Joesaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Long way off but... Due to this great news I expect ST sales and overall attendance to be really really good, if we were to have the attendance as high as it was when St Marys opened, with this guys wealth would you think he would increase the capacity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Can't see us getting full houses in League 1 tbh, maybe play off games & Leeds we might. Anything between 15 & 20k would be good. Don't we need something like 17k attendances to break even on match day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Can't see us getting full houses in League 1 tbh, maybe play off games & Leeds we might. Anything between 15 & 20k would be good. Don't we need something like 17k attendances to break even on match day? Was that when we were paying a mortgage and overdraft charges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Was that when we were paying a mortgage and overdraft charges? I thought it was just to break even on match day costs? Might have included mortgage & overdraft though not entirley sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Sorry although I feel they would be high this season, if in 3-4 years time and we are in the prem (hopefully) recession over (hopefully) he would def have the money to increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Not wanting to spoil this wonderful day and the tremendous news concerning the club and future, but I smell a rat, a dirty great big one. Why would our new owner choose not to announce the management team and board of directors till middle of August. If you're buying a Season Ticket ensure that you insist on conditions for reclaiming your money back. Not following me??? Insist on your money back if Messers Lowe and Wilde are appointed to the new board. I somehow think the only reason for delaying the announcement of the board is that one or both of them will be appointed. We can be pray, but, please cover your options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Well I do think it is worth puting in a bid for the southern World Cup venue intread of Portsmouth. Their stadium is not built, and Pompey is now in jeapody, not us. We only need around an extra 5,000 capacity which is do-able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Not wanting to spoil this wonderful day and the tremendous news concerning the club and future, but I smell a rat, a dirty great big one. Why would our new owner choose not to announce the management team and board of directors till middle of August. If you're buying a Season Ticket ensure that you insist on conditions for reclaiming your money back. Not following me??? Insist on your money back if Messers Lowe and Wilde are appointed to the new board. I somehow think the only reason for delaying the announcement of the board is that one or both of them will be appointed. We can be pray, but, please cover your options. I think you need to re-write your 'location' statement Art. You seem to feel above every sunshine there is a cloud. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Not wanting to spoil this wonderful day and the tremendous news concerning the club and future, but I smell a rat, a dirty great big one. Why would our new owner choose not to announce the management team and board of directors till middle of August. If you're buying a Season Ticket ensure that you insist on conditions for reclaiming your money back. Not following me??? Insist on your money back if Messers Lowe and Wilde are appointed to the new board. I somehow think the only reason for delaying the announcement of the board is that one or both of them will be appointed. We can be pray, but, please cover your options. Jesus - you're slightly off your rocker sometimes art! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Not wanting to spoil this wonderful day and the tremendous news concerning the club and future, but I smell a rat, a dirty great big one. Why would our new owner choose not to announce the management team and board of directors till middle of August. If you're buying a Season Ticket ensure that you insist on conditions for reclaiming your money back. Not following me??? Insist on your money back if Messers Lowe and Wilde are appointed to the new board. I somehow think the only reason for delaying the announcement of the board is that one or both of them will be appointed. We can be pray, but, please cover your options. He is supposed to be a cautious man, not a risk-taker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Not wanting to spoil this wonderful day and the tremendous news concerning the club and future, but I smell a rat, a dirty great big one. Why would our new owner choose not to announce the management team and board of directors till middle of August. If you're buying a Season Ticket ensure that you insist on conditions for reclaiming your money back. Not following me??? Insist on your money back if Messers Lowe and Wilde are appointed to the new board. I somehow think the only reason for delaying the announcement of the board is that one or both of them will be appointed. We can be pray, but, please cover your options. thought had crossed my devious mind, talking about expanding sms is hugely optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Well I do think it is worth puting in a bid for the southern World Cup venue intread of Portsmouth. Their stadium is not built, and Pompey is now in jeapody, not us. We only need around an extra 5,000 capacity which is do-able. can't be done. we can expand up to 38,000 and they need 40,000 min. would be terrific but afraid it can't happen. I'm more excited about the prospect of developing the area around St. Mary's such as buying up the gas towery things and maybe sticking a hotel or 2 on there like at chelsea and reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 can't be done. we can expand up to 38,000 and they need 40,000 min. would be terrific but afraid it can't happen. I'm more excited about the prospect of developing the area around St. Mary's such as buying up the gas towery things and maybe sticking a hotel or 2 on there like at chelsea and reading. are we not a football club? Are you seriously hoping for all that corporate bollacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 July, 2009 are we not a football club? Are you seriously hoping for all that corporate bollacks? Would be nice if area around St Marys was a little better. Well ugly at the mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 are we not a football club? Are you seriously hoping for all that corporate bollacks? errrrr... yes - it proves our empire is expanding and this 'corporate bollacks' can help to significantly increase turnover and attract other wealthy clients. At 61, he's not going to be around forever tbf. Although being 'just a football club' is great but we could be so much more - the heartbeat of the community - socially and economically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 can't be done. we can expand up to 38,000 and they need 40,000 min. would be terrific but afraid it can't happen. I'm more excited about the prospect of developing the area around St. Mary's such as buying up the gas towery things and maybe sticking a hotel or 2 on there like at chelsea and