doddisalegend Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 Err except the performances were very different and we played different teams. No they weren't we were terrible at the start of last season certainly not playing any better than we currently are. We drew with a team ultimately relegated, were destroyed at home by a terrible Everton team and err drew with Watford. Love how people are trying to re-write the beginning of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 Last seasons start was a lot ****er tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 Last seasons start was a lot ****er tbf. True and it was not long before Koeman was "2 games from the chop" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 No they weren't we were terrible at the start of last season certainly not playing any better than we currently are. We drew with a team ultimately relegated, were destroyed at home by a terrible Everton team and err drew with Watford. Love how people are trying to re-write the beginning of last season. Disagree I'm afraid. We didn't play as badly against Newcastle. There are defficicnes in our performances largely imo because of the formation. I'm not rewriting anything and it's pretty patronising of you to suggest that is what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 (edited) Err except the performances were very different and we played different teams. Who said this pal after last season's result at watford (same team)? Yet another abject performance this season bereft of entertainment. We seem to have lost our identity. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is worried about the direction our transfer dealings are taking us. You can't stand still in the prem, you should be looking to improve all the time and better teams than us have seen the wheels fall off in the past. It seems to me that not only have we not stood still, we have gone backwards from last year and we haven't used the transfer income nearly as well this season as we did last. It's just not as satisfying to watch anymore. That team that came up was ours and we could be rightly proud of them. A group who came up through the leagues together and who I think all saints fans felt close to. It may just be me but I struggle to have the same affinity with some of the mediocrity we have bought in. The likes of Tadic just do not have the same potential as some of those. Other than the European games which have been great, I've struggled to watch the first three games of this season and that's partly due to what I've already outlined (abd because our okay has been dire). Edited 28 August, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 True and it was not long before Koeman was "2 games from the chop" Indeed. He was two games from the chop around December time, IIRC. But reading here the last few days you'd think we were some all conquering megateam week in week out under the last manager. It might still all turn out fine under Peulis* *it might not turn out fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 Err except the performances were very different and we played different teams. Agreed, we were worse last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 To put things into a bit of perspective, we looked much closer to being a good team than Sunderland or Watford. A Watford supporting mate said we should have battered them and Sunderland barely troubled us other than Defoe suckering Fonte into that penalty. We look better in defence, even without Bertrand, than we did at Newcastle and at home to Everton last year. We've also created some decent chances, which we failed to do in the 0-0 at Watford. West Ham, the self proclaimed 'big team' in London, have faired little better so far. They looked no better against Chelsea and City than we did at Utd, where we were hardly battered. They got a late win at home to a very poor, 10-man Bompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 Indeed. He was two games from the chop around December time, IIRC. But reading here the last few days you'd think we were some all conquering megateam week in week out under the last manager. It might still all turn out fine under Peulis* *it might not turn out fine. And the myths begin..how do you know he was two games from the sack? Quoting your opinion as fact again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 To put things into a bit of perspective, we looked much closer to being a good team than Sunderland or Watford. A Watford supporting mate said we should have battered them and Sunderland barely troubled us other than Defoe suckering Fonte into that penalty. We look better in defence, even without Bertrand, than we did at Newcastle and at home to Everton last year. We've also crated some decent chances, which we failed to do in the 0-0 at Watford. West Ham, the self proclaimed 'big team' in London, have faired little better so far. They looked no better against Chelsea and City than we did at Utd, where we were hardly battered. They got a late win at home to a very poor, 10-man Bompey. TBF the reason we look better in defence is that we have VVD this year and didn't for the start last year. Once he was in and settled we have been much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 And the myths begin..how do you know he was two games from the sack? Quoting your opinion as fact again? TBF it was being widely rumoured by ITKs and some press outlets. Not gospel but managers have been sacked for a lot less than 8 defeats (and a draw at home to Villa) in 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 That's exactly what happened. And yes, we have a manager who can't communicate with the players. And, after four weeks of trying I'm not sure he's going to be able to. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes, it seems the players have already concluded it's probably best just to take no notice of him: http://soccer-rumours.com/?story=35&buying=23&selling=3&player=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 Yes, it seems the players have already concluded it's probably best just to take no notice of him: http://soccer-rumours.com/?story=35&buying=23&selling=3&player=1 Do you realise that website features made up and fantasy rumours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 Do you realise that website features made up and fantasy rumours? You leave Sara Davidson alone. She looks lovely and almost real and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 It amazes me that people think the defence is fine. Jose does not want to be here (or is far off match fitness) and has been at fault for so much. Zlatan's goal, Defoe pen and numerous other near misses... he is currently more of a liability than Yoshi. Target is solid going forward but gets dicked defensively by anyone with speed. Romeu is not a solid CDM, whilst I rate him at driving forward, he loses the ball a lot more than wanyama defensively and does not win enough tackles. Then we can't score. The board have screwed up this summer spectacularly. We are poor ATM and don't seem to enter the opposition box and rely on 30ysrd shots 90% of the time. Very worrying times for the first 3 games. My only hope is that the quick passing and movement up front will click and we will become dangerous. We are awful so far though. That said the fans should not be booking yet. We had our best ever Prem finish last year. Now after 2 draws and a loss at the champions elect we have fans booing. Really hoped we were better than that as a fanbase and it certainly isn't the players/coaches fault. Blame should be placed at Reed's feet if fans want to vent dissatisfaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 TBF it was being widely rumoured by ITKs and some press outlets. Not gospel but managers have been sacked for a lot less than 8 defeats (and a draw at home to Villa) in 10 games. If he was two games from the sack why then did we offer him a new contract only 4 months later? I think the ITKs are contradicting themselves here somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 If he was two games from the sack why then did we offer him a new contract only 4 months later? I think the ITKs are contradicting themselves here somewhere? Did you watch the following four months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 And the myths begin..how do you know he was two games from the sack? Quoting your opinion as fact again? Your little obsession with me is awfully sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 I am Struggling slightly with this Diamond formation to be honest , a good coach should be adaptive he should adjust to the strengths of his squad and sometimes the opposition . Currently for me we seem to be playing a mish mash of styles and the players appear to be be struggling with it , there are times when we look look woefully narrow and then suddenly switch play opens the width ....at times it looks like the players a winging it . Either its Morphing into what Puel wants slowly or it really is a mish mash of style which will only go one way i am afraid , Tadic is best on the left and redmond on the right end of , if you have Boufal he plays in the middle .....but how that fits with the Puel system which frankly is not a diamond its currently a mes i dont know . Personal opinion only of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 Did you watch the following four months? That's crazy..so 8 poor games and the manager is about to be sacked..with us no where near being in relegation trouble and no real benefit of sacking him before the end of the season? then a good few months and the club Offer him an extended deal and pay rise? That makes very little sense..especially for a club which is supposedly so advanced with their plans, next 4 managers etc etc... Or are we saying actually we make it up as we go along, swinging from sacking someone to offering a new contracts in the space of less than half a season? Or perhaps (much more likely) in reality he wasn't two games from the sack at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 That's crazy..so 8 poor games and the manager is about to be sacked..with us no where near being in relegation trouble and no real benefit of sacking him before the end of the season? then a good few months and the club Offer him an extended deal and pay rise? That makes very little sense..especially for a club which is supposedly so advanced with their plans, next 4 managers etc etc... Or are we saying actually we make it up as we go along, swinging from sacking someone to offering a new contracts in the space of less than half a season? Or perhaps (much more likely) in reality he wasn't two games from the sack at all? Leeds have been through 3 different managers in half a season, why is it so hard to believe? If you really believe what you're saying, try being crap at your own job for 2 months. I think your boss may have a rather unpleasant surprise for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggytrousers Posted 28 August, 2016 Share Posted 28 August, 2016 Same result as last year but a much better performance, highlighted by the fact that the Sunderland Chronicle picked Jordan Pickford as man of the match : http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jordan-pickford-sunderlands-man-match-11812365? In