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    Ajax 2-3 now

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    They surely won't get 2 back, so need some Europa upsets now.

    Incidentally West Ham are set to pick a weakened team for their game.

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    Ajax next round then so we can complete the Dutch odyssey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by positivepete View Post
    Ajax next round then so we can complete the Dutch odyssey.
    Still reckon enough higher seeded teams will lose in the Europa League allowing us to be seeded. Ajax in the group stages would be good though.

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    Apoel and Zagreb not enough to make us seeded?

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    Sampdoria are as good as out in the Europa, effectively cancelling out the Ajax result (even before we discuss other possible Europa upsets). All depends on tmrw's remaining CL fixtures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Apoel and Zagreb not enough to make us seeded?
    We need 22 unseeded teams below us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc_saint View Post
    Still reckon enough higher seeded teams will lose in the Europa League allowing us to be seeded. Ajax in the group stages would be good though.
    Plus Dortmund and we can have a real party....

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc_saint View Post
    Ajax in the group stages would be good though.
    It almost has an inevitably about it, collecting Dutch teams in our early season games. Could we even get PSV once they come 3rd in the CL Group stages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    It almost has an inevitably about it, collecting Dutch teams in our early season games. Could we even get PSV once they come 3rd in the CL Group stages?
    Not forgetting Groningen are in the group stages

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    To be honest the Dutch teams are good to face, decent pitches, play proper football, not too physical and we have better players than all their teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Charlie View Post
    To be honest the Dutch teams are good to face, decent pitches, play proper football, not too physical and we have better players than all their teams.
    Most importantly, they can't defend for ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashleyb5443 View Post
    You seem to be the only one getting a reply from them......

    Has anyone on here received their tickets?
    Not received the tickets and on the train to Gatwick at 8.10 in the morning but I have received the same email so will collect from ground on morning of the game.

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    Time for an in-context update re: Play Off Round seedings:

    If there are 22 teams with a lower seeding than Saints we'll be seeded in the Play-Off round (if we're in it).
    There will be 15 CL 3rd QR losers and 29 EL 3rd QR winners in the PO Round.

    The following teams will definitely be ranked below Saints in the Europa League Play Off Round (ELPOR), if there are 22 of them, Saints will be seeded.

    Confirmed:
    1. Kairat OR Aberdeen
    2. Žilina OR Vorskla Poltava
    3. Debrecen OR Rosenborg
    4. Thun OR Vaduz
    5. Belenenses OR IFK Göteborg
    6. Charleroi OR Zorya Luhansk
    7. Elfsborg OR Odds
    8. Apollon Limassol OR Gabala
    9. AIK OR Atromitos
    10. Brøndby OR Omonia Nicosia
    11. Hajduk Split OR Strømsgodset
    12. Krasnodar OR Slovan Bratislava
    13. Milsami Orhei OR Skënderbeu Korçë
    14. HJK Finland OR Astana
    15. Midtjylland (lost to APOEL in CL 3QR)
    16. Molde (lost to Dinamo Zagreb in CL 3QR)

    In addition, West Ham have the same ranking as Saints, whilst Astra Giurgiu are lower than Saints - that one will be for UEFA to decide but ideally an Astra win (though in the long run England's coeffecient might take a kicking).

    So we need another 5 or 6 results to go in our favour. They need to come from the following matches:

    CL 3QR - losers into (ELPOR) - in these 4 matches we need results to go with form as we don't want high ranked teams dropping into the ELPOR.
    Qarabağ if they lose to Celtic (Qarabag 0-1 but at home tomorrow)
    Partizan if they lose to Steaua (1-1, with Partizan at home tomorrow)
    Videoton if they lose to BATE Borisov (1-1, with Videoton away tomorrow)
    Malmö if they lose to RB Salzburg (Malmo 0-2, but home tomorrow).

    Europa League 3rd Qualifying Round (winners into ELPOR) - IF the 4 matches above go with form, we need one (or two if West Ham are above us) of the Europa League games to go against form for us to be seeded. However, for every match above that doesn't go to form, we need an additional team from the left column in the list below to win as well. Leading sides in bold.

