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    https://www.validateuk.co.uk/about

    There we are; these people can produce a photo ID card for £15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    I will reply for him.

    Pony. The Electoral Commission is full of pinkoes and the people we have drained out of the swamp. Ignore what they say. Get an ID system in place and insist that chicks reveal their breast size. Only chicks with big talents should be allowed to vote.
    Would they have to prove their size at the polling station to make sure that there was no padding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doddisalegend View Post
    A new photo driving licence costs 34 quid assuming a new voter ID would have a similar cost. You want to spend £119000000 of public money to protect the country from electoral fraud. A problem so vast that two whole people have been convicted of it since 2017 pretty sure the country could spend that sort of money better elsewhere.

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    The authorities have trialled voter ID schemes in a number of areas and found that the number of eligible voters turned away, including those who didn’t subsequently return, far exceeded the numbers convicted of voter fraud - and we’re talking about multiples of hundreds, if not thousands, if rolled out and applied at a national level. The figures, if anything, on the conservative side as the areas in which IDs were trialled were not especially representative of the socioeconomic or ethnic mix of the rest of the country.

    The idea of free IDs is appealing in principle but it is no panacea in practice -leaving aside the cost to the taxpayer, they will still require paperwork and forms to be filled, creating further complexity which will put many off from applying. Past experience shows that some groups are disproportionately affected by changes in electoral rules given awareness and knowledge levels are not even across the population.

    In sum, the usual chumps are being whipped into a frenzy by the elements of media and making a mountain out of a molehill. Unsurprisingly they have little to say about fraud relating to campaign offences such as spending despite it posing a more serious issue.

    I see mr whatabout is drawing a characteristically f**kwitted parallel between voting and going to the cinema: voting is a fundamental democratic right and is intrinsically linked to a host of outcomes that affect our lives. Being turned away from an 18-rated film at a private establishment isn’t. As such there needs to be a much stronger justification for any change that interferes with the exercise of that right. The burden of proof is on government, not the other way around. It’s not a particularly complicated point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecuk268 View Post
    Would they have to prove their size at the polling station to make sure that there was no padding?
    Of course. The swamp has to be drained of all flat chested chicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Can you imagine the meltdown on here by certain individuals if Labour had put a bogus fact checker site up
    They do



    Only slightly different. The Tory one had ;
    CCHQ in the bio
    CCHQ in the Twitter handle
    CCHQ in cover image

    Labour's fact-checker:
    Doesn't tell you it's Labour in the name or handle
    Doesn't tell you it's Labour in any of their branding.

    Other than that, and the “fact” they started it in Sept, as opposed to Nov, they’re similar.

    No doubt you’ll be consistent and be critical of Labour as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    They do



    Only slightly different. The Tory one had ;
    CCHQ in the bio
    CCHQ in the Twitter handle
    CCHQ in cover image

    Labour's fact-checker:
    Doesn't tell you it's Labour in the name or handle
    Doesn't tell you it's Labour in any of their branding.


    Other than that, and the “fact” they started it in Sept, as opposed to Nov, they’re similar.

    No doubt you’ll be consistent and be critical of Labour as well.


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    You mean apart from the bit where it says @UKLabour and insider.labour.org.uk in the profile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    You mean apart from the bit where it says @UKLabour and insider.labour.org.uk in the profile?
    So it’s the same then?

    Cue the lefties explaining why it’s different


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    So it’s the same then?


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    Aside from the quite important fact that they haven't blatantly copied the name and logo from another independent fact checking service in order to fool people into thinking they are one and the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    So it’s the same then?

    Cue the lefties explaining why it’s different


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    Another gem from dopey duckhunter.

    Nobody is questioning the Conservatives decision to put up "facts" or "rebuttals" to challenge Labour, however pony there are. They can do whatever they like.