last year's game we had to rely on a VVD injury time equaliser to rescue us after a really poor performance. We also started with 2 points after 3 games last year and had an absolute horror run mid-season so let's not pretend that the 4-2-3-1 always worked for us. It clearly didn't at times which is why RK changed to 3 at the back on multiple occasions. Also, I would like to point out that in our current run of form, if you include pre season, we have only lost 1 game out of 15, that's 1 game out of 15, and that was at Old Trafford against a star-studded Mourinho Man U. We have a new system, new manager and some exciting new talent (Boufal is seriously talented), which has great potential but is very young. Think we're at the very start of a journey here. Show some patience and give the team a chance to refine the system and make it click before you write it and them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 Leeds have been through 3 different managers in half a season, why is it so hard to believe? If you really believe what you're saying, try being crap at your own job for 2 months. I think your boss may have a rather unpleasant surprise for you. I thought we were different to clubs like Leeds who make snap (mental) decisions and pay the price for that...I suppose what you are saying is actually we are the same as everyone else- the Southampton way is 8 poor games and you are out (because we forget everything else you have done prior to that) but have a good run and we will forget that completely (as our memory is only about what happened recently) and give you a new contract with a pay rise. I really don't know what the inner sanctum at St Mary's is like so Fair enough it could be as you are describing......I still think that that is absolute madness if true... And in my job if I had two really poor months and then 4 good there is no way my boss would forget those 2 months and give me a pay rise just because of one good quarter. He would be looking at the whole year and saying to me "you are still lucky to have a job after those two months earlier this year so no pay rise for you sunshine!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 I thought we were different to clubs like Leeds who make snap (mental) decisions and pay the price for that...I suppose what you are saying is actually we are the same as everyone else- the Southampton way is 8 poor games and you are out (because we forget everything else you have done prior to that) but have a good run and we will forget that completely (as our memory is only about what happened recently) and give you a new contract with a pay rise. I really don't know what the inner sanctum at St Mary's is like so Fair enough it could be as you are describing......I still think that that is absolute madness if true... And in my job if I had two really poor months and then 4 good there is no way my boss would forget those 2 months and give me a pay rise just because of one good quarter. He would be looking at the whole year and saying to me "you are still lucky to have a job after those two months earlier this year so no pay rise for you sunshine!". In fairness it wasn't just that 8 games. It was a season where we'd crashed out of the Europa League with a whimper (when the board clearly wanted us to take it seriously) and looked like we weren't even going to get close. Pelle getting injured and Longs outstanding form saved Koemans job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 Who said this pal after last season's result at watford (same team)? Don't associate Hypo as full on bed wetter but like it when someone has the time to expose previous stuff. Naturally we can all change opinion of course. Never knew all these negative fckers used to be so positive and happy with all our performances previously and is only now they are hysterical. We seem to have collected a lot of Piers Morgan type fans who have no perspective whatsoever but can offer simple fixes as to how we simply should be winning every game in style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 It amazes me that people think the defence is fine. It amazes me that, although you haven't actually seen the defence play together yet this season due to injuries and fitness issues, you think it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 The defence is indeed fine. The problem is that conceding a single goal has been enough to at least prevent us winning in all three of our matches so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 We have a new system, new manager and some exciting new talent (Boufal is seriously talented), which has great potential but is very young. Think we're at the very start of a journey here. Show some patience and give the team a chance to refine the system and make it click before you write it and them off. Did I miss Boufal signing? Has his injury suddenly healed and he is fit to play? There are some seriously deluded people on here that claim not to be able to see that we are not OK this season. Yes we were poor last season early on with RK and also around Christmas, but being poor now does not mean all is well because all was well last season. RK got things working well eventually by going against what the Club wanted, changing style and tactics and upsetting the Board, eventually costing him his job. Does it look like CP will do the same? Does it heck as like. Our back 5 has not changed but we have lost the defensive shield that was Vic (I like Romeu but he is not Vic and at the moment seems to be struggling in this role). We have lost out creative spark, and no sign at the moment of that being replaced in the next few