    Dinamo Minsk if they beat FC Zurich (Minsk 1-0 up with home leg to play)
    İstanbul Başakşehir if they beat AZ Alkmaar (Alkmaar 2-0 up with away leg to play)
    AEK Larnaca if they beat Bordeaux (Bordeaux 3-0 up with away to play)
    Spartak Trnava if they beat PAOK (PAOK 1-0 up with away to play)
    Târgu Mureș if they beat St Etienne (St Etienne 3-0 up with home to play, forget this!)
    Jablonec if they beat FC Copenhagen (Copenhagen 1-0 up with home to play)
    Vojvodina if they beat Sampdoria (Vojvodina 4-0 up with home to play, mental, but that's all but +1)
    Kukësi if they beat Legia Warsaw (Legia 3-0 up - awarded, with home to play, forget this one)
    Sturm Graz if they beat Rubin Kazan (Rubin 3-2 up with home to play)
    Ironi Kiryat Shmona if they beat Slovan Liberec (Liberec 2-1 up with away to play)
    Wolfsberger if they beat Borussia Dortmund (Dortmund 1-0 up with home to play)
    Željezničar if they beat Standard Liege (Liege 2-1 up with away to play)
    Inter Baku if they beat Athletic Bilbao (At. Bilbao 2-0 up with away to play)
    Rabotnički if they beat Trabzonspor (Rabotnicki 1-0 up with away to play)
    Rheindorf Altach if they beat Vitoria Guimaraes (Altach 2-1 up with away to play)

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    Ajax eliminated from the Champions League. That's our opponent in the next Europa League qualifying round decided, then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc_saint View Post
    Not forgetting Groningen are in the group stages
    So thats Ajax in the PO, Groningen in the Groups and PSV in the round of 32. Excellent, sorted :-)
    Perhaps then we can step up to the Germans and then the Spanish in the SF and F.

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    So it's about 50:50 as to whether we're seeded or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallana's Left Peg View Post
    So it's about 50:50 as to whether we're seeded or not?
    Seems so yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallana's Left Peg View Post
    So it's about 50:50 as to whether we're seeded or not?
    Basically, yeah. Right on the borderline - and not helping is that we have the same coefficient as West Ham and it is implied that there's a countback on previous years which would presumably favour them having qualified for Europe more recently. Though if they lose to Astra, problem solved.

    With Vojvodina 4-0 up against Sampdoria, as long as the CL games go to form we could be only one upset away come Thursday (as long as it's not us! ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1576 View Post
    Not received the tickets and on the train to Gatwick at 8.10 in the morning.
    Keep a look out for my good buddy, Hector. Red faced bloke in his 60's with spiked up hair.

    Wake him up at Gatwick.

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    Its going to be Ajax. Just know it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallana's Left Peg View Post
    So it's about 50:50 as to whether we're seeded or not?
    It's better than 50/50 imo, closer to 60/40. There were quite a few shocks in the Europa (some of which were away wins) that haven't been matched by shocks in the CL (shocks in the Europa are good for us; shocks in the CL are bad). As long as there are more shocks in the Europa than the CL, we'll be seeded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1576 View Post
    Not received the tickets and on the train to Gatwick at 8.10 in the morning but I have received the same email so will collect from ground on morning of the game.
    Did you email Vitesse first or did you just receive the email?

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    Whatever happens I'll be waiting for The9's update, quick decision as whether I want to go (is it close/easy to get to/will we go further and get a better or more interesting team etc.). Then I may join the rest of you with the easyjet/Ryanair/BA/Eurostar/ferry websites open in different tabs trying to book travel. Then worry about the ticket!

    I'm just going to wait until after Thursday (Tranmere, Watford...shudders)..

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    Quote Originally Posted by South City Si View Post
    Did you email Vitesse first or did you just receive the email?
    I emailed first.

    Their reply was.....

    Thank you for your email.

    The tickets which you have ordered, have been send to your address.

    If you did not receive the tickets, you can come at the matchday to the Servicedesk in our fanshop from 10.00 hours till 18.00 hours or from 18.00 hours at our Servicedesk at the ticket sale (desk 5 and 6).

    Please bring your ID card/passport and the confirmation email which you received after your ordered the tickets.

    We will print you a duplicate of the tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by South City Si View Post
    Did you email Vitesse first or did you just receive the email?
    I emailed just to say I hadn't received the tickets and would I be able to collect from the stadium on the day of the game. This is the response I got.

