Rudi for Holmes

[chivvy1664]

or do with stick with Dire. All pace no delivery or unfit good quality

[Um Bongo]

Surman for holmes, with Skacel playing left back.

[chivvy1664]

Dont see surman as AML. ML yes. like to see Skacel further forward.

[derry]

Until Skacel commits himself 100% to Saints, he can rot in the reserves.

[Bailey]

Can't see the point in playing Skacel unless his head is right and he's totally committed to the cause.

 

IF he is deemed as physically and mentally fit, then I'd put him in at LB and push Surman foward.

[Arizona]

Until Skacel commits himself 100% to Saints, he can rot in the reserves.

 

Can't see the point in playing Skacel unless his head is right and he's totally committed to the cause.

 

IF he is deemed as physically and mentally fit, then I'd put him in at LB and push Surman foward.

 

WTF are you guys basing this assumption on? Just because he hasn't been picked for the team, doesn't mean he doesn't give a sh*t.

 

Sometimes I think people have been completely brainwashed by the "youth team good. Old players bad," propaganda on the OS.

[DT]

WTF are you guys basing this assumption on? Just because he hasn't been picked for the team, doesn't mean he doesn't give a sh*t.

 

Sometimes I think people have been completely brainwashed by the "youth team good. Old players bad," propaganda on the OS.

You're forgetting that it is a 'revolutionary new system'....

[Saint_clark]

Definately stick with Holmes. He's done nothing wrong.

[70's Mike]

Definately stick with Holmes. He's done nothing wrong.

 

 

except get injuried

[toofarnorth]

Can't see the point in playing Skacel unless his head is right and he's totally committed to the cause.

 

IF he is deemed as physically and mentally fit, then I'd put him in at LB and push Surman foward.

 

Maybe, the only thing that can get his head back in the right place and enjoying football for saints again is by letting him know what he's been missing. Think he should at least be on the bench next game.

[Saint_clark]

except get injuried

 

Did he? I haven't read anything about the match, I just got home and went straight to bed.

[70's Mike]

Did he? I haven't read anything about the match, I just got home and went straight to bed.

 

went off after about 20mins with a bad knee injury,

hence the reason for this thread

[Scummer]

went off after about 20mins with a bad knee injury,

hence the reason for this thread

 

How did he get injured by the way? I missed the first half an hour of the match.

[saints_is_the_south]

I'd put Skacel at left back & push Surman forward as Skacel is a better left back IMO.

[saint_neilo]

Surman for holmes, with Skacel playing left back.

 

Agree

[70's Mike]

How did he get injured by the way? I missed the first half an hour of the match.

 

clash of knees

[BotleySaint]

Skacel and Lallana on form and running the attacks would be very, very good.

If the defence gets sorted. Yes. Or we could look forwards to weekly 5-5 thrillers!

[mprobert]

Skacel and Lallana on form and running the attacks would be very, very good.

Very true but that needs Rudi to be a) fit and b) in the right frame of mind - either one seems unlikely, never mind both.

[derry]

WTF are you guys basing this assumption on? Just because he hasn't been picked for the team, doesn't mean he doesn't give a sh*t.

 

Sometimes I think people have been completely brainwashed by the "youth team good. Old players bad," propaganda on the OS.

 

We didn't want him to go to Hertha, but he insisted he wanted to go as he wanted to play in a top league, to help his international ambitions.

 

As well as not playing at all, his international ambitions are stalled. He has been offered around but priced himself out of a move. He, I believe was poor in the half he played for the reserves before injury. Apart from training he has had two and one half games and missed preseason due to Europe which he didn't play in.

 

What the hell has he done to warrant being brought in.

[Arizona]

We didn't want him to go to Hertha, but he insisted he wanted to go as he wanted to play in a top league, to help his international ambitions.

 

As well as not playing at all, his international ambitions are stalled. He has been offered around but priced himself out of a move. He, I believe was poor in the half he played for the reserves before injury. Apart from training he has had two and one half games and missed preseason due to Europe which he didn't play in.

 

What the hell has he done to warrant being brought in.

 

Okay...

 

1. "We didn't want him to go to Hertha." Who do you think you're kidding. It became apparent that we weren't going to get promoted after the Norwich game and Crouch was trying to save money. I supposed Rasiak leaving and Viafara having a deal fall through, at the same time, 2 hours before midnight is pure coincidence?

 

2. He wanted to go to Hertha. Now there's a moral dilema. Sit on the bench at a struggling 2nd Division side, watching Euell do a very bad impression of a left winger, or go and play in the Bundesliga and (sucessfully) fight for a place in your national squad for the European Championships. ANY of our players would have done the same, ignoring the fact that Berlin is much closer to Czech Rep than Southampton.

 

3. Priced himself out of a move. Would you take a 40% pay cut to go and play for Ipswich? That doesn't mean he doesn't want to be here at all. It means he doesn't want to go to Ipswich.