reading. St Mary's can be extended up to 45,000, but I'll be very surprised if it ever happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Not wanting to spoil this wonderful day and the tremendous news concerning the club and future, but I smell a rat, a dirty great big one. Why would our new owner choose not to announce the management team and board of directors till middle of August. If you're buying a Season Ticket ensure that you insist on conditions for reclaiming your money back. Not following me??? Insist on your money back if Messers Lowe and Wilde are appointed to the new board. I somehow think the only reason for delaying the announcement of the board is that one or both of them will be appointed. We can be pray, but, please cover your options. Liebherr's statement said "I also look forward to the Club re-engaging with the fans and the local community. We cannot succeed with out their backing." I really don't think he'd renege on that so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Engine Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 St Mary's can be extended up to 45,000, but I'll be very surprised if it ever happens. Would that be by adding a second tier all round or massively expanding one or two of the stands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Was that when we were paying a mortgage and overdraft charges? I thought this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Would that be by adding a second tier all round or massively expanding one or two of the stands? It's all the way around except on the Itchen stand - that stand can't be expanded due to the weight already placed on the foundations by the corporate facilities and the offices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Don't we need something like 17k attendances to break even on match day? Depends on cost of tickets surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 July, 2009 It's all the way around except on the Itchen stand - that stand can't be expanded due to the weight already placed on the foundations by the corporate facilities and the offices. That would look well nice. Long way off if ever I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSquirrel Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I thought it was just to break even on match day costs? Might have included mortgage & overdraft though not entirley sure. Using an average ticket price of £20, a 17000 crowd brings in £340,000. I cannot imagine the match day costs being anywhere near that. Using completely guessed figures of say 30 players, average £5000 a week uses up £150,000 leaving about £200,000 for mortgage interest etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Can't see us getting full houses in League 1 tbh, maybe play off games & Leeds we might. Anything between 15 & 20k would be good. Don't we need something like 17k attendances to break even on match day? We've cut the overheads with the players that have been released. I don't expect spectacular changes to start with, but hey, let's just be pleased that we have a football club and some stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 St Mary's can be extended up to 45,000, but I'll be very surprised if it ever happens. I actually heard that foundations were put down for expansion on all 4 sides to 55,000. The Itchen however, because of the design of the exec boxes and frontage would be quite expensive to expand but building a second tier (by modular expansion) on the Northam, Kingsland and Chapel would take it up to around 48,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowesboy Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Would that be by adding a second tier all round or massively expanding one or two of the stands? We're bottom of the third division on -10 points at the moment. Lets Concentrate on getting out of this league and the one above us before we even start thinking about building a massive Kop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Not wanting to spoil this wonderful day and the tremendous news concerning the club and future, but I smell a rat, a dirty great big one. Why would our new owner choose not to announce the management team and board of directors till middle of August. If you're buying a Season Ticket ensure that you insist on conditions for reclaiming your money back. Not following me??? Insist on your money back if Messers Lowe and Wilde are appointed to the new board. I somehow think the only reason for delaying the announcement of the board is that one or both of them will be appointed. We can be pray, but, please cover your options. Actually had the same thought this arvo!!! How much has Lowe affected our mental state Art??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Not wanting to spoil this wonderful day and the tremendous news concerning the club and future, but I smell a rat, a dirty great big one. Why would our new owner choose not to announce the management team and board of directors till middle of August. If you're buying a Season Ticket ensure that you insist on conditions for reclaiming your money back. Not following me??? Insist on your money back if Messers Lowe and Wilde are appointed to the new board. I somehow think the only reason for delaying the announcement of the board is that one or both of them will be appointed. We can be pray, but, please cover your options. A possible scenario. Do you think that Lowe would 'work for someone'? In that ML could dump him at a moment's notice and Lowe would have no 'total control' which is what he craved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 With a CEO and COO already appointed, I doubt that Rupert Lowe will be back. Plus, I don't think he'll fancy working for a private company where he won't be calling the shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 ART - My whole body just went numb when I read your post/theory. Oh my God!! Surly not? Nearly puked on the thought. Please don't do that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 With a CEO and COO already appointed, I doubt that Rupert Lowe will be back. Plus, I don't think he'll fancy working for a private company where he won't be calling the shots. I cant see him wanting to be tea-boy either.