    The tickets which you have ordered, have been send to your address.
    If you did not receive the tickets, you can come at the matchday to the Servicedesk in our fanshop from 10.00 hours till 18.00 hours or from 18.00 hours at our Servicedesk at the ticket sale (desk 5 and 6).
    Please bring your ID card/passport and the confirmation email which you received after your ordered the tickets.
    We will print you a duplicate of the tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    It's better than 50/50 imo, closer to 60/40. There were quite a few shocks in the Europa (some of which were away wins) that haven't been matched by shocks in the CL (shocks in the Europa are good for us; shocks in the CL are bad). As long as there are more shocks in the Europa than the CL, we'll be seeded.
    I think it's less likely than that. We need 6 results. Currently 3 are going our way in the CL (of 4) and 5 are going our way in the EL (of 15) including Astra over West Ham, and Vojvodina which is all but bolted on. But in the CL matches there's only 1 goal in it in 2 of those 3.

    Celtic, Steaua, BATE and Red Bull Salzburg could do us a favour by winning their ties tomorrow, leaving only 2 of those 15 EL match upsets to be required (or 2 of the 4 currently in the process of being an upset, if you're looking at it a different way).

    But unless Steaua pull their finger out and beat Partizan I think we're going to need at least 3 upsets in the EL of the 4 currently in place. There are currently two possible upsets which are only 1 goal up with the away leg to play - and 3 others who are currently losing but might turn it around and are only 1 down with a home leg to play.

    It's not much more than 52/48.

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    Thanks guys have sent a quick email so hope will get same response. Got an away ticket one of the group hasn't so will have 2 others (got 3) to get rid of as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suewhistle View Post
    Whatever happens I'll be waiting for The9's update, quick decision as whether I want to go (is it close/easy to get to/will we go further and get a better or more interesting team etc.). Then I may join the rest of you with the easyjet/Ryanair/BA/Eurostar/ferry websites open in different tabs trying to book travel. Then worry about the ticket!

    I'm just going to wait until after Thursday (Tranmere, Watford...shudders)..
    I'll be on my phone unless I risk the laptop in my hand luggage... current (annoying) plans seem to have us pointlessly headed for Amsterdam mid-morning on Friday. Three problems with this: 1) the draw 2) my hangover 3) we don't have train tickets to Amsterdam, only Schiphol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1576 View Post
    I emailed just to say I hadn't received the tickets and would I be able to collect from the stadium on the day of the game. This is the response I got.

    The tickets which you have ordered, have been send to your address.
    If you did not receive the tickets, you can come at the matchday to the Servicedesk in our fanshop from 10.00 hours till 18.00 hours or from 18.00 hours at our Servicedesk at the ticket sale (desk 5 and 6

    Please bring your ID card/passport and the confirmation email which you received after your ordered the tickets.
    We will print you a duplicate of the tickets.
    NB There is a fan shop in centre of Arnhem not far from Saints fanzone which sells match tickets, so would think you could pick up tickets from there as well as stadium.


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    i'm likely to have a pair of tickets in the home end. Picking up in Amsterdam. PM me if interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Its going to be Ajax. Just know it
    Was at the game and when walking around the Arena we were thinking how fantastic it would be if Saints could draw Ajax in a future Champions League fixture, not even thinking they'd get knocked out and go into the Europa.. Now it could be a possibility. Would be fantastic, but hopefully not until the group stages!

    Lots of people talking about Southampton over here too, which I was surprised about. Sorry, no, I mean Soushampton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldsarum View Post
    NB There is a fan shop in centre of Arnhem not far from Saints fanzone which sells match tickets, so would think you could pick up tickets from there as well as stadium.


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    That closed down last year and was moved back to the stadium

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    How many Saints fans are going without tickets? I might have at least 1 spare for the away end but won't know until I'm out there. Bit of a vague post but just lining up how easy I could shift it/them if that the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintscottofthenortham View Post
    How many Saints fans are going without tickets? I might have at least 1 spare for the away end but won't know until I'm out there. Bit of a vague post but just lining up how easy I could shift it/them if that the case.
    According to the Arnhem authorities in their press release yesterday they are expecting around 2000 saints fans. @saintsfccop the other day tweeted "upto 3000" (We obviously only have 1400 in the saints section)
    There still seems to be plenty of Saints fans on twitter looking for tickets. And with tickets ordered for the home sections not arriving in the post so far I think there will be plenty who will take them off your hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintscottofthenortham View Post
    How many Saints fans are going without tickets? I might have at least 1 spare for the away end but won't know until I'm out there. Bit of a vague post but just lining up how easy I could shift it/them if that the case.
    I will take as many tickets as you have got off your hands if they turn out to be spare - you wont have trouble shifting them

