic fans feel like the p1ss is being taken out of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Not anywhere near "a disgrace" IMHO. Why should they be any different to any other employee of a company in financial difficulty? It is not as if they are all mega rich superstars. Some may be better placed to give up some money than others, but what would you do faced with the prospect of no contract and no wages at all in a few weeks time? I expect you would try to accumulate as much as possible before that happens, not give it up. To them its a job, to us it is something that invokes irrational thoughts and emotions (bit like a girlfriend :-) ). I suppose for starters I would try a bit harder to put myself in the shop window for new employers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 and we may be without a club!!!That is not the players fault, so why should they pick up the tab? You can blame them for all sorts of things - including being crap or having a sh!t attitute - but you can't blame them for poor financial management and you can't blame them for picking up the wages the people who signed them agreed to pay for their services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 This was discussed by Mark & Stuart Dennis on Wednesday evening, I was surprised that no-one on here started a thread about it yesterday – I can’t ‘cause I’m too tight to stump up a fiver. Mark Dennis was apoplectic that none of the players had offered to defer. They interviewed someone from the Echo about this who said that the reported cuts by Euell & Davies was just media hype & completely untrue. He said that SFC had approached other Chanpionship clubs for advice (why?), and were advised that it would be bad for morale – (if they’ve played with high morale for the last few weeks Christ knows where we’d finished if the players had been upset – bless’em. For my part, I’d have thought the senior players should have OFFERED to take a pay cut, not wait to be asked by the club, administrator, whoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Beats me what the righteous indignation is about, we shouldn't have told them we'd pay them that much money in the first place, should we ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I suppose for starters I would try a bit harder to put myself in the shop window for new employers....but would you give up your wages (or even some of them)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 If I was working for a company that was going out of business there is no way I'd defer my wages. I would insist on being paid properly as when the company went under I would know I'd get nothing. I'd also start looking for a job elsewhere. Also, like most people, I live to my means. I get paid more than many, but that doesn't mean I've got lots of money sitting around. I need the money I get every month to pay the bills that maintain the lifestyle I have. If I deferred my wages, I'd miss payments on my house and my family's standard of living would drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 If I was working for a company that was going out of business there is no way I'd defer my wages. I would insist on being paid properly as when the company went under I would know I'd get nothing. I'd also start looking for a job elsewhere. Also, like most people, I live to my means. I get paid more than many, but that doesn't mean I've got lots of money sitting around. I need the money I get every month to pay the bills that maintain the lifestyle I have. If I deferred my wages, I'd miss payments on my house and my family's standard of living would drop. Be a dear and lend me a tenner will ya'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Can't say I'm surprised and even more reason for a total clear out from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 This was discussed by Mark & Stuart Dennis on Wednesday evening, I was surprised that no-one on here started a thread about it yesterday – I can’t ‘cause I’m too tight to stump up a fiver. Mark Dennis was apoplectic that none of the players had offered to defer. They interviewed someone from the Echo about this who said that the reported cuts by Euell & Davies was just media hype & completely untrue. He said that SFC had approached other Chanpionship clubs for advice (why?), and were advised that it would be bad for morale – (if they’ve played with high morale for the last few weeks Christ knows where we’d finished if the players had been upset – bless’em. For my part, I’d have thought the senior players should have OFFERED to take a pay cut, not wait to be asked by the club, administrator, whoever. Mark Dennis is apoplectic about almost anything! No wonder they're shutting the show down. Last night is tonight, I think. It's good to be passionate, but he acts like he's in the pub with his mates, and has a strong (right-wing) opinion on everything and anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sun of spain Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 He said that SFC had approached other Chanpionship clubs for advice (why?), and were advised that it would be bad for morale – (if they’ve played with high morale for the last few weeks Christ knows where we’d finished if the players had been upset – bless’em. More brilliant management,asking other clubs their opinions.Symptomatic of the way our club has been run for a long long time,the lack of good management and common sense has near killed us !