The players are letting us down

[Turkish]

say all you like about management, the 11 we have out should be enough to see off what we have come up against since AP went. F*cking Swindon twice, tiny club from a sh*t hole, with average players. The players we have, if they are proffesionals,should turn in performances aginast the sh*t we have been up against enough to win. These mugs are not doing the business for SFC. The players have been cun*ts and need to raise their game, at the moment none of them are fit to wear the SFC shirt.

[rick1976.4.38]

too bloody true.they need to look at themselves and get their act together

[saint lard]

Harsh......but fair.

 

Just got in from the pub per chance?

[Turkish]

Not being funny, but at the end of the day whoever is in charge, players know the score, these cu*ts are not doing the business and are an embarassment to SFC at the momement. The players are not doing it and need to take responsibility foe thier performance, which is not good enough.

[saint lard]

Unfortunately they will still earn in a week what i earn in a year...well,almost.

They don't give a monkeys who's shirt they wear or what team it represents.

Mercenaries...the lot of 'em.

[La BoIS Saint]

Players out ffs.

[1976_Child]

Turkish, me olde mucker, you is not 'alf wrong.

 

I've said it before, and will say it again: a team is not about personalities. A team is a team. Some one needs to come in and spank them all into shape. Seriously, get them all into the locker room, shorts and jockstraps down, bend over and a good hard thrashing. They can do better. They know they can do better. But they are slipping into 'journeyman' territory. Nothing a good, hard spanking couldn't sort out though.

[The Fat Controller]

we are desperately missing a pivotal link in the team and that is by not having replacements for Antonio, Waigo, and decent midfield cover for Lallana.

 

This week we need to 5 maybe 6 quality loans and a Manager ASAP otherwise we can forget any chance of play-offs

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Mind you - they always talk a really good game on the OS. ****s.

[Ohio Saint]

I can't fault the sentiments of this thread.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Turkish, me olde mucker, you is not 'alf wrong.

 

I've said it before, and will say it again: a team is not about personalities. A team is a team. Some one needs to come in and spank them all into shape. Seriously, get them all into the locker room, shorts and jockstraps down, bend over and a good hard thrashing. They can do better. They know they can do better. But they are slipping into 'journeyman' territory. Nothing a good, hard spanking couldn't sort out though.

 

I like this post...it makes emminent sense and I commend it to NC for further consideration.

[Micky]

Rarely do I visit 'rant threads' - but for once I have to say that I concur.

[alpine_saint]

say all you like about management, the 11 we have out should be enough to see off what we have come up against since AP went. F*cking Swindon twice, tiny club from a sh*t hole, with average players. The players we have, if they are proffesionals,should turn in performances aginast the sh*t we have been up against enough to win. These mugs are not doing the business for SFC. The players have been cun*ts and need to raise their game, at the moment none of them are fit to wear the SFC shirt.

 

Been saying this time and time again, Turkish. These are professional sportsmen, well paid by people less well off than them for the efforts, yet the fans are not allowed to boo or express any dissatisfaction with them on websites in case it hurts their feelings.

 

Oh, and some of them turn up dressed like and behave like tramps at funerals of club owners.

 

Oh for a Strachan-like disciplinarian...

[Deppo]

Oh, and some of them turn up dressed like and behave like tramps at funerals of club owners.

 

What's this? Did players turn up drinking tennants super and smelling of ****?

[Deppo]

 

I've said it before, and will say it again: a team is not about personalities. A team is a team.

 

I don't think I've ever read anything more profund than this. I particularly like the final sentence. A team is a team.

[ladysaint]

Really think Lambert should be dropped for the next game, but then we have no one to put in his place, need a manager desperately and some loan signings in to provide cover up front.

[Deppo]

Really think Lambert should be dropped for the next game, but then we have no one to put in his place, need a manager desperately and some loan signings in to provide cover up front.

 

So we should drop him and not put anyone in his place? Unusual tactic.

[ladysaint]

TBH he might as well had not been on the pitch yesterday, not sure if he is still carrying an injury, and doesnt seem hungry for the ball anymore, is hardly winning any headers.

[Deppo]

and doesnt seem hungry for the ball anymore.

 

Probably full up on burgers.

[Block 5]

We should drop ALL the players and have the fans play our games instead on a 'tag-team' basis.

As soon as the fatties get tired, just tag another fatty on the touch line and switch over.

We would walk this league.

FATTY POWER!

COYF!