    The objection is that the Conservaties are using the same branding, identifiers, associations as independent factchecking sites (and in Channel 4's case, the same name), trading on their credibility. Insider has that none of that baggage (if anything, the name couldn't sound more partial and sounds like the type of s**tty transfer rumour site set up by billy no mates the wannabe football agent). Never mind UKLabour is far more known than CCHQ.

    Do let us know when Twitter and the Electoral Commission warn the Labour Party....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    They do



    Only slightly different. The Tory one had ;
    CCHQ in the bio
    CCHQ in the Twitter handle
    CCHQ in cover image

    Labour's fact-checker:
    Doesn't tell you it's Labour in the name or handle
    Doesn't tell you it's Labour in any of their branding.

    Other than that, and the “fact” they started it in Sept, as opposed to Nov, they’re similar.

    No doubt you’ll be consistent and be critical of Labour as well.


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    CCHQ is a recognised political party now is it? Fu ck's sake.

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    #cuethelefties


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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Another gem from dopey duckhunter.
    Yet more childish name-calling from Gavin, who just can't help himself. Seek professional help.

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    “The Labour manifesto states they want to raise £80billion in tax revenue and that all of that will come from companies and people earning over £80k a year. That’s simply not credible. You can’t raise that kind of money in our tax system“ Paul Johnson, Institute of Fiscal Studies


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    Yet more childish name-calling from Gavin, who just can't help himself. Seek professional help.
    The reference has gone over your head as usual Les

    How do you think you've performed on here this week pal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    “The Labour manifesto states they want to raise £80billion in tax revenue and that all of that will come from companies and people earning over £80k a year. That’s simply not credible. You can’t raise that kind of money in our tax system“ Paul Johnson, Institute of Fiscal Studies


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    “The Labour manifesto states they want to raise £80billion in tax revenue and that all of that will come from companies and people earning over £80k a year. That’s simply not credible. You can’t raise that kind of money in our tax system“ Paul Johnson, Institute of Fiscal Studies


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    This Paul johnson?


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...st-seen-in-60s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    #cuethelefties


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    Cue the lefties, what? Pointing out the bleedin' obvious facts to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    #cuethelefties


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    Having a mare today aren't you lol. Classic Pony.

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    Anyone seen the fake Labour Manifesto the Tories have been spreading sound social media. The "page" I saw had mocked it up to say Labour would legalise abortion right up to full term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Anyone seen the fake Labour Manifesto the Tories have been spreading sound social media. The "page" I saw had mocked it up to say Labour would legalise abortion right up to full term.
    Too late for Boris Johnson sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Too late for Boris Johnson sadly.
    Stay classy


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    Wow, if this is their pitch up north, god help them.


    https://mobile.twitter.com/jamesclev...94528519999488


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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Too late for Boris Johnson sadly.

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    On that point, the Greens should be massively pro abortion. Having a kid is just about the worst thing you can do for the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    On that point, the Greens should be massively pro abortion. Having a kid is just about the worst thing you can do for the planet.
    Probably why they are anti Johnson. Has he ever said how many kids he has fathered??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    Probably why they are anti Johnson. Has he ever said how many kids he has fathered??
    Why should he, it’s none of your damn business


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Why should he, it’s none of your damn business


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    It is if he gets your wife or girlfriend pregnant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Why should he, it’s none of your damn business


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    Pony.

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    Old McDonnell getting in a bit of a mess today. Claims the IFS isn’t a credible organisation. Strange then that they’re quoted 17 times in his manifesto costings.

    And to think there’s people on here going to vote for these charlatans.


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XswHAG09w_A

    IFS Director - Labours' proposals are "misleading." No surprise there then.

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    https://www.conservativehome.com/lef...urgonisms.html

    What an asset Richard Burgon is to the Labour Party and to the TV media's comedy sector.

    There's enough material for a "Carry on Voting" film, starring the likes of him, Diane Abbott, Emily Thornberry, Dawn Butler and the Marx brothers, Corbyn and McDonnell, among other incompetent clowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    https://www.conservativehome.com/lef...urgonisms.html

    What an asset Richard Burgon is to the Labour Party and to the TV media's comedy sector.