 

4. You blame him for missing preseason and seem to be implying that because he chose to represent his country at the Euro's he doesn't want to play for Saints. Do you suppose Liverpool want rid of Torres for the same reason?

 

5. You "believe" he was poor in half a game? So you didn't actually see the game, but it sticks with your oppinion that he is sh*t and lazy, so you are taking it as gospel?

 

6. Even assuming he was poor in those 45 minutes (I'm not saying he wasn't), I'd say Davis was the only player who hasn't had a poor game so far. Better to try something that might not work, rather than stick with something which definitely isn't (a lesson Burley never learned).

 

6. He should be in the team because he has shown in the past to have natural ability on the ball and has more first team exerience under his belt than Gillett, Shneiderlin, DMG, Lallana, White, Surman and Holmes put together.

[Rod Le Shearer]

or do with stick with Dire. All pace no delivery or unfit good quality

 

I`d play both Dyer and Skacel TBF...

Nathan`s pace is a very rear asset,there must be a way to utilise this better..

Skacel should be given the chance now Holmes is injured,at least he has something the rest of the team lacks: a good shooting foot,and accurate crossing !

[saintrich]

Gillett - DM

Schneiderlin - DM

 

Skacel - LW

Dyer - RW

 

Lallana - CM/AM

[pilsburydoughboy]

I miss Skacel waving at the crowd.

[Professor]

Can't see Skacel putting in much effort as he doesn't want to be here, but expect JP to give him a go, especially as there are so m many games coming up that he needs to use the squad.

[Saint Fan CaM]

If JP does not use Skacel then he will show to all just how inexperinced he is at this level. Best play Rudi at LB and Surman on the left - they had a reasonably good partnership going there last season.

[Dark Munster]

But has he signed yet?

[Fan The Flames]

If Skacel doesn't get used all sorts of conspiracy theories will be cooked up.

 

He just need to be loved again, go on Jan give him a cuddle.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Can't see Skacel putting in much effort as he doesn't want to be here, but expect JP to give him a go, especially as there are so m many games coming up that he needs to use the squad.

 

As we're paying him around £400k a year he bloody well should be happy to be here ! - and for that kind of money I feel it's quite reasonable he puts in some kind of effort as well .

[eurosaint]

As we're paying him around £400k a year he bloody well should be happy to be here ! - and for that kind of money I feel it's quite reasonable he puts in some kind of effort as well .

 

Only one way to find out, eh ??

[rooney]

As we're paying him around £400k a year he bloody well should be happy to be here ! - and for that kind of money I feel it's quite reasonable he puts in some kind of effort as well .

 

If he will not put the effort in ,surely the club can issue disciplinary proceedings. After the required periods of notice & review etc. if nothing improves we can get rid surely?

[Window Cleaner]

If he will not put the effort in ,surely the club can issue disciplinary proceedings. After the required periods of notice & review etc. if nothing improves we can get rid surely?

 

 

No probably not actually. As long as he turns up for training,plays when asked to I doubt if ''lack of effort" could be seen as a cause for unilateral contract rupture. We idiotically gave Skacel a 4 year contract, probably longer than he's ever played anywhere in the past. He seems to be easily destabilised, look at the number of clubs he"s had in a relatively short career.Whoever was responsible for that contract should indemnise us cos we're stuck with the fooker.

[Gemmel]

Echo says it is medial ligament damage and is out for two months

[Window Cleaner]

It was Rupert, the ****ing ****

 

 

are you sure about that?

I thought he was one of the "brave new world" signings.

[derry]

Okay...

 

1. "We didn't want him to go to Hertha." Who do you think you're kidding. It became apparent that we weren't going to get promoted after the Norwich game and Crouch was trying to save money. I supposed Rasiak leaving and Viafara having a deal fall through, at the same time, 2 hours before midnight is pure coincidence?

 

2. He wanted to go to Hertha. Now there's a moral dilema. Sit on the bench at a struggling 2nd Division side, watching Euell do a very bad impression of a left winger, or go and play in the Bundesliga and (sucessfully) fight for a place in your national squad for the European Championships. ANY of our players would have done the same, ignoring the fact that Berlin is much closer to Czech Rep than Southampton.

 

3. Priced himself out of a move. Would you take a 40% pay cut to go and play for Ipswich? That doesn't mean he doesn't want to be here at all. It means he doesn't want to go to Ipswich.

 

4. You blame him for missing preseason and seem to be implying that because he chose to represent his country at the Euro's he doesn't want to play for Saints. Do you suppose Liverpool want rid of Torres for the same reason?

 

5. You "believe" he was poor in half a game? So you didn't actually see the game, but it sticks with your oppinion that he is sh*t and lazy, so you are taking it as gospel?

 

6. Even assuming he was poor in those 45 minutes (I'm not saying he wasn't), I'd say Davis was the only player who hasn't had a poor game so far. Better to try something that might not work, rather than stick with something which definitely isn't (a lesson Burley never learned).

