Master Bates Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Would Saints pay up his contract to get rid of him? :smt102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 16 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2008 why? Heard we were in talks with him about paying up his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Well, why not. If we paid up his contract he's cost the same as if he'd have stayed (let's face it there's no win bonuses to be had) but we can't get him to play. It'll give all those 17 year olds a crack at the first team. We need some youth in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 I think Euell could prove to be a vital player for us this season, so I don't see the point of paying up his contract when we could use that money to make him earn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 I think Euell could prove to be a vital player for us this season, so I don't see the point of paying up his contract when we could use that money to make him earn it. Agreed. I think he could become a very important player for the season, as he's the only one who seems to know how to make an intelligent run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 There'd be no point at all in our paying up his contract in full. However, financially, it might make sense if he is on a big wage to offer him say half of his remaining money, thereby saving half and from his point of view making him a free agent to find another contract. Whether it makes sense in football terms is another matter. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Interesting. It's possible we could make him an offer, but it would have to be a big cut (at least half of his wages) for us to consider doing it, I think. Looking at the example of some of our other players off-loaded in the summer, he may realise that he could well be unlikely to get another club willing to match his wages, so Jason may just choose to see out his contract with us. I'm almost certain he could have been had on a free transfer in the summer and it doesn't seem like we were inundated with others for him? If it saved us a lot of money, then I can see the reasoning behind it, but I would personally like to see him stay. He offers us a bit of physical presence up front and he has quite a lot of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 I could not believe what Jan was supposed to have said about him to the commentator before the Palace game. If Jan does not rwate him then perhaps he will go but I myself have faith in his professionalism and will to be a major part in helping us out of the mire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 I could not believe what Jan was supposed to have said about him to the commentator before the Palace game. If Jan does not rwate him then perhaps he will go but I myself have faith in his professionalism and will to be a major part in helping us out of the mire Hadn't heard about that Nick, must have not been listening at that point, could you share with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Hadn't heard about that Nick, must have not been listening at that point, could you share with us?Jan told Tyler that he thought Euell couldnt read the young players minds in how they passed and played.Or words to that effect. To me that was terrible man management as it made Euell look either stupid or not any good.Some will say that is correct, but to me he is what we need , although I didnt see him play at Burnley and so may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Jan told Tyler that he thought Euell couldnt read the young players minds in how they passed and played.Or words to that effect. To me that was terrible man management as it made Euell look either stupid or not any good.Some will say that is correct, but to me he is what we need , although I didnt see him play at Burnley and so may be wrong. Maybe it's because he want's to go forward not across the field. We have much bigger problems than Euell and JP isn't seeing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Maybe it's because he want's to go forward not across the field. We have much bigger problems than Euell and JP isn't seeing them.Derry I understand and agree with you.I was one early on who questioned lallanas ability ie in shooting and end product. I also do not wish to criticise him too harshly as the fans love to make a hero and villain. DMG is the villain while AL has the fancy footwork that gets him out of jail when it comes to fair criticism. Lallana is still learning and does have some wonderful skill he just needs to be coached into making the right decisions and learn to make the difference in the 18 yard box not on the halfway line.he also needs to learn to challenge for aerial balls. I want him and DMG to develop into the players they have to potential to become and so am trying to hold off slagging any of them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Euell is a key player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 16 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Euell is a key player. Some on here would say a 'donkey' player, mwahhhhhh ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Get out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Jan told Tyler that he thought Euell couldnt read the young players minds in how they passed and played.Or words to that effect. To me that was terrible man management as it made Euell look either stupid or not any good.Some will say that is correct, but to me he is what we need , although I didnt see him play at Burnley and so may be wrong. Nick, the way I heard was that Tyler said that Jason Euell