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 If I was working for a company that was going out of business there is no way I'd defer my wages. I would insist on being paid properly as when the company went under I would know I'd get nothing. I'd also start looking for a job elsewhere. Also, like most people, I live to my means. I get paid more than many, but that doesn't mean I've got lots of money sitting around. I need the money I get every month to pay the bills that maintain the lifestyle I have. If I deferred my wages, I'd miss payments on my house and my family's standard of living would drop. But doesn't football have that rather unfair rule that, in the event of bankruptcy, football debts - like players' wages - get paid first? The worst that could happen for the players is their wages are paid by the PFA. Still, that's easy for me to say I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I think this is all ridiculous. I can't see why we should expect them to defer, and maybe they haven't even been asked too. They may also be looking at darlington where all the players have just been layed off leaving a skeleton staff of five... and with that looming over you, as others have said, you'll take all the money you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Mark Dennis is apoplectic about almost anything! No wonder they're shutting the show down. Last night is tonight, I think. It's good to be passionate, but he acts like he's in the pub with his mates, and has a strong (right-wing) opinion on everything and anything. Fair enough, I've never heard the show before, the radio was left tuned in from the game on Sunday & I couldn't be arsed to change it. He may be right wing, but in this case I agree with him (for the record I've always voted Labour Hmmmm... :confused:). I'm sure anyone earning £8K and above could spare a little cash from their coffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 who on here donated their wages to the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Nope definitely George Best as above. Frank Worthington might have done so as well though. Best's quote were always a bit of a laugh though. Allegedly, Best spent a long night at a hotel in London, 'entertaining' the then Miss World. When the bell boy brought breakfast in the morning he found empty champagne bottles everywhere with banknotes spread all over the bed. He allegedly asked Best 'Georgie, where did it all go wrong?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 who on here donated their wages to the club? I like many others on here bought tickets to give away to fans to help the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 The majority of our players are ****s. I hope they all **** off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 The majority of our players are ****s. I hope they all **** off. I tell yuo one thing that the lads who played the forum match showed total commitment and gave their all and paid for the privilage.The football was just as entertaining as they were enjoying themselves and still entertained. The pride of wearing the shirt was really evident. Play a team of Sotonian's/fans if we do go bust and perhaps there will be a club we could be proud of again.Stipulate they have to be from that and see what we can do, if it goes t### up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Without wanting to get all judgemental I think this is one of the reasons why people didn't contribute to the bucket collections. Who wants to see their donated money go to people who already earn a comparitively high wage? I think if it had been stressed that it would go to non-playing staff then there would have been more raised. I'd agree though that I don't think we can blame players for not deferring their wages - it would have been a nice gesture and would have helped a lot though. Good job there's no player testimonial this year eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Without wanting to get all judgemental I think this is one of the reasons why people didn't contribute to the bucket collections. Who wants to see their donated money go to people who already earn a comparitively high wage? I think if it had been stressed that it would go to non-playing staff then there would have been more raised. I'd agree though that I don't think we can blame players for not deferring their wages - it would have been a nice gesture and would have helped a lot though. Good job there's no player testimonial this year eh? They've all had one this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 ...but would you give up your wages (or even some of them)? TBH football is a completely different business to most that people on here work for. 1. the employees are grosly overpayed for there amount of output. 2. how many customers of other businesses would put there hands in there pockets to pay the employees wages. Imo I think they should have at least donated to the coffers as these wages were payed by the customers! I bet that didn't happen with Woolworths!