 

6. He should be in the team because he has shown in the past to have natural ability on the ball and has more first team exerience under his belt than Gillett, Shneiderlin, DMG, Lallana, White, Surman and Holmes put together.

 

Lee Hoos stated that we didn't want him to go at the time, but he insisted. How can you be sure he is fit?

 

If he is fit and wants to play, then he has to be considered. I didn't say I didn't rate him, quite the opposite, however it appears his ambitions lie elsewhere. Hertha wanted to sign him but decided the package was too expensive. (source : British Embassy, Berlin)

Edited 16 September, 2008 by derry

[Master Bates]

Out for a possible 2 months, oo'er!

[Window Cleaner]

Out for a possible 2 months, oo'er!

 

Holmes or Skacel

[Master Bates]

Holmes

[Window Cleaner]

It was definitely the brave new world board yes. When money was no issue, wages were huge, contracts long, banks oblivious and manager's drunk.

 

 

Not Rupert then

[Charlie Wayman]

With Holmes out half the team is missing. Dyer is dire, Wright Phillip gives us the wrong fillip, Surman can do the LMF in a 4-5-1 with Perry at LB

[derry]

Holmes or Skacel

 

Holmes, in a brace for 6 to 8 weeks, then a few weeks to get match fit.

[saintjay77]

On the OS now says he could be out for 2 months. If he needs an op it will be longer though. I guess he thinks it will take 4 weeks to settle down and then the further 4 weeks getting strength in it slowly.

[Saint_Jonny]

Id go for suman at left back and skacel in midfield. I can remember the norwich at home game last season clearly, skacel was AWESOME.

[saintjay77]

Id go for suman at left back and skacel in midfield. I can remember the norwich at home game last season clearly, skacel was AWESOME.

 

With an on form Skacel I would agree with you. There has to be a big question mark over his form/attitude at the moment though. If he does get a recall who knows what Skacel will turn up?

[West End Saint]

I dont think Rudi has ever shown his quality for us his head isnt right and he cant be fit so dont play him I say stick with Dyer or play DMG wide and Pekhart up front

[Arizona]

Lee Hoos stated that we didn't want him to go at the time, but he insisted. How can you be sure he is fit?

 

If he is fit and wants to play, then he has to be considered. I didn't say I didn't rate him, quite the opposite, however it appears his ambitions lie elsewhere. Hertha wanted to sign him but decided the package was too expensive. (source : British Embassy, Berlin)

 

Hoos also stated that Rasiak was offloaded to help clear the "logjam of strikers." We then went 3 months with nobody but John scoring from open play. It was all bulls*t.

 

It can't be a coincidence that him and Rasiak left within minutes of each other (plus the alledged Viafara to Stoke deal which fell through), the evening the transfer window closed. More to the point, I've heard from a seperate source that the club made "significant" financial gains from both loans, and the offers were too good to refuse at the time.

 

How can it be that 7 months ago we had a huge wage bill and were trying to keep Skacel, yet now every man and his dog has packed up and gone?

 

I am sure he did want to go to Hertha. Skacel turning down a move to Hertha would be like one of our youngsters turning down a move to a midtable Prem side.

 

I dont think Rudi has ever shown his quality for us his head isnt right and he cant be fit so dont play him I say stick with Dyer or play DMG wide and Pekhart up front

 

What about the last 2 games he played in midfield, when he was by far the best player on the pitch? Or the one before that when we beat Wolves 6-0? Or the 4 goals he scored by Christmas 2 years ago? Or having the most assists AND joint most goals from midfield in the playoff season? Nope? Ok, he's sh*t.

[West End Saint]

Hoos also stated that Rasiak was offloaded to help clear the "logjam of strikers." We then went 3 months with nobody but John scoring from open play. It was all bulls*t.

 

It can't be a coincidence that him and Rasiak left within minutes of each other (plus the alledged Viafara to Stoke deal which fell through), the evening the transfer window closed. More to the point, I've heard from a seperate source that the club made "significant" financial gains from both loans, and the offers were too good to refuse at the time.

 

How can it be that 7 months ago we had a huge wage bill and were trying to keep Skacel, yet now every man and his dog has packed up and gone?

 

I am sure he did want to go to Hertha. Skacel turning down a move to Hertha would be like one of our youngsters turning down a move to a midtable Prem side.

 

 

 

What about the last 2 games he played in midfield, when he was by far the best player on the pitch? Or the one before that when we beat Wolves 6-0? Or the 4 goals he scored by Christmas 2 years ago? Or having the most assists AND joint most goals from midfield in the playoff season? Nope? Ok, he's sh*t.

 

He has always flatered to deceive the odd flash of quality but never delivered with any consistantcy at all he is not sh1t that is the annoying thing and before you ask I was at the games mentioned and he wasnt mom imhop until he is fit and his head is right dont play him in my book

[Oz]

Gillett - DM

Schneiderlin - DM

 

Skacel - LW

Dyer - RW

 

Lallana - CM/AM

 

job done, lol