was fit but left out of the squad. He then said Jan said some of the more senior players weren't on the same wavelength as the younger players. I took the comment to not be personally directed at Euell but all the 'senior' players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Jan told Tyler that he thought Euell couldnt read the young players minds in how they passed and played.Or words to that effect. To me that was terrible man management as it made Euell look either stupid or not any good.Some will say that is correct, but to me he is what we need , although I didnt see him play at Burnley and so may be wrong. he was basically saying that as we have so many kids in the team sometimes its better to play more kids that are already on the same wavelength due to playing so much together already. it wasnt a dig at Euell as such. We all think that the team needs players like Euell to give the kids direction and leadership so would have him in the team. jan thinks that if you have 4 kids that know each others games inside out why split them up by replacing 1 of them with a older player that has a different outlook on the game? i can see his point to a degree but personally I think without Euell the ballence is not right and he does add to the team. Of all the experienced players we have had at the club Euell has adapted the most and tried to fit in any system that he has been asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 is he on 10k a week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 I think Euell has been a decent player for us since towards the end of last season when 1st arrived I thought he was gash but he won me round with some MOM peformances last season and when he has been playing this season he has done well DMG is a different player when Euell plays we need somone with a physical prescence and a bit of experience I hope he stays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Jan told Tyler that he thought Euell couldnt read the young players minds in how they passed and played.Or words to that effect. To me that was terrible man management as it made Euell look either stupid or not any good.Some will say that is correct, but to me he is what we need , although I didnt see him play at Burnley and so may be wrong. That doesn't exactly tie in with this article though does it? http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 That doesn't exactly tie in with this article though does it? http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10902I was relaying Jan had said to Martyin Tyler a fortnight ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Probably the siutation is the same as in the Summer. Euell is a good player, but we want to offload him because of high wages and the fact he doesnt fit easily into the style we are playing. However there have been no offers and now the club is negotiating to pay him off for less than the cost of keeping him for his full contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 I was relaying Jan had said to Martyin Tyler a fortnight ago. I know. Still doesn't sound quite right to me though. I think Jan appreciates the Mule's talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Jan told Tyler that he thought Euell couldnt read the young players minds in how they passed and played.Or words to that effect. To me that was terrible man management as it made Euell look either stupid or not any good.Some will say that is correct, but to me he is what we need , although I didnt see him play at Burnley and so may be wrong. i could be wrong but i thought that jan was talking about all of the older players not being able to read what the youngsters wanted to do,i dont think anybody specific was mentioned.euell was mentioned in the same interview but it was unrelated to the above???? as i said i could be wrong? whatever was said i would like to think that we could keep hold of euell,he seems to add that extra bit of bite when he plays and he is not afraid to yell at the youngsters when they are not doing the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Jan told Tyler that he thought Euell couldnt read the young players minds in how they passed and played.Or words to that effect. To me that was terrible man management as it made Euell look either stupid or not any good.Some will say that is correct, but to me he is what we need , although I didnt see him play at Burnley and so may be wrong. Thanks Nick, interesting comments from JP. Perhaps he feels that they aren't taking on the mentoring role he had hoped or it could be that he's priming us for all the big earners being off-loaded in the window. I agree though, not ideal man-management with the XMAS fixtures before the window opens. I'm concerned that Chez was right yesterday and teams will wait on taking the big earners until the last day - as Hertha & Bolton did - and squeeze the price on Surman and Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 If Euell wanted to stay at Saints, would it not be completely out of the equation for him to negotiate a new contract on a lower wage? I see Kuqi of Palace is looking to do something similar to remain at the club. Our players know how tight for cash we are at the minute, and they'd still be on big wages in comparison to those in other professions. Too much to ask or a realistic option? Hmm . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Would Saints pay up his contract to get rid of him? :smt102 Goodness me, you will be starting rumours in the Mirror next. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2008/12/16/southampton-want-to-pay-off-jason-euell-115875-20974725/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 16 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Please don't insult me, i'm a 'The Sun' type of man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 If Lallana and Surman are both off then paying off Euells contract would be ridiculous. Our midfield with Lallana, Surman, Euell and maybe Cork wouldn't even be worth thinking about. Would be almost as weak as our bunch of strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 If Euell wanted to stay at Saints, would it not be completely out of the equation for him to negotiate a new contract on a lower wage? I see Kuqi of Palace is looking to do something similar to remain at the club. Our players know how tight for cash we are at the minute, and they'd still be on big wages in comparison to those in other professions. Too much to ask or a realistic option? Hmm . . . I would imagine that we would only offer vastly reduced terms though. There are rumours he is on anywhere between £8-15k p/w. Just plucking a figure from the sky, I would imagine we would be unwilling to pay him any more than 5k at the most, more likely 2 or 3. That is a hell of a pay cut. Plus with the dangers of relegation looming over us, I doubt we would be willing to extend his contract past this season anyway. If we stay up, we may well wish to keep him, but I can't see us wanting to be tied in to paying him for an additional year, if the worst happens and we slip into league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 We moan about a lack of experience, then query Euell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 We moan about a lack of experience, then query Euell. It's the price that experience comes at that is the issue though. If he is on the reported £10-15k a week, Rupert might be tempted to save money by paying him 50% up front to go and I can't see the bank saying no. If that means we can renew our contribution to Cork's loan I'd have to say yes, much as I think Euell can still do a decent job for us IMO. Wasn't there an OS article earlier in the season on his positive impact on the youmg players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 If Lallana and Surman are both off then paying off Euells contract would be ridiculous. Our midfield with Lallana, Surman, Euell and maybe Cork wouldn't even be worth thinking about. Would be almost as weak as our bunch of strikers. Do we have more than one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 he doesnt fit easily into the style we are playing. i really don't think what style we are playing is at all relevant - because we don't play in any style, we just hope that the defence we're against might kindly let us walk past even if you think that we do play a simple form of total football then the fact that he set up both goals on saturday must prove he is capable of playing the style. if he can do it but the youth players, who have supposedly been playing 4-4-3 with short passing through the academy, can't, then pick him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 If Euell wanted to stay at Saints, would it not be completely out of the equation for him to negotiate a new contract on a lower wage? I see Kuqi of Palace is looking to do something similar to remain at the club. Our players know how tight for cash we are at the minute, and they'd still be on big wages in comparison to those in other professions. Too much to ask or a realistic option? Hmm . . . I was hoping the same would be true of Kelvin, seeing as he's so keen to stay.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 I think euell is crap and has been a let down really considering he played loads of games in the premiership and is hardly over the hill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 try to renegotitate with je so he gets pay as you play deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 i could be wrong but i thought that jan was talking about all of the older players not being able to read what the youngsters wanted to do,i dont think anybody specific was mentioned.euell was mentioned in the same interview but it was unrelated to the above???? as i said i could be wrong? whatever was said i would like to think that we could keep hold of euell,he seems to add that extra bit of bite when he plays and he is not afraid to yell at the youngsters when they are not doing the right thing. Think you are wrong. JP was definitely referring to Euell in part when he replied, though not trying to say he was the only one. If there is any excuse for what JP said, it could only be that English is not his mother tongue, and it came over a bit wrong. Still in my mind if Euell cannot read what McG is doing then that must be a plus, because neither can anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 It wouldn't shock me. Most of the decisions have been really controversial. SAME OLD SAME OLD. WOULDN'T SHOCK ME IF THEY EXTENDED PORTFLLEEETTTTTEIIEJFJDIOPDPO contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 If JP is not going to play Euell then I could understand it from a financial point of view, but when fit he should be in the 16 without question IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 December, 2008 Share Posted 17 December, 2008 Whichever way you cut the Saints cake, things are going to get worse and I have a grave expectation that Lowe is preparing the club for L1, just like he prepared us for CCC - err, didn't he? Anyway, Euell has been a key player - losing him is just one more nail in the coffin (unless losing him means keeping one of Rasiak, Saga or John, but I don't think so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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