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 ******Stop Press*****Inside information *****Next seasons new club song released*****You heard it here first***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 With regard to possible crowd size I have a hunch we will sell a lot more tickets after the scare than would normally have been the case. Everyone that I have spoken to today is talking about getting a season ticket. It is highly likely that we will do very well and even more so if we have bought a few players that are good enough to get us up to the CCC. The new owner will want us to climb back up and I feel he will tolerate very few idiots for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 ******Stop Press*****Inside information *****Next seasons new club song released*****You heard it here first***** or maybe this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ga_m4OD_7A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 After this evenings further announcement of Andrew Oldknow as COO, I fear that Mister Liebherr will have us all going Wilde in no time at all. All along I have felt that all the previous players would have a hand somewhere or other in one or more of the takeovers. Crouch was clearly involved in Pinnacle, Lowe I am certain was involved in this late bid from the World Financiers and Mister Liebherr I fear had Michael, that dear sweet man from Burley as his trump card. As I said earlier, those purchasing Season Tickets before the full team is announced would do well to be on their guard. Either that, or be prepared to place the poison chalice to their lips and bear all consequences from so doing. (There may indeed be other further surprises, and although I doubt know that Lowe would be in their immediate plans, this man who is so loothed may actually lust for a position as Director of Football with the honourable gentleman from the Nederlands as his yes manager ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssaints Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I actually heard that foundations were put down for expansion on all 4 sides to 55,000. The Itchen however, because of the design of the exec boxes and frontage would be quite expensive to expand but building a second tier (by modular expansion) on the Northam, Kingsland and Chapel would take it up to around 48,000. I think it would be massively expensive to expand Itchen due to the offices and corporate boxes and the Kingsland due to the railway track. I remember at the time I heard a similar thing about the foundations potentially being able to take a two tiered bowl with a capacity of 52,000 but the epansion would have cost more than the staduim cost to build and the figure has probable risen since 2001. I cannot see him expanding the staduim unless we secure at leat 4 years in the preimership, with around 31,500 average attendence and Europe on the horizon. But I am never expecting to see that! I think if we pushed for a play off place this season and took stock and consildated all SFC business, then next year we could be in good shape to push for a return to the CCC. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssaints Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 After this evenings further announcement of Andrew Oldknow as COO, I fear that Mister Liebherr will have us all going Wilde in no time at all. All along I have felt that all the previous players would have a hand somewhere or other in one or more of the takeovers. Crouch was clearly involved in Pinnacle, Lowe I am certain was involved in this late bid from the World Financiers and Mister Liebherr I fear had Michael, that dear sweet man from Burley as his trump card. As I said earlier, those purchasing Season Tickets before the full team is announced would do well to be on their guard. Either that, or be prepared to place the poison chalice to their lips and bear all consequences from so doing. (There may indeed be other further surprises, and although I doubt know that Lowe would be in their immediate plans, this man who is so loothed may actually lust for a position as Director of Football with the honourable gentleman from the Nederlands as his yes manager ) We still have a club. Support the club not your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumush Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 ******Stop Press*****Inside information *****Next seasons new club song released*****You heard it here first***** Priceless !!! (if you will pardon the pun). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 No. Much as I hate to say it, I think that unless the club grows to rediculous proportions under ML 32,500 is the perfect size. In terms of potential expansion, as others have mentioned the 3 sides are simple to increase to approx 45k at a huge cost to the club. The Itchen would be V difficult if not impossible to expand if I recall correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 July, 2009 What abould development around the site though, do you think that could/would happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 ART, you know you can cancel your ST at any time and get a refund/stop DD for the remaining amount, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Lowe I am certain was involved in this late bid from the World Financiers and Mister Liebherr I fear had Michael, that dear sweet man from Burley as his trump card. I also had that feeling about the world financiers group based on the comment about them "complaining to the league" if the administrator did not accept their higher offer. Just the sort of thing he would do. In regards to Wilde, I doubt it, but you never know. That should not put anyone off buying a ST, we need to move on. I personally believe it will be August so that ML can get the right people in for the job. No point rushing appointments, he has CEO and COO on the ground for the time being. And you know, so what if Wilde was involved again, he is not the owner, ML has final say that'll do for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amigo1 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 do we now drop "the friends provident" part so the stadium is now just "st marys" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 do we now drop "the friends provident" part so the stadium is now just "st marys" It was dropped years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Was that when we were paying a mortgage and overdraft charges? I think when the origional loan was taken out repayments were based on average gates of 23k, if I am wrong I sure someone will correct me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 lets keep those corner open now,coyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 can't be done. we can expand up to 38,000 and they need 40,000 min. would be terrific but afraid it can't happen. I'm more excited about the prospect of developing the area around St. Mary's such as buying up the gas towery things and maybe sticking a hotel or 2 on there like at chelsea and reading. The stadium was designed to be increased to 2 levels on 3 sides, 40000 would be easy, probably only need 1 side expanded By the way, your wish about the "gas towery things" - any suggestion where you would store the gas for Southampton instead? All the infrastructure of the national grid is connected to here, so a change would not be easy. By the way they are called "Holders" and are still in continuous use (hence why they go up and down depending on the amount of gas being stored) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 The stadium was designed to be increased to 2 levels on 3 sides, 40000 would be easy, probably only need 1 side expanded By the way, your wish about the "gas towery things" - any suggestion where you would store the gas for Southampton instead? All the infrastructure of the national grid is connected to here, so a change would not be easy. By the way they are called "Holders" and are still in continuous use (hence why they go up and down depending on the amount of gas being stored) I believe they may be Grade 2 listed as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I thought there were plans to get rid of the gas holders in the next couple of years anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Ridiculous thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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