Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[moonraker]

58 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I thought the general term we use is people letting off steam? How would you describe 4 years of trying to get a vote overturned that people didn't like?

How many armed thugs were recorded at the peaceful law-abiding demonstrations protesting the Brexit vote.  There were no arrests at any of the big pro EU marches.  To compare the two is crass, and obvious trolling.

Edited 8 January, 2021 by moonraker

[ecuk268]

And to think that Boris suggested nominating Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/the-morons-guide-to-not-voting-for-idiots-20210108204068

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, moonraker said:

How many armed thugs were recorded at the peaceful law-abiding demonstrations protesting the Brexit vote.  There were no arrests at any of the big pro EU marches.  To compare the two is crass, and obvious trolling.

And the weak, repetitive, line of somebody trying to avoid denouncing a violent assault on a centre of Government by associating heterogenous events.

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, moonraker said:

How man armed thugs were recorded at the peaceful law-abiding demonstrations protesting the Brexit vote.  To compare the two is crass, and obvious trolling.

i'm not comparing the two. Plenty of examples of anti Tory protests leading to violence. I'm simply pointing out yet again some are quick to condemn this, yet quick to defend any "left" protests.  Instead making justifications or excuses. 

This is how the fair minded left respond when they dont get their own way it seems

Not My Prime Minister Woman - YouTube

 

Edited 8 January, 2021 by Turkish

[moonraker]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

i'm not comparing the two. Plenty of examples of anti Tory protests leading to violence. I'm simply pointing out yet again some are quick to condemn this, yet quick to defend any "left" protests.  Instead making justifications or excuses. 

This is how the fair minded left respond when they dont get their own way it seems

Not My Prime Minister Woman - YouTube

 

She has Strong feelings, but no violence, swearing, threats or weapons.  If that’s you best example poor effort.  And will you right wingers please stop labelling everyone who opposes the right as lefties and socialist we are not any more than you are all fascists.  I just really don’t like the Tories, I am not to keen on the Corbyn wing of Labour either.  I know, you will have another playground label for me and those like me because it is easier than actually debating.

 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, moonraker said:

She has Strong feelings, but no violence, swearing, threats or weapons.  If that’s you best example poor effort.  And will you right wingers please stop labelling everyone who opposes the right as lefties and socialist we are not any more than you are all fascists.  I just really don’t like the Tories, I am not to keen on the Corbyn wing of Labour either.  I know, you will have another playground label for me and those like me because it is easier than actually debating.

 

LOL - labelling me a right winger then saying i'll have a playground label for you. So why are you labelling me a right winger? I'm opposed to all violence regarding of what "wing" it us. Not sure how that possible makes me right wing.

As for the women, that was just an example of a poor old leftie stamping their feet because she didn't get her way. Plenty of evidence of violence and clashes with police, but then i'm sure you know that already anyway, you just like to pretend that doesn't happen.

I've attempted plenty of debate on this thread, yet it seems when presented with a few facts and a bit of evidence that actually lefties riot too and in fact when they have quite a few on here have been applauding the behaviour everyone becomes very quiet, lies or tries to change the subject, funny that.

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[Weston Super Saint]

53 minutes ago, moonraker said:

How many armed thugs were recorded at the peaceful law-abiding demonstrations protesting the Brexit vote.  There were no arrests at any of the big pro EU marches.  To compare the two is crass, and obvious trolling.

What were all the 'armed thugs' below armed with?  Bad breath? Shit dress sense? Miserable sense of humor(sic)?

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

What were all the 'armed thugs' below armed with?  Bad breath? Shit dress sense? Miserable sense of humor(sic)?

At least one of them had a taser - but hadn't read the instruction leaflet.

The point is that this happened in the USA, where you can buy ammuntion with your weekly groceries, and none of these people had been searched. How many could have an automatic pistol under their clothing ? You don't know, nor did the Police, who actually did seize a small number of firearms that were being openly carried in a City with a "no open carry law".