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Nobody would defer their wages working in a normal job. However, football is different, they would have to receive every penny they are owed back due to the football creditors rule. If Woolies or MFI staff had defered their wages, they would now be creditors and chances are would have lost most of what was owed. Whatever our players defered would have been paid back in full. With football being a very short career, provisions will have been made for their future and money saved up for their long retirement. They therefore do not need every penny to live day to day, like most of us do.They could have defered some of this, safe in the knowledge that they would get it all back. They could have easily defered half their wages and suffered no hardship, the fact none of them did confirms what I've thought of this sorry lot for a number of months.Players from other Clubs have done this in the past, the fact that not one ppears to have done so, shows them in a very poor light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 ...but would you give up your wages (or even some of them)? Depends if my career depended it on or the roof over my family's head. Honda, Mini, much of the haulage industry are all giving up a full time salary and pay cuts. Whichever way you try to justify it, it doesn't look good on the club or the players especially when they have been looking for donations. Sorry, but it is very wrong and more should have been done in house by the club before passing round the begging bowl. My feelings on this have been the same since before Nick Illingsworth swung his first bucket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Page 20 of todays Echo...'An end to the Saints conspiracy'. It appears no-one, and I mean no-one, deferred their wages. No-one offered to, and no-one took a a wage cut. They, our so called players, are a f*cking disgrace, get rid of the lot I say. Bucket collections...£13,000, enough to pay Euell for one week. As the man says.....'seen leaving the stadium in their £2,000 suits, heading for their£50,000 cars, not a one opened up his Gucci wallet, when the club was most needing.:mad::mad: On this indictment alone, I could give up the 'Beautiful' game for good:mad: Welcome to the modern world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Mark Dennis is apoplectic about almost anything! No wonder they're shutting the show down. Last night is tonight, I think. It's good to be passionate, but he acts like he's in the pub with his mates, and has a strong (right-wing) opinion on everything and anything. I think the fact that no one started a thread during or after his show on the same subject suggests he is not actually getting any listeners. To be honest Radio Hampshire is in serious decline IMO and not helped by David Armstrong's match day coverage, truly awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 If it's in the Echo it must be true eh!!:cool: Actually the article was written by Ian Murray the editor who also reveals that following the Echo reporting on the "fan in the street" confrontations a few Saints players refused to talk to the Echo. Murray may not be the most popular of men but I happen to think he is telling the truth on this occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I think the fact that no one started a thread during or after his show on the same subject suggests he is not actually getting any listeners. To be honest Radio Hampshire is in serious decline IMO and not helped by David Armstrong's match day coverage, truly awful. Perhaps our new owners should branch out into Radio and give us the coverage we deserve. What a visionary move that would be............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Actually the article was written by Ian Murray the editor who also reveals that following the Echo reporting on the "fan in the street" confrontations a few Saints players refused to talk to the Echo. Murray may not be the most popular of men but I happen to think he is telling the truth on this occasion. FWIW Duncan I have been asking the Echo to investigate this issue and more and also have contacted the club to explain how they are managing donations and reducing costs to teh bare minimum internally. Apart from one brief brush off and a 'I'll try and get back to you on the other points' a big fat zero. It's all a bit too late and should have been done a month ago. Its Robin Hood acting as collector for a bunch of Nottinghams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 how many of you would defer wages for the company you work for? I know i wouldn't - instead of looking at the players we should look to those who agreed to pay the likes of Euell £10k a week... Er, how about the workers of: Honda Toyota Jaguar Land Rover Nissan Thousands of component manufacturers Thousands of upholstery manufacturers Thousands of rivet makers Thousands of steel makers And the other million or more workes who have taken a pay cut to save their jobs. If the choice is no job or a wage cut, millions and millions the world over chose the latter. But because someone agreed to pay Euell 15k a week to play like a ballerina with a broken toe it's ok for him to collect??? You need a reality check mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 who on here donated their wages to the club? Er, me. Thirty years and about £30 grand I reckon. Anyone else??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Perhaps our new owners should branch out into Radio and give us the coverage we deserve. What a visionary move that would be............... No - just provide match day commentary and analysis via the OS. How difficult would that be? Talking about visionary - try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Er, how about the workers of: Honda Toyota Jaguar Land Rover Nissan Thousands of component manufacturers Thousands of upholstery manufacturers Thousands of rivet makers Thousands of steel makers And the other million or more workes who have taken a pay cut to save their jobs. If the choice is no job or a wage cut, millions and millions the world over chose the latter. But because someone agreed to pay Euell 15k a week to play like a ballerina with a broken toe it's ok for him to collect??? You need a reality check mate. A post that requires genuine applause. (Scally please advise your brother to choose his words more carefully). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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