alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ?? or perhaps a multi million pound side(and manager) have bucked their ideas up now that the chairman is miffed with the results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ?? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ??What on earth are you bleating on about? :confused: Nonsense or wind up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 No. It proves that the players we have brought in are better than what we had and that but for the minus 10 and poor start whilst Pards sorted out the squad we would be right up there. And not sure about you but I can't wait for Wembley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 No, it simply proves that the FA cup games meant we had to rotate our squad accordingly and as such Pardew couldn't pick his first choice team. Interestingly someone said before the game that in an interview on Solent Pardew announced that he will now play his best team in every game, and he has told the players outright what he thinks that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ?? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 I think it's absolutely disgusting that AP sent out teams to WIN games in all competitions. What is he playing at ffs?!! He shoud have got the team to lose delibrately ffs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Oh FFS ....do you honestly believe Pardew sends teams out to lose orr draw ??? He sends out what he thinks is the strongest side for that game...like all managers he gets things wrong occasionally. He is not responsible for defenders failing to clear or mark from corners..he is not responsible for forwards not hitting a barn door with a banjo making the game safe!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ?? I don't think so personally. Back in November our cup victories complemented our league victories nicely and helped instill a winning mentality into the side. Unfortunately we had a bad run of form in January and the cup games coincided with our home league games. This meant we only played once at home in the league in January and, coupled with our dip in away form, resulted in a poor return of points. It would be easy to attribute the dip in form to the volume of cup games but I don't think that's the case. I think all teams have a dip in form at times and if we're to blame the cups for our bad run, we also have to credit the cup success for our earlier good run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2010 I think it's absolutely disgusting that AP sent out teams to WIN games in all competitions. What is he playing at ffs?!! He shoud have got the team to lose delibrately ffs!! According to his boss, the league was the priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Interestingly someone said before the game that in an interview on Solent Pardew announced that he will now play his best team in every game, and he has told the players outright what he thinks that is. Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 According to his boss, the league was the priority. I think we all knew that before he said it. I don't really see your point though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 looks like you're now scraping the barrels for things to moan about alps. there's no thread started by glasgow saint, so you seem a bit lost. in answer to your question though - no. he set us out to win every game, and you cannot win cup games, league games etc with the same 11 players - there has to be some sort of rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2010 I think we all knew that before he said it. Except AP, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2010 looks like you're now scraping the barrels for things to moan about alps. there's no thread started by glasgow saint, so you seem a bit lost. in answer to your question though - no. he set us out to win every game, and you cannot win cup games, league games etc with the same 11 players - there has to be some sort of rotation. I would have been happy to go out in the first round of every cup if it meant the players were fresh, ready and up for every league game. We might only be chasing a small defecit once our games-in-hand have been played if that were the case. Of course, that is just the opinion of NC and myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Except AP, perhaps. Yeah, I bet he thought that Cortese didn't care about the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Yeah, I bet he thought that Cortese didn't care about the league. Strange public comment from NC a couple of weeks ago if that werent the case then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Strange public comment from NC a couple of weeks ago if that werent the case then Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 According to his boss, the league was the priority. Of course they will absolutely hate being at Wembley and all the revenue that brings in..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 I would have been happy to go out in the first round of every cup if it meant the players were fresh, ready and up for every league game. We might only be chasing a small defecit once our games-in-hand have been played if that were the case. Of course, that is just the opinion of NC and myself... that's silly though, pardew has said all along about bringing in a winning mentality at this football club - and you do not breed a winning mentality by slipping up in the first round of cup games. Winning a trophy is the best way to breed winners - there is no better way. At the end of the day - our league form dipped, but we still didn't lose many games at all. Just 2 defeats in 28 games i believe. i like what pardews tying to build and i think he's gone about it in the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Strange public comment from NC a couple of weeks ago if that werent the case then Every single person on here thought that we weren't winning enough games. Cortese said the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ?? No. AP was always focused on the League. The JPT and FA Cup were distractions and he wanted to instill a winning mentality - he has said this many times. The Cups helped do this, but the problem has been cup-tied players. I don't think results would have been any better if we had gone out of the cups earlier than we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made in Southampton Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ?? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 I'm gutted to be going to Wembley, really I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 You seem to be overlooking that we have been missing Hammond for a couple of months. He comes back, Puncheon starts along with Pardew's new defensive signings and we beat a team who were 11 from 11 at home... The reality is, we have had some bad luck with injuries and have been forced to rotate the squad because of cup games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ?? Are you really that fickle that you believe one result proves anything about a whole season? The only thing this thread proves is that you have quite an unfortunate habit in being unable to see the good in a convincing win and despite that can quite contentedly carry on being a persistent voice of misery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ?? Southampton 17 July 2009 Present 41 20 13 8 48.78 Only 20% of games lost. For comparison purposes, Norwich have lost a similar % and Leeds are not far in front of that. Others in the play-offs have similar stats. The only difference is that saints started 10 points behind and with an inferior sqaud. Pardew is doing a good job and the cups have nothing to with how we are in the league. The league form was harmed mainly in the first ten games when we didnt have enough quality to turn draws into wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 I'm gutted to be going to Wembley, really I am. +1, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Today's result proves that everything Pardew has been building & been working towards this season, is starting to come together. AP new that we had a huge mental problem, brought over from last season, in that we were used to losing he therefore used the cup games to build a winning mentality, he used loans in the early part of the season to get us through until Jan. Then he's brought in the players he wanted, & we after a couple of games are starting to to gel & play & look like the real deal. Simples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 According to his boss, the league was the priority. So the boss said to AP f*** the fans just lose the cup games....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 No ...& I'm sure NC would think it was a stupid statement...lighten up, take some positives out of life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ?? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 I'm gutted to be going to Wembley, really I am. Could hear Norwich fans singing 'we are top of the league' while saints fans repsonded with 'Wembley' I know which club will be happier at the end of the season as while a wembley visit will be fun, the league was always priority and our 'distraction' may end up costing AP his job and us at least another year in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Could hear Norwich fans singing 'we are top of the league' while saints fans repsonded with 'Wembley' I know which club will be happier at the end of the season as while a wembley visit will be fun, the league was always priority and our 'distraction' may end up costing AP his job and us at least another year in L1. You and Alpine should get married, you really should.:smt066 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 No it proves that we are just starting to figure out what our best team is. I think the winning ethic and team togetherness would have been at its peak today. Next season will hopefully turn out to be a brilliant one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 You seem to be overlooking that we have been missing Hammond for a couple of months. He comes back, Puncheon starts along with Pardew's new defensive signings and we beat a team who were 11 from 11 at home... The reality is, we have had some bad luck with injuries and have been forced to rotate the squad because of cup games. Good point. I noted today, when Hammond's name was mentioned in the commentary, how well Saints have performed since his return. Last week, against Pompey, he wasn't 100%, and faded in the last 20 minutes, but today, along with Schneiderlin, he was here and there, making his mark. I sometimes find it difficult to think what he actually does, even when I'm able to watch Saints play, but the team certainly play better with him, than without him. I suppose that's why he's the captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 No , I think the cups have given Saints a lift, especially the JPT final at wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 It proves that we are clearly deficient in both fitness and sports psychology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Good point. I noted today, when Hammond's name was mentioned in the commentary, how well Saints have performed since his return. Last week, against Pompey, he wasn't 100%, and faded in the last 20 minutes, but today, along with Schneiderlin, he was here and there, making his mark. I sometimes find it difficult to think what he actually does, even when I'm able to watch Saints play, but the team certainly play better with him, than without him. I suppose that's why he's the captain. Agreed, for the life of me I don't know what he does, but we sure seem to play better with him. As does Spiderman!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Could hear Norwich fans singing 'we are top of the league' while saints fans repsonded with 'Wembley' I know which club will be happier at the end of the season as while a wembley visit will be fun, the league was always priority and our 'distraction' may end up costing AP his job and us at least another year in L1. Oh shut the **** up. In answer to your original post Alpine...no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 ..once-and-for-all, that AP had his eye on the wrong goals (the cups) up until now ?? No. It proves we want to do well in all competitions. Well, most of us anyway. We win at a place only one other visiting team has won this season (and that on the first day) and people are using it as some sort of stick to beat Pardew with. What is it with some people? Can't we just enjoy the win (and the Pompey failure)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Usual moaning muppets on line i see... The NEVER satisfied crew... And the to the original answer is............ NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 The Chairman was looking forward to a win at Norwich. That concentrated the minds. MKD, Pompey, and today we have set up and played positively. All after the Chairman's comments. We have set up and played negatively far too often, consequently the football has been pretty poor at times. If Pardew would make his default position positive and give it a go, like he is now doing, he could yet become successful. It may be too late, but if he gives it his best shot in the remaining games and doesn't revert to negativity, we could yet make the play offs by winning nearly all our games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2010 No. It proves we want to do well in all competitions. Well, most of us anyway. We win at a place only one other visiting team has won this season (and that on the first day) and people are using it as some sort of stick to beat Pardew with. What is it with some people? Can't we just enjoy the win (and the Pompey failure)? I have been fullsome in my praise of todays match. But because there is such a performance disparagy to our last few league outings, I think it is an extremely valid question to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Oh shut the **** up. In answer to your original post Alpine...no. Reported! Read the T&Cs please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2010 The Chairman was looking forward to a win at Norwich. That concentrated the minds. MKD, Pompey, and today we have set up and played positively. All after the Chairman's comments. We have set up and played negatively far too often, consequently the football has been pretty poor at times. If Pardew would make his default position positive and give it a go, like he is now doing, he could yet become successful. It may be too late, but if he gives it his best shot in the remaining games and doesn't revert to negativity, we could yet make the play offs by winning nearly all our games. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 20 February, 2010 Share Posted 20 February, 2010 Sorry but, Alpine and Glasgow what the F U C K is wrong with you both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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