[Dalek2003]

Been saying this time and time again, Turkish. These are professional sportsmen, well paid by people less well off than them for the efforts, yet the fans are not allowed to boo or express any dissatisfaction with them on websites in case it hurts their feelings.

 

Oh, and some of them turn up dressed like and behave like tramps at funerals of club owners.

 

Oh for a Strachan-like disciplinarian...

 

Agreed. BTW I would love WGS to come back !

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Obviously you are not wrong with what you say but yesterday they looked so disorganised the sort of thing that should come with a decent manager and some leadership

[saint lard]

Obviously you are not wrong with what you say but yesterday they looked so disorganised the sort of thing that should come with a decent manager and some leadership

 

Well,that's Adkins out then.

[COMEONYOUREDS]

Players have to take some responsibility. We are a shambles right now

[kelkel31]

i agree with the sentiment of the original poster, the players are letting us down.

 

but i think its rare that you can get a group of people as large as a football team/squad to organize anything, it always takes a strong figure head to take charge and direct all the resources available, a manager if you will. this is something weve lacked for a long time. AP was a good manager in creating a squad but failed to motivate at keys times in last season and often failed personally on match days, not worth sacking on performance issues but would have a grade of could do better.

 

along with having a great understanding of football a manager must have a huge set of brass balls, to both direct and motivate what is increasingly a bunch of pre-Madonnas at all levels of football but to able to question himself, admit he ****ed up and make the immediate changes that may effect a game(not the like for like we always have).

 

in my mid we had for a short while this person in nigel person and as fans whether we know it or not we have rued the day the club let him go! we need another but can we get one under the current club set up, i dont know.

 

other than that sack the players - lol

[Turkish]

Unfortunately they will still earn in a week what i earn in a year...well,almost.

They don't give a monkeys who's shirt they wear or what team it represents.

Mercenaries...the lot of 'em.

 

Our best payed player in on £8k a week apparantly, you need to get a new job, you are being shafted.

[Turkish]

i agree with the sentiment of the original poster, the players are letting us down.

 

but i think its rare that you can get a group of people as large as a football team/squad to organize anything, it always takes a strong figure head to take charge and direct all the resources available, a manager if you will. this is something weve lacked for a long time. AP was a good manager in creating a squad but failed to motivate at keys times in last season and often failed personally on match days, not worth sacking on performance issues but would have a grade of could do better.

 

along with having a great understanding of football a manager must have a huge set of brass balls, to both direct and motivate what is increasingly a bunch of pre-Madonnas at all levels of football but to able to question himself, admit he ****ed up and make the immediate changes that may effect a game(not the like for like we always have).

 

in my mid we had for a short while this person in nigel person and as fans whether we know it or not we have rued the day the club let him go! we need another but can we get one under the current club set up, i dont know.

 

other than that sack the players - lol

 

Personally i think the motivation thing is a load of nonsense. These are profesional sportsmen, they are generally self motivated people, that is why they do the job they do, they dont or shouldnt need motivation, if i was a manager of a football club i wouldn't sign a player that needed motivation. If winning league titles, cups and playing in front of 20,000 people every week doesn't motivate them they are ****s. What a good manager can do though is inspire a player, make average players feel like world beaters & make teams feel unbeatable and get the best out of them.

[Turkish]

TBH he might as well had not been on the pitch yesterday, not sure if he is still carrying an injury, and doesnt seem hungry for the ball anymore, is hardly winning any headers.

 

and he came out with all that s*it on the OS about how up for it he feels. They should cut out all this talk and concentrate on player better. Fonte is playing like he's never kicked a football before too, Schniderlin is not at the races. It's telling that our best player so far this season is a kid who was playing at Easleigh a year ago, he should be looking up to these guys for leadership but seems to be carrying them.

[broncoboy]

It does amaze me that players who have played the game from about 8 still need a manager to organise and motivate them.

 

If NA doesn't want to come or won't take action to instigate the move then we should take PB and get on with it.

 

RL was unlikely to score the same number of goals this season.

 

We do lack pace and guile and Jaidi and KD are sadly over the hill.

 

Hopefully the new manager will kick some arse and by the way tell the players to shoot at the goal as they have seemed to forget they need to do that.

 

In fact forget all of the above just tell him to kick their arses good and hard

[surrey1saint]

Really think Lambert should be dropped for the next game, but then we have no one to put in his place, need a manager desperately and some loan signings in to provide cover up front.

