CB Fry Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4490380.Saints_won_t_be_rushed_over_new_boss/ Appointment could well be post-Ajax. Oh well, we'd be lost without another week of speculation about something. I don't quite buy it taking days and days to draw up a list of criteria. That's an hour meeting with a comfort break to knock that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 That's all well and good but wouldn't it have been better to keep wotte around until a replacement is found? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 As one commenter said, we waited months, what's another week ? I see this as another consolidation season rather than one where we make a genuine push on for the CCC anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 well, with no manager and no new players we are going to get spanked by Ajax. Im worried that these pre season fixtures are being used up by the reserve squad we have, not the new owners fault though. Am however looking forward to welcoming him as well as cheering KD :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 That's all well and good but wouldn't it have been better to keep wotte around until a replacement is found? Bit weird isn't it ? I would have though the logical thing to do would have been to keep him until a replacement comes in. Ass far as I ws aware he was on a rollign contract ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 That's all well and good but wouldn't it have been better to keep wotte around until a replacement is found? Agree but I read somewhere Wotte was talking to a player he wanted to sign and I guess AO thought it unfair to prolong the pretence. I hope Henderson is concentrating on fitness because he can't really do a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I guess it depends how the talks go. I think its fairly likely we could have someone in by Saturday. I wonder if they will be after anyone who is employed by another club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarb101 Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I wonder if they will still be in no rush if we get well and truly stuffed by Ajax in front of Markus and his friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 To me it's a total f*ck up. We just can't start the League 1 season with the team we have and we can't do anything about that until we get a new manager. Taking too long as did the take-over(or buy out) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tango Man Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 As one commenter said, we waited months, what's another week ? I see this as another consolidation season rather than one where we make a genuine push on for the CCC anyway. Agree..just catching up the minus 10 point deduction and a mid table spot will be an acheivment I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I suspect this means that WGS has thought about it and said 'No' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I would have thought that they would have made some tentative enquiries/arrangements during the buying process of the club, I hope that something will be announced this week. I hope that the team don't become an embarrassment for our new owner in front of his friends this Saturday V Ajax, I think that it also important that the stadium has a party atmosphere throughout the Ajax match whatever the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I thought they could have worked out the sort of manager they were looking for before signing the contract. Perhaps they did just feel we are in limbo at the moment but hopefully that will change quite soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 To me it's a total f*ck up. We just can't start the League 1 season with the team we have and we can't do anything about that until we get a new manager. Taking too long as did the take-over(or buy out) I would rather they take time to find a decent manager than rush the decision, I agree it has been left a bit late, but that is not their fault, they got on with this on their first day. I also doubt it has taken them all weekend to draw up criteria, they have probably drawn up a shortlist and then phoned those on the list to see if a) they are potentially interested and b) arrange a meeting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Perhaps the guy they want is currently away on holiday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Perhaps the guy they want is currently away on holiday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Perhaps the guy they want is employed at another club and the negotiations will take a bit of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Ha, brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I thought they could have worked out the sort of manager they were looking for before signing the contract. Perhaps they did just feel we are in limbo at the moment but hopefully that will change quite soon That would be my only comment and the point I was making in my original post. I've got no problem if the recruitment process takes another week or ten days because getting the right man in place is the thing and I've never bought into the "we've lost pre season, we're doomed" thing. Didn't do Roy Keane any harm. I just smile when Oldknow is quoted (as have many chief execs have at many clubs over the years) about getting the criteria sorted, as if that bit is tremendously time consuming. You're talking hours, not days to do that and it is a conversation that could have happened before taking over, especially as they had clearly had a conversation about sacking Wotte. But we'll get a man we are all generally happy with, pretty sure of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 That's all well and good