[whelk]

13 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

What were all the 'armed thugs' below armed with?  Bad breath? Shit dress sense? Miserable sense of humor(sic)?

One photo brilliant. Although that cunt in the shorts should have been shot for that alone. I know you like your research so why don’t you look into all the groups that have been identified. I imagine you are not bright enough to work out what they stand for and probably just good old patriots to you.

Edited 8 January, 2021 by whelk

[badgerx16]

34 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I've attempted plenty of debate on this thread, yet it seems when presented with a few facts and a bit of evidence that actually lefties riot too and in fact when they have quite a few on here have been applauding the behaviour everyone becomes very quiet, lies or tries to change the subject, funny that.

Yes they do, but what you have to accept is when you are attempting to compare apples with pears. What happened in Washington was not equal to the anti-Brexit protests; nobody on either side was killed, nobody tried to directly and violently interfere with legitimate Government processes, the anti-Brexit protest wasn't fomented by the Leader of the country.

A more direct comparison with the BLM marches in the USA is relevant. But specifically in Washington DC, compare the images of the Policing of the BLM event to the lack of security at the Presidentially endorsed invasion of the Capitol.

[Lord Duckhunter]

A load of red neck halfwits trying to get into the capitol building is not an “attempted coup”, however “violent” they were. At no stage was there any danger of power being seized from the legitimate Government. 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

A load of red neck halfwits trying to get into the capitol building is not an “attempted coup”, however “violent” they were. At no stage was there any danger of power being seized from the legitimate Government. 

Hence the word, "attempted." If I try and shoot the Pope when he’s behind three inches of bulletproof glass, it’s never going to work; still attempted murder though.

[Jimmy_D]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_Capitol_shooting

If you compare what happened back in this incident, it could easily have been that shots started getting fired when they'd broken through the outer cordons and were approaching the outside of the Capitol building.

Anyone that was any part of this at all was taking their life into their own hands.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Jimmy_D said:

 

Anyone that was any part of this at all was taking their life into their own hands.

Isn't that the same as anyone commiting a crime in the US, given that all cops (and a large proportion of the general population) are armed?

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Yes they do, but what you have to accept is when you are attempting to compare apples with pears. What happened in Washington was not equal to the anti-Brexit protests; nobody on either side was killed, nobody tried to directly and violently interfere with legitimate Government processes, the anti-Brexit protest wasn't fomented by the Leader of the country.

A more direct comparison with the BLM marches in the USA is relevant. But specifically in Washington DC, compare the images of the Policing of the BLM event to the lack of security at the Presidentially endorsed invasion of the Capitol.

But it isn't apples and pears. Neither side accepted the result of a democratic vote. Both sides responded with aggressive behaviour, granted one was more severe than the other, but both sets of behaviours by both groups were caused by the same event. Failure to accept a democratic vote. 

 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Isn't that the same as anyone commiting a crime in the US, given that all cops (and a large proportion of the general population) are armed?

Proportionate force. Anyone taking part in an armed bank robbery with hostages is taking their life into their own hands, someone jaywalking; probably not.

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

But it isn't apples and pears. Neither side accepted the result of a democratic vote. Both sides responded with aggressive behaviour, granted one was more severe than the other, but both sets of behaviours by both groups were caused by the same event. Failure to accept a democratic vote. 

 

But only one was fomented by a sitting President attempting to overturn and subvert his legitimate electoral defeat. Now, if David Cameron had encouraged a protest after the Brexit referendum then that might be comparable.

[Weston Super Saint]

5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Proportionate force. Anyone taking part in an armed bank robbery with hostages is taking their life into their own hands, someone jaywalking; probably not.

Proportionate force goes out of the window when combined with adrenaline and fear as evidenced by the number of people who have been killed when they shouldn't have been.

I guess that's what happens when everyone has the right to bear arms.  Compare that to Japan with the polar opposite views on guns.

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But only one was fomented by a sitting President attempting to overturn and subvert his legitimate electoral defeat. Now, if David Cameron had encouraged a protest after the Brexit referendum then that might be comparable.