 

What the hell is wrong with Lambo? He is key to our poor performance IMO.

[Legod Third Coming]

It does amaze me that players who have played the game from about 8 still need a manager to organise and motivate them.

 

If NA doesn't want to come or won't take action to instigate the move then we should take PB and get on with it.

 

RL was unlikely to score the same number of goals this season.

 

We do lack pace and guile and Jaidi and KD are sadly over the hill.

 

Hopefully the new manager will kick some arse and by the way tell the players to shoot at the goal as they have seemed to forget they need to do that.

 

In fact forget all of the above just tell him to kick their arses good and hard

 

It's not amazing at all. Does Lewis Hamilton (who has been driving since he was 3) not need someone to tell him when to pit? Does Roger Federer not still have a coach?

 

11 people require someone to lead them, otherwise why don't we scrap the Generals and just give our troops more bullets?

 

I'm not saying the players are blameless but NO footballer wants to lose. It is unbelievably rare for a footballer NOT to try. What sportsman other than a Pakistani cricketer does not want to win every game?

 

What our players need is leadership, organisation and motivation.

[sunrise]

The players can't be bothered to perform on the pitch so why should I bother turning up to watch them?

[kpturner]

The players can't be bothered to perform on the pitch so why should I bother turning up to watch them?

Maybe you shouldn't.

[Wopper]

Donkeys with big heads

[RonManager]

The players can't be bothered to perform on the pitch so why should I bother turning up to watch them?

 

Maybe you shouldn't.

 

Oh please please do, it just wouldn't be the same without you old boy/girl, whoever you are.

[RonManager]

Donkeys with big heads

 

Yes, I can see them too, it's not just the medication kicking in!

[Saint J 77]

say all you like about management, the 11 we have out should be enough to see off what we have come up against since AP went. F*cking Swindon twice, tiny club from a sh*t hole, with average players. The players we have, if they are proffesionals,should turn in performances aginast the sh*t we have been up against enough to win. These mugs are not doing the business for SFC. The players have been cun*ts and need to raise their game, at the moment none of them are fit to wear the SFC shirt.

 

Exactly what I was saying yesterday at 5.15. We have lost 5 times to them now since we began life as a league 1 football club. Its not good enough :@

[RonManager]

Exactly what I was saying yesterday at 5.15. We have lost 5 times to them now since we began life as a league 1 football club. Its not good enough :@

 

4 times - there, see, it's not quite so bad is it?

[derry]

You cannot blame the players. The problem is that under Pardew we basically played safe and underperformed. Now there is no manager but the caretaker is carrying on in the same way.

It appeared to me that both Pardew and Wilkins suffer from the same problem, pick a system to play and shoehorn the players into it and if it means playing players that don't suit the preferred system do so. The best managers at any level devise a system that blends the strengths and weaknesses of their players. Those that manage teams that overperform understand the balances with the requirement to be compact in defence and stretch and overload defences in attack. The teams invariably play with dynamism and movement and always have players with pace. On the other hand we have glaring weaknesses. A goalkeeper that shotstops but little else, a decent back four then a bunch of problems brought on by a static central midfield, narrow left and right midfielders lacking real pace and the preference and ability to get to the byelines, an unfit and immobile Lambert and Connolly not able to compensate.

 

Until we sort the goalkeeper and play from the back, speed up the central midfield, widen the attack and get Lambert fit we are going to be predictable, easy to handle and struggle to win games on anything like the regular basis needed for promotion. We need to bring in some pace and replace at least one of the central midfielders with De Prado.

 

The most important thing is to urgently get in an overachieving manager that will automatically sort this out.

Edited 12 September, 2010 by derry

[kpturner]

You cannot blame the players. The problem is that under Pardew we basically played safe and underperformed. Now there is no manager but the caretaker is carrying on in the same way.

It appeared to me that both Pardew and Wilkins suffer from the same problem, pick a system to play and shoehorn the players into it and if it means playing players that don't suit the preferred system do so. The best managers at any level devise a system that blends the strengths and weaknesses of their players. Those that manage teams that overperform understand the balances with the requirement to be compact in defence and stretch and overload defences in attack. The teams invariably play with dynamism and movement and always have players with pace. On the other hand we have glaring weaknesses. A goalkeeper that shotstops but little else, a decent back four then a bunch of problems brought on by a static central midfield, narrow left and right midfielders lacking real pace and the preference and ability to get to the byelines, an unfit and immobile Lambert and Connolly not able to compensate.