but wouldn't it have been better to keep wotte around until a replacement is found? Personally i'd have sacked Wotte like they did. It was the honourable thing to do. To keep him on and then sack him would have been a bit out of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 This may also mean that Tony Adams isn`t the shoo-in that doom-mongers on here think that he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Personally i'd have sacked Wotte like they did. It was the honourable thing to do. To keep him on and then sack him would have been a bit out of order. Indeed - hopefully it has given him the best possible chance of finding another post before the start of the next season or even that job in Egypt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I suspect this means that WGS has thought about it and said 'No' I have a sneaky feeling he will take over but wants to bring in players without the hassle of every agent phoning him up trying to flog him players. He's fine tuning us off the scenes IMHO with Henderson taking the fitness levels to where he wants it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Personally i'd have sacked Wotte like they did. It was the honourable thing to do. To keep him on and then sack him would have been a bit out of order. Agreed. They made the decision and acted on it straight away. Keeping Wotte on would have been a sham, and a pretty unpleasant one at that. Looking at the Echo piece, it's clear that they want to make the appointment as soon as they can, but they won't be losing sleep if it takes longer than a few days. All of which sounds fine to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 As one commenter said, we waited months, what's another week ? I see this as another consolidation season rather than one where we make a genuine push on for the CCC anyway. Agree with that ! Markus and Co seem very adept decision makers and I am more than happy to trust their judgement to do whatever is right for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I have a sneaky feeling he will take over but wants to bring in players without the hassle of every agent phoning him up trying to flog him players. He's fine tuning us off the scenes IMHO with Henderson taking the fitness levels to where he wants it. I hope you are right Sir, that would be a better explanation for his presence at the training ground than his back problem anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Agree with that ! Markus and Co seem very adept decision makers and I am more than happy to trust their judgement to do whatever is right for the club. He's a BILLIONAIRE at the end of the day. Making good decisions and judgements is what he does best. Like you I have complete faith in Mr Liebherr and his people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 According to the papers today Stoke are hoping to beat Wolves to the signature of Lallana with a bid of 750k. It would be better for all to get a manager in asap and try and get our squad sorted. It would be ideal to get him in for Saturday and then he has 3 weeks before the season starts to bring in a few. Although Ajax is a good friendly we are probably going to get a right run around which maybe a good thing as it will open everyones eyes as to where we really are and what needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Pretty much the same sentiments I had in my "honeymoon" thread. Wottes sacking was inevitable because they need to be able to show candidates around and also they could not sanction any of his plans r.e. new signings. Keeping patient but still concerned about the time left to sort out the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 It's fair enough, although it does mean that we are almost certain to get a tonking on Sat. I remember the Lazio game in pre-season before Burley's last year. That was horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I've got no problem if the recruitment process takes another week or ten days because getting the right man in place is the thing and I've never bought into the "we've lost pre season, we're doomed" thing. Didn't do Roy Keane any harm. I agree completely with this point. In fact I think the worse we do in pre-season, the better we do. I remember having a good pre-season under Sturrock.... and we know what happened then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I thought they could have worked out the sort of manager they were looking for before signing the contract. Perhaps they did just feel we are in limbo at the moment but hopefully that will change quite soon That would be my take on the situation too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 The article doesn't really give us any new news though does ot ( I know shocking for the ECHO) but it still says an appointment can be made prior to the Ajax game - it really is a complete non story TBH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I think this is a smokescreen I'm convinced they've identified who thay want, and they are either locked in negotiations with them, or are persuading a club to allow him to speak to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I have a sneaky feeling he will take over but wants to bring in players without the hassle of every agent phoning him up trying to flog him players. He's fine tuning us off the scenes IMHO with Henderson taking the fitness levels to where he wants it. mmmm... makes sense. Then when he's announced as manager he will have his shopping list already sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Wasn't there a couple of regular posters who knew Paul Telfer? I'm sure they could get some info with regards to Strachan & whether he is talking to Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I think