eelpie Posted 10 April, 2013 Share Posted 10 April, 2013 Way back in the dark days before the duckhunter was ousted first time there was an attempt by some Saints supporters to buy shares in SFC. It came to nothing, it never looked likely to succeed and if it had would probably have been a financial disaster. That was before we actually did go into administration and nearly ceased to exist. Now Portsmouth Supporters look to have become owners of Pompey. I think they are clutching at straws in hoping that they will be able to save their club. But part of me hopes they will. Because without the skates there will be no rivalry. My question is, is there a bond between fierce rivals? Who hopes that PFC survive? Does anyone know of skates that would have been sad if Saints had ceased to exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 But they aint owners...they have 20% share in the club and in business terms....20% represents the square root of f uck all....a few property developers will now own the shell of a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 We were never close to ceasing to exist and as such there was no need for a share buying scheme. The only reason I the PDT have done it is because they have been into administration twice in three years and it was their absolute last resort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 It appears that the thread title has nothing to do with the question being asked. Logic circuits bypass! :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 probably wont play them again for at least 30 years, so not really rivals anymore. We should choose a bigger club to be rivals, like Basingstoke or someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 Lolz I posted this link on the PTS. Answers the OP perfectly and deserves a read - just imagine some of the cyber bullies on this forum making the decisions at Saints...... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2306489/Martin-Samuel-A-real-football-club-sacrificed-cyberspaces-howling-mob.html .....that was sacrificed to the modern obsession with Have Your Say Now, the desire to possess direct influence over everything from who plays Dorothy to who plays centre forward. It is a very modern phenomenon. Football supporters have always complained that the manager is clueless and the board no better, but this fixation with having input is new. It is only recently that managers like Gary Megson, Alex McLeish and Rafael Benitez have been booed into their jobs. Political discourse has never been shallower, but the world wants its say on the boss of Bolton Wanderers and Britain’s top dog act, and it wants it this minute. It wants to hit the red button, it wants to tweet, it wants a petition, a Facebook group, a flash mob, a howling mob, it doesn’t know what the hell it wants half the time, but it wants to decide. And Ebbsfleet United are the collateral damage. A struggling football club, ripe for takeover, fell into the hands of keyboard warriors who wanted to tell the manager what to do, often anonymously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 (edited) Lolz I posted this link on the PTS. Answers the OP perfectly and deserves a read - just imagine some of the cyber bullies on this forum making the decisions at Saints...... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2306489/Martin-Samuel-A-real-football-club-sacrificed-cyberspaces-howling-mob.html Cyber bullies? Now who can you mean?? One thing is sure. There is no way that we can finish as high as tenth. The bullies say so. Edited 11 April, 2013 by Tamesaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 Tbh I admire Portsmouth fc fans on this one. They have got off their backsides and done something about situation. To say that 20% means nothing is completed rubbish as rupert I think only owned about 10% of our club so they are in strong position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 Maybe they should get off their backsides and go to the match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 Yes, I hope they survive, and I also hope they will get back to top level (although it's very unlikely for all foreseeable future). The derby games adds a tension and a nerve no other games in the PL has, and I get much more joy from that, than from watching a football club going bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 If there'd been a partial fans takeover with Saints we wouldn't be in the Premier League now, and we have a lot more supporters than that lot down the road have. None of their 'high net worth' people have the money to finance Premier League football and we shouldn't be playing them in the league anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 Tbh I admire Portsmouth fc fans on this one. They have got off their backsides and done something about situation. To say that 20% means nothing is completed rubbish as rupert I think only owned about 10% of our club so they are in strong position. Rupert only owned 10% sure enough but he had the support of all the big institutions who held shares in us. As for Pompey the fans own a minority of the shares compared to the property developers - it is only a matter of time before their world disintegrates in rancour, it is inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 There are plenty of good examples of fan ownership/participation throughout football. However the Skate fans won't actually own anything, so not the best example to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 (edited) Tbh I admire Portsmouth fc fans on this one. They have got off their backsides and done something about the situation If they'd taken their heads out of the sand and "got off their backsides" 5 years ago rather than wallowing in faux ignorance enroute to cheating their way to premier league 'glory' and FA Cup final appearances they wouldn't have needed to bail out the club on the back of yet more debt this time around. Admire? My arse Edited 11 April, 2013 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 If they'd taken their heads out of the sand and "got off their backsides" 5 years ago rather than wallowing in faux ignorance enroute to cheating their way to premier league 'glory' and FA Cup final appearances they wouldn't have needed to bailed out the club on the back of yet more debt than time around. Respect? My arse Exactly. They weren't bothered about doing anything when playing in Cup Finals and the Premier League with players they could never afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 To answer the question a football club isn't a democracy. You can't run it by committee. You need a rich clever autocratic dictator. Good ones are as rare as rocking horse sh*t. We got very very lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Matty Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 I am pleased they survived as we need the rivalry to keep us focused. I doubt they will do much more than league 1 with the size of fan base. For those who think it does not work then I am pretty sure Barcelona are owned by their fans who vote for a President/Board every 3 to 5 years and then leave them to manage the club. I may be wrong on some of these points so please correct me. From the Saints point perspective - if PFC can get 2,000 fans chipping in a grand each then we would certainly get 5000 to 10,000 = 5 to 10milion. So if it all goes pear shaped with NC we do have a back up plan. And big enough to compete in the Championship/Prem? And for the record I would be happy to be President at slightly less than NC gets. One year in the job then retire before the cyber warriors destroy me - with a million in the bank - its a plan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 It will end in tears and another 10 point deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Matty Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 It will end in tears and another 10 point deduction. Probably - what happens this season with the 10 pointer - is that removed now they are out of admin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 11 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 11 April, 2013 Probably - what happens this season with the 10 pointer - is that removed now they are out of admin? It wasn't for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 I would cease to support the club if any fans were involved as basically we are all ****witz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 Anyone just needs to look at the Mathieu Flamini thread to see what would happen if the fans get hold of the club - the 'discussion' around Schneiderlin's value is entertaining on a forum but would be a disaster in the board room. Let's just sit back and watch the mob at the other end of the M27 and see how long it takes them to start the infighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 Anyone just needs to look at the Mathieu Flamini thread to see what would happen if the fans get hold of the club - the 'discussion' around Schneiderlin's value is entertaining on a forum but would be a disaster in the board room. Let's just sit back and watch the mob at the other end of the M27 and see how long it takes them to start the infighting. That's obviously not how supporter ownership works is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 That's obviously not how supporter ownership works is it? No but its an indication of the pressures that will be put on those in charge. And lets face it any number of fans will think they have more of a say given 'fan ownership'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 In fairness, when fans were buying up available shares back in the days before Lowe was ousted by Wilde etc, the purpose was not to own the club. The purpose was to have a say in the EGM in which Lowe was ultimately ousted. I don't think there was any intention, or belief, that the fans would buy out a controlling share of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 If the fans took ownership of the club, I would suggest that virtual board meetings are held on this forum at 5:30pm on Saturdays after we have just lost a fixture. Thats when most people are able to think clearly and objectively, and make rational decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 No but its an indication of the pressures that will be put on those in charge. And lets face it any number of fans will think they have more of a say given 'fan ownership'. You think fan ownership involves a group of fans stood around in the boardroom debating the value of a player, that's obviously not what happens. Can you give me an example from any of the clubs that have some form of fan ownership of anything like this happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 Am I pleased they didn't fold? Yes - the rivalry is great and there would be no gloating to be had at their slow drop down the tables if they went bust. Am I pleased they are still in L1? No - they don't deserve to be and I will be pleased if/when they go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 Tbh I admire Portsmouth fc fans on this one. They have got off their backsides and done something about situation. To say that 20% means nothing is completed rubbish as rupert I think only owned about 10% of our club so they are in strong position. Collecting pennies in buckets will not take the club anywhere at all. The utter euphoria on the BBC yesterday over this trivial news item was excessive and blew the matter up into something akin to Mourinio going to Portsmouth next year. As far as I could make out, a judge said a supporters group COULD buy the club. It's going to cost about 3m which is all the money they have? Now what? I'm no Pompey hater by the way but that completely out of proportion coverage was just ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 I would have preferred liquidation but fair play to he blue few, even though they don't have full ownership the important thing for them was to get rid of Chanrai etc. I think fan ownership will be a complete disaster though. The Ted Bates statue was a perfect example of what happens when football fans get to make decisions that should be left to business people. Even though a CEO will be appointed he will be in a no-win situation of having to keep the mong hoards happy whilst making important tough, unpopular decisions. Coupled with the fact that the skates are not the cleverest bunch and have delusions of grandeur - you have a recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 I hope that fan ownership works for them. But the reality of the situation is that they have a crumbling stadium, and no value in the team. Unless the HNW shareholders dig deep into their pockets and they gain from a stadium site development, then they may become an established Div1 team, and in a few years may manage the occasional foray into the Championship. The sad fact is that that successful Prem and Championship clubs need very wealthy owners these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivangolac Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 The next time they go bust will be the best. Then they'll really have no-one to blame but themselves ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 The next time they go bust will be the best. Then they'll really have no-one to blame but themselves ..... And they will lose a grand each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 They're not out of admin yet, the -10 will come when that actually happens - though if they're already relegated by then I fully expect the FL to make a -10 in League 2 a condition of them receiving the "golden share", along with the already-threatened transfer and financial restrictions. I do think we should now start another thread for non-admin related Skate hate though. You'll learn more about it than the media can tell you in the nutjob thread here http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?14620-Pompey-Takeover-Saga&p=1664656#post1664656 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 April, 2013 Share Posted 11 April, 2013 The next time they go bust will be the best. Then they'll really have no-one to blame but themselves ..... I wouldn't put it past them to blame the Football League for blocking the Harris bid and 'forcing' the Trust to 'reluctantly' takeover. Don't forget that they have a history airbrushing machine at their disposal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 12 April, 2013 Share Posted 12 April, 2013 As far as I could make out, a judge said a supporters group COULD buy the club. Don't get sucked in to the spin. The Judge didn't decide anything. There is no judgement. The two Parties (PKF & Portpin) reached an "out of Court" settlement, with PKF paying Portpin's costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 12 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2013 You think fan ownership involves a group of fans stood around in the boardroom debating the value of a player, that's obviously not what happens. Can you give me an example from any of the clubs that have some form of fan ownership of anything like this happening? Barcelona German clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 April, 2013 Share Posted 12 April, 2013 Barcelona German clubs? Well I think that proves my point doesn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 12 April, 2013 Share Posted 12 April, 2013 There's this little thread I know........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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