 

Until we sort the goalkeeper and play from the back, speed up the central midfield, widen the attack and get Lambert fit we are going to be predictable, easy to handle and struggle to win games on anything like the regular basis needed for promotion. We need to bring in some pace and replace at least one of the central midfielders with De Prado.

 

The most important thing is to urgently get in an overachieving manager that automatically sort this out.

When you put it like that, it is a small miracle that we ever won any games last season or this.

[derry]

When you put it like that, it is a small miracle that we ever won any games last season or this.

 

We've lost Waigo and Antonio and because of our faults have been worked out by the other teams. If Adkins comes in, either the playes will play differently or the answer will be brought in.

[wild-saint]

Its Pardews fault where we are at this point. With his antics he has destroyed team spirit and got himself sacked to boot. Everyone knows the what the training ground rumours were well I have had it 100% confirmed by someone inside the club. HE is a disgrace and should firmly should the blame for the current mood within the camp. NC had no choice but to remove him as none of the senior players would back him.

 

Add to that his failure to get the team remotley fit in preseason we are now on a collision course with the foot of the table.

 

The sooner we get a manager in who can organise and motivate the side we are on a downward spiral.

[CanadaSaint]

IMO we have a number of on-pitch problems to go with our off-pitch problems. I agree with what derry says on the tactical front, but two others are proving critical.

 

Firstly, I have grave doubts about our fitness levels. It's no coincidence that we seem to dominate early and lose (relatively) late, seemingly unable to "find another gear" when we need to rescue the game.

 

Secondly, there's a huge leadership void. When things go pear-shaped they stay pear-shaped, because there's nobody on the pitch capable of pulling us back together. We look like a team without character and lacking in intestinal fortitude.

 

What I wouldn't give for a Bally-type or a Jimmy Case - someone who will rollock players if they fall short in effort level or start departing from the tactical script. Much to my disappointment, it's clear that Hammond is not that guy.

 

These two issues are really hurting us now but they'll kill us later on if we don't finish in the top two. Lacking fitness and lacking character are terminal failings when the playoffs roll around.

Edited 12 September, 2010 by CanadaSaint
Additional thought

[doddisalegend]

So we don't need a manager then? the players should be able to sort out themselves? NC will be happy that will save a few bob in compo. Funnily enough when we had a manager it was all his fault when the players didn't perform. No we don't have a manager it's the players fault. I bet the players can't wait for a new manager then they can go back to not being responsible for bad performances.

[red&white56]

I have had it 100% confirmed by someone inside the club

 

Can you enlighten me? I don't know anyone inside the club and have rely on what I read here or in the press to figure why AP was released.

[doddisalegend]

I have had it 100% confirmed by someone inside the club

 

Can you enlighten me? I don't know anyone inside the club and have rely on what I read here or in the press to figure why AP was released.

 

He slept with all the plays wives (allegadly no actual evidence has been produced apart from I know someone at the club) so far ITK's have confirmed it was Fonte's wife, Lambert's wife and Connolly's wife, what part Wally downes was playing I don't know (double teaming prehaps). AP had destroyed team morale to the point that they were able to thrash Bristol rovers 4-0. Once they players got rid of evil Alan they where much happier as shown by thier amazing string of results since. Hope this helps.

[Saint Without a Halo]

The players should be able to beat the teams they are up against! They just dont seem to want to bother! one defeat can happen to anyone two is unlucky but 3 in 5 against botom of the table division 3 opposition shows something is very wrong with both confidence and attitude

[Channon's Sideburns]

TBF A team from SWF would play with a whole lot more pride at the moment.

 

I'd give my right boll0ck for ONE ******* MATCH in a Saints shirt. UNPAID.

[saint_mears]

I think the players are disillusioned by the sacking of Pardew as most of them only came to Saints because of him.

 

When i hear one of the players refer to cortese recently as a 'dickhead' then i think that says it all !

[Channon's Sideburns]

I think the players are disillusioned by the sacking of Pardew as most of them only came to Saints because of him.

 

When i hear one of the players refer to cortese recently as a 'dickhead' then i think that says it all !

 

Cortese, rightly or wrongly in the players' eyes, is paid to run the club as a business.

He's not there to be their 'best mate'.

 

The players are paid to put in 100% effort for their club.

 

If they think he's a 'dickhead' there's every chance he's doing things the right way. The fact they think that whilst putting in 50-60%speaks volumes.