this is a smokescreen I'm convinced they've identified who thay want, and they are either locked in negotiations with them, or are persuading a club to allow him to speak to us Under promise and over deliver ...Its a great format used by ML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I have a sneaky feeling he will take over but wants to bring in players without the hassle of every agent phoning him up trying to flog him players. He's fine tuning us off the scenes IMHO with Henderson taking the fitness levels to where he wants it. Thoroughly agree with you Col. Strachan's not my first choice but the fact Henderson's been put in charge to get on with the build up shows to me that someone has big confidence that he'd do okay in preparing the squad. That points to Gordon who will be quietly preparing behind the scenes for recruitment whilst still enjoying his wee break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Perhaps the guy they want is currently away on holiday... Come on...spit it out... (literally) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 maybe the replacement is lined up but they wanted to put a respectable time between the sacking and employing of managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Hi. I've not revealed this before now but I'm Gordon Strachan's milkman. I went to deliver his four pints of gold top as usual this morning and noticed that his delivery from Saturday was still on the doorstep. Anyone know if he's gone on holiday or not? Thanks, Ernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 NP was having a run in with Mandaric as earl as the end of last season.I do wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polegategavin Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I wonder if they will still be in no rush if we get well and truly stuffed by Ajax in front of Markus and his friends. To me it's a total f*ck up. We just can't start the League 1 season with the team we have and we can't do anything about that until we get a new manager. Taking too long as did the take-over(or buy out) I think some realism is required. We are a League 1 team now, saturday's friendly is against a potential Champions League team, who themselves will be in the early stages of pre-season. We have 3 more weeks after te Ajax game before the season starts, and pre-season is all about getting the fitness levels up. Almost all teams don't find their feet until 4 or 5 games into the season, irrespective of their pre-season build up, purely because there is no substitute for competitive matches which won't start until 8th August. Even if we do lose heavily on saturday, it won't affect anything. The year we got to the play offs are pre-season was hardly world shattering but we still performed when it mattered. We will be playing League 1 teams, who will not be as strong as the teams we played in CCC, therefore many of our inadequate squad last season, which was not helped by all the off field issues, will be capable at this level, and with a few new signings we will be one of the most competitive teams in this division even with the 10 point deduction. Let's start having a bit of faith, our new owner has already indicated that he will spend money on signings so lets just enjoy the ride and create a fantastic atmosphere at SMS and get behind the team. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Bit weird isn't it ? I would have though the logical thing to do would have been to keep him until a replacement comes in. Ass far as I ws aware he was on a rollign contract ??? I agree ... I've been saying that After the euphoria of being "saved" by Leibherr, things really have stalled IMHO So Oldknow says " no rush" ... really .... surprise to me Only WEEKS before the start of the Div 1 season Players being SOLD NONE coming IN NO Manager ... ( with repect to Henderson, " Caretakers" DO NOT WORK ) Players need to know a PERMANENT figurehead is in place, for stability if nothing else All we know at the moment is that we are NOT going to get a "Class" Manager like Strachan ... if we were, he would already be installed I still believe that Leibherr has NOT been able to get who HE wanted, and I don't believe all this Oldknow garbage of "No rush" We may have been "saved" as a Club, but even the most neutral of observers would say we are already in for a very torrid baptism into life in Div ! Getting a Manager appointed is vital ... NOW Mr Oldknow ...... not when you can get round to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I suspect this means that WGS has thought about it and said 'No' who ever they wanted initially has told us NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 who ever they wanted initially has told us NO That was what I was thinking too or maybe too expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Nothing new in the article - won't be rushed etc etc - personally neither would I if I was in AO's shoes. The decision has to be the right one if thats WGS great if not then it will be someone else of a reasonably high standing. What is amazing me is that the normal ITK's don't seem to have a clue either. Sounds as if the whole club have been NDA'd. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Perhaps the guy they want is currently away on holiday... I hear Malaga is very nice this time of year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I hear Malaga is very nice this time of year What are you intimating Philip? Who do I need to be googling lol??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I hear Malaga is very nice this time of year Come on phil..come on home and stop playing games...You know you want the job:smt044 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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