    There's enough material for a "Carry on Voting" film, starring the likes of him, Diane Abbott, Emily Thornberry, Dawn Butler and the Marx brothers, Corbyn and McDonnell, among other incompetent clowns.
    Coming from you, the comedy king, that’s high praise pal

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Coming from you, the comedy king, that’s high praise pal
    Thanks, Gavin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Old McDonnell getting in a bit of a mess today. Claims the IFS isn’t a credible organisation. Strange then that they’re quoted 17 times in his manifesto costings.

    And to think there’s people on here going to vote for these charlatans.


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    Given the bunch of charlatan’s you support, I suspect you didn’t actually type that whilst being able to keep a straight face?

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    Swinson getting slated so far

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    Breasts.

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    I'm honestly not sure I can bring myself to vote for any of this lot. Having said that Swinson gets bonus points for not wanting to scrap Trident, despite what that dipstick in the audience just said about the environment.

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    Boris having a stinker

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    Sturgeon wins

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    Johnson had a mare there

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    Boris has obviously taken advice from Prince Andrew, what in God’s name was that?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Why should he, it’s none of your damn business


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    It is if he doesn't support them, especially if he doesn't even know how many himself. Shows a total lack of moral fibre.

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    Sturgeon by some distance tonight, though she’s an afterthought politically. Johnson following the Saints strategy of recent years - perform utter s**t but hope there are candidates worse than you and/or not strong enough to overturn the conservatives built-in advantage in the polls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Sturgeon by some distance tonight, though she’s an afterthought politically. Johnson following the Saints strategy of recent years - perform utter s**t but hope there are candidates worse than you and/or not strong enough to overturn the conservatives built-in advantage in the polls.
    Boris doing just enough for CCHQ to win the election so all the CCHQ supporters will be delighted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Sturgeon wins
    Agree, she normally does on those events. I don’t agree with Nationalism but based on style, she engages with an audience far better than any of the others.

    That said, her and Corbyn on balance did have the least difficult audiences to handle. Corbyn was reasonable on some questions and poor on others eg antisemitism where I found him evasive and lacking specificity. I’d like to have seen a better answer on broadband benefits on growth boosting tax revenues as well.

    He just comes across like an experienced middle manager with some ‘out there’ views rather than a leader which is where Sturgeon cleaned up. Swinson struggled, a lot of Momentum and Brexit in the audience but was too defensive and not positive enough about what the LDs did achieve in the coalition rather than what they stopped Cameron doing. I felt the revoke policy if they got a majority was an albatross around the neck at the time of their conference.

    Boris as robotic as May which really surprised and disappointed me. Thought he would have done OK tonight. Couldn’t relate to an audience in a moderate large northern city which doesn’t bode well for breakthroughs in Labour heartlands. Ironic that posters comparing him to Prince Andrew as he was every bit out of touch. Needs to get rid of Cummings, would have won that hands down when he was London Mayor, which he kept on referring back to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Sturgeon by some distance tonight, though she’s an afterthought politically. Johnson following the Saints strategy of recent years - perform utter s**t but hope there are candidates worse than you and/or not strong enough to overturn the conservatives built-in advantage in the polls.
    Like Saints, also prints/dictates a load of half truths and spin in the Telegraph to empty vessels such as Moore and Wilson.

    Unlike Saints, there are enough worse outfits to keep him in a job. There’s no Chris Wilder in this election to upset the plan. Like Saints since 2017, incredibly limited though and no mind/authenticity of their own.

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    Well, I'm not one to normally buy into conspiracies about audiences, but the audience did seem Labour Remain leaning as a whole. So it was pretty hostile to Swinson and Johnson for starters. Out of the latter two, I actually think Swinson dealt with the hostility best, but wow it was an onslaught. Fair play to her. Sadly, I still think we are headed for an overall Johnson Majority, but hopefully it can be significantly reduced by good local performances.

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