Whereas in the UK it was the opposition trying to do it. 

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Proportionate force goes out of the window when combined with adrenaline and fear as evidenced by the number of people who have been killed when they shouldn't have been.

I guess that's what happens when everyone has the right to bear arms.  Compare that to Japan with the polar opposite views on guns.

I’d agree that the right to bear arms in the US is mental and that fear and adrenaline will massively exacerbate most situations. That’s why I have difficulty seeing some of these so called hate crimes as being race based as opposed to simply paranoia and overreaction.

 

However, your post stated ‘any crime’ and it’s quite clear that 99% of crimes don’t warrant an armed response. Unfortunately for these protestors, violently forcing your way into the Capitol building is in the 1%.

[Weston Super Saint]

5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I’d agree that the right to bear arms in the US is mental and that fear and adrenaline will massively exacerbate most situations. That’s why I have difficulty seeing some of these so called hate crimes as being race based as opposed to simply paranoia and overreaction.

 

However, your post stated ‘any crime’ and it’s quite clear that 99% of crimes don’t warrant an armed response. Unfortunately for these protestors, violently forcing your way into the Capitol building is in the 1%.

I'm sure the families of the 999 people who were shot in 2020 would argue the contrary - and that's just those shot by the police and doesn't include those shot by people 'defending' themselves / their property.

[buctootim]

56 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Whereas in the UK it was the opposition trying to do it. 

There is a huge difference between using the levers of democracy to reverse a decision and overthrowing that democracy in order to get yourself installed as President  You either don't know the difference, which is a tragedy for your parents, or are pretending to not know the difference, which is a tragedy for you. 

[buctootim]

53 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I'm sure the families of the 999 people who were shot in 2020 would argue the contrary - and that's just those shot by the police and doesn't include those shot by people 'defending' themselves / their property.

I just checked that figure because it seemed high - but its accurate. Weirdly consistent year to year as well 996; 1,004 and 999 in the past three years.  

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Whereas in the UK it was the opposition trying to do it. 

You have your view, I have mine. They are not quite diametrically opposed, but I don't think we will ever agree.

Sometimes you appear to truly believe what you post, sometimes you give the impression that you are cheekily acting as a provocateur, just for the poops and giggles. Trousers does this in a less subtle, and slightly more humourous, way.

[badgerx16]

Watching the video that Donnie released yesterday, in which he said he would not look for a second term in 2024, I wondered who's words they were and whether for a second he meant what he was saying, based on the following;

"

Republican Sen. Ben Sasse of Nebraska, citing conversations with senior White House officials, said on Hugh Hewitt's radio show that President Trump "wanted chaos on television" on Wednesday and was "confused about why other people on his team weren’t as excited as he was as you had rioters pushing against Capitol Police trying to get into the building."

In an interview Friday morning with Hugh Hewitt, Sasse also said Trump was talking about "a path by which he was going to stay in office after January 20."

On impeachment, Sasse signaled he was seriously considering whether he would vote to remove the President from office, but that "there are a lot of questions that we need to get to the bottom of," specifically citing delays with deploying the National Guard. 

"But I think that the question of was the President derelict in his duty, that’s not an open question. He was," Sasse added."

 

In other news, Nancy Pelosi has spoken to the Joint Chiefs about control of the Nuclear Codes.

[Turkish]

26 minutes ago, buctootim said:

There is a huge difference between using the levers of democracy to reverse a decision and overthrowing that democracy in order to get yourself installed as President  You either don't know the difference, which is a tragedy for your parents, or are pretending to not know the difference, which is a tragedy for you. 

Or is it 3, simply pointing out the fact that behaviour of people refusing to accept a democratic vote aren’t fundamentally that different despite being on different “wings”. To accept that fact would be a tragedy for you. 

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[whelk]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Or is it 3, simply pointing out the fact that behaviour of people refusing to accept a democratic vote aren’t fundamentally that different despite being on different “wings”. To accept that fact would be a tragedy for you. 