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintscottofthenortham View Post
    How many Saints fans are going without tickets? I might have at least 1 spare for the away end but won't know until I'm out there. Bit of a vague post but just lining up how easy I could shift it/them if that the case.
    Have PMd you

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    May have 2 in home end if they arrive today, if not will have to grab from Stadium, find the Drunk Monk flag at Korenmarket tomorrow if interested.

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    Less than 12 hours till I leave... Buzzing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by South City Si View Post
    May have 2 in home end if they arrive today, if not will have to grab from Stadium, find the Drunk Monk flag at Korenmarket tomorrow if interested.
    Nicely done.


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    West Ham qualified with a fair play wildcard, we qualified by league position and were exempt to the third qualifying round. Would that place us above West Ham in the seeding list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by derry View Post
    West Ham qualified with a fair play wildcard, we qualified by league position and were exempt to the third qualifying round. Would that place us above West Ham in the seeding list?
    The regulations don't refer to that.

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    2015-16 UEFA Europa League Regulations

    http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...9_DOWNLOAD.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by UEFA
    D.7 Equal coefficients
    If two or more clubs or associations are ranked equally, the following criteria are
    applied, in the order given, to determine their final rankings:
    ● their coefficients in the most recent of the seasons on which the rankings are
    based;
    ● their coefficients in the next most recent season in which they are not equal;
    ● drawing of lots.
    Bearing in mind both of us have the same ranking this season due to not having any previous European ranking points (and adopting the base England national coefficient which this season is 16.078 ). West Ham qualified more recently due to losing the 2006 FA Cup Final, so the first season counting backwards to meet "next most recent in which they are not equal" would be the last time those points counted, to give them more than us.

    In theory. They COULD say neither club has a recent enough historical record for it to count, and just draw lots if necessary.
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    They have Saints flags and Union Jacks flying around the main square in Arnhem already! Nice touch. Would post a picture if I could figure out how to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshValeSaint View Post
    They have Saints flags and Union Jacks flying around the main square in Arnhem already! Nice touch. Would post a picture if I could figure out how to.
    Click the picture icon next to the roll of film - Browse to the file or add the URL if it's already online elsewhere - it'll upload it and host it on Saintsweb for you now as long as you leave the "Retrieve remote file and reference locally" tick box ticked.

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    Lots of saints fans in the Wetherspoons at Gatwick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The9 View Post
    2015-16 UEFA Europa League Regulations

    http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...9_DOWNLOAD.pdf



    Bearing in mind both of us have the same ranking this season due to not having any previous European ranking points (and adopting the base England national coefficient which this season is 16.078 ). West Ham qualified more recently due to losing the 2006 FA Cup Final, so the first season counting backwards to meet "next most recent in which they are not equal" would be the last time those points counted, to give them more than us.

    In theory. They COULD say neither club has a recent enough historical record for it to count, and just draw lots if necessary.
    Were there coefficients in 2006?

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    Leaving on the 7.15 from Gatwick tonight, cant wait !!!!! Look forward to seeing you all in Amsterdam / Arnhem.

    Look for the bloke with a Saints shirt on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by derry View Post
    West Ham qualified with a fair play wildcard, we qualified by league position and were exempt to the third qualifying round. Would that place us above West Ham in the seeding list?
    It does seem a tad odd that UEFA seemingly don't take the most obvious differentiating factor into account. Clubs that compete in later qualifying rounds are in those rounds precisely because, last season, they outperformed the teams in the earlier rounds, ergo they should be considered the better team when it comes to seeding. However, that would be logical and this is UEFA we are talking about

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    Quote Originally Posted by The9 View Post
    Click the picture icon next to the roll of film - Browse to the file or add the URL if it's already online elsewhere - it'll upload it and host it on Saintsweb for you now as long as you leave the "Retrieve remote file and reference locally" tick box ticked.
    Looks like they have been put up by the locals, if so they really are going out of their way to be very welcoming
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