games at least. Its going to be a long hard season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 Did I miss Boufal signing? Has his injury suddenly healed and he is fit to play? There are some seriously deluded people on here that claim not to be able to see that we are not OK this season. Yes we were poor last season early on with RK and also around Christmas, but being poor now does not mean all is well because all was well last season. RK got things working well eventually by going against what the Club wanted, changing style and tactics and upsetting the Board, eventually costing him his job. Does it look like CP will do the same? Does it heck as like. Our back 5 has not changed but we have lost the defensive shield that was Vic (I like Romeu but he is not Vic and at the moment seems to be struggling in this role). We have lost out creative spark, and no sign at the moment of that being replaced in the next few games at least. Its going to be a long hard season. How the hell did it cost him his job he was offered a new contract that would of made him the best paid saints manager in the clubs history he instead chose another contract that was even better paid than that. I haven't seen one person suggest that being poor now will result in all being well later but equally a new manager with some new players having some early season poor games (which weren't any more poor as the first three fixtures last season) doesn't mean it's going to be a poor season either. Those pointing out our poor start last season are merely pointing out that three games into the season is way to early to making a judgement either way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 Did I miss Boufal signing? Umm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 True and it was not long before Koeman was "2 games from the chop" Koeman was also in new contract negotiations which always meant he might go rather than be a lame duck too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 (edited) Did I miss Boufal signing? Has his injury suddenly healed and he is fit to play? There are some seriously deluded people on here that claim not to be able to see that we are not OK this season. Yes we were poor last season early on with RK and also around Christmas, but being poor now does not mean all is well because all was well last season. RK got things working well eventually by going against what the Club wanted, changing style and tactics and upsetting the Board, eventually costing him his job. Does it look like CP will do the same? Does it heck as like. Our back 5 has not changed but we have lost the defensive shield that was Vic (I like Romeu but he is not Vic and at the moment seems to be struggling in this role). We have lost out creative spark, and no sign at the moment of that being replaced in the next few games at least. Its going to be a long hard season. The defensive shield that conceded in the last twelve matches of last season? Edited 29 August, 2016 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 Did I miss Boufal signing? Has his injury suddenly healed and he is fit to play? There are some seriously deluded people on here that claim not to be able to see that we are not OK this season. Yes we were poor last season early on with RK and also around Christmas, but being poor now does not mean all is well because all was well last season. RK got things working well eventually by going against what the Club wanted, changing style and tactics and upsetting the Board, eventually costing him his job. Does it look like CP will do the same? Does it heck as like. Our back 5 has not changed but we have lost the defensive shield that was Vic (I like Romeu but he is not Vic and at the moment seems to be struggling in this role). We have lost out creative spark, and no sign at the moment of that being replaced in the next few games at least. Its going to be a long hard season. The time to worry isn't when we fail to take our chances against Watford and Sunderland, it's when we're getting out played by those teams. 4 years ago when we were being outplayed at home by Wigan and letting in 6 at the Emirates, that was what I found worrying. When we had Guly and Seaborne on the bench, instead of Long and Yoshi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 Someone needs to tell the manager we play 433/4231 not a diamond and we don't have the squad for a diamond oh and sign him a strong tough centre forward who knows where the goal is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 August, 2016 Share Posted 29 August, 2016 Someone needs to tell the manager we play 433/4231 not a diamond and we don't have the squad for a diamond oh and sign him a strong tough centre forward who knows where the goal is! SRL is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 August, 2016 Share Posted 30 August, 2016 The defensive shield that conceded in the last twelve matches of last season? No the defensive shield who did not play in 4 of those games because he was suspended (and played 45 minutes in 2 more). Came on at half-time when we were 2 down to Liverpool, which we won 3-2. Also the 9 clean sheets that we kept when he started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 30 August, 2016 Share Posted 30 August, 2016 No the defensive shield who did not play in 4 of those games because he was suspended (and played 45 minutes in 2 more). Came on at half-time when we were 2 down to Liverpool, which we won 3-2. Also the 9 clean sheets that we kept when he started. The unreliable defensive shield then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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