Surely you had mates in both camps who gave you the true low down?

[whelk]

A really close friend of mine lives in Dakota. He flew in for the march and told me he saw loads of pipe bombs and overheard they were going to hang Nancy Pelosi when they captured her.

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[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Surely you had mates in both camps who gave you the true low down?

I don’t socialise with people who hold extreme political views pal.

[mickn]

9 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

The Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick died of a stroke, from what I heard. I would condemn those involved in the protest who caused the death of anyone. The armed standoff took place at the House front door at about 3 p.m. ET, and police officers had their guns drawn at anyone who was trying to breach it. As a result of the episode, US Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund is resigning. Good to see the person deemed responsible for the policing debacle and subsequent deaths has resigned. 

Don't let facts get in the way of your preconceptions, though. The question you've got to ask yourself, with the cameras and CCTV  rolling, is why hasn't anyone been arrested in the death of the police officer? 

Who, Trump?

[badgerx16]

Is Trump not going to Biden's inauguration because he knows something naughty is likely to happen ?

[badgerx16]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/capitol-riots-people-fired-jobs-trnd/index.html

 

As images and social media posts of Wednesday's insurrection at the US Capitol circulate online, some of those who were present are being identified, and some have lost or left their jobs because of it.

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[badgerx16]

More from CNN;

Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.

Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.

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The man photographed sitting at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s desk has been arrested and charged with three federal counts including theft of public property, federal officials said Friday.

Federal officials said Richard Barnett of Arkansas was taken into custody Friday morning in Little Rock.

Barnett was charged with knowingly entering and remaining in restricted building ground without authority, violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds and the theft of public property, officials said. 

A resident of Alabama was also charged in connection with the pipe bomb found on the south side of the Capitol building, 11 Molotov cocktails and military-style weapon found in his pickup truck. 

[buctootim]

54 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Or is it 3, simply pointing out the fact that behaviour of people refusing to accept a democratic vote aren’t fundamentally that different despite being on different “wings”. To accept that fact would be a tragedy for you. 

Ah okay. According to that logic someone who divorces their wife and someone who murders her arent fundamentally different. Give my condolences to Mum and Dad. 

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Ah okay. According to that logic someone who divorces their wife and someone who murders her arent fundamentally different. Give my condolences to Mum and Dad. 

What a strange thing to think. I guess that sums you up. 

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Or is it 3, simply pointing out the fact that behaviour of people refusing to accept a democratic vote aren’t fundamentally that different despite being on different “wings”. To accept that fact would be a tragedy for you. 

Using a democratic process to change a decision is nothing like making up false accusations of fraud to undermine a vote. I’m not surprised a simpleton like you can’t see the difference though.

If Cameron has claimed the vote was fraudulent and just ignored the result it would have been similar.

[Turkish]

19 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Using a democratic process to change a decision is nothing like making up false accusations of fraud to undermine a vote. I’m not surprised a simpleton like you can’t see the difference though.

If Cameron has claimed the vote was fraudulent and just ignored the result it would have been similar.

Did someone order a dwarf because Dopeys just turned up 

read the thread chump 

[badgerx16]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Did someone order a dwarf because Dopeys just turned up 

read the thread chump 

Punctuation, chump.

1 apostrophe, 2 full stops, and 1 capital letter missing.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Punctuation, chump.

1 apostrophe, 2 full stops, and 1 capital letter missing.

Ah correcting punctuation. One of the final haymakers of posters beaten into a corner with no where else to go. I knew this was coming after the last post about how I must be a WUM, all so predictable 😁

Edited 8 January, 2021 by Turkish

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Ah correcting punctuation. One of the final haymakers of posters beaten into a corner with no where else to go. I knew this was coming after the last post about how I must be a WUM, all so predictable 😁

Or merely a claim to intellectual superiority. 😁

It's a line that I cannot use with certain other posters as it would be too easy.

Edited 8 January, 2021 by badgerx16

[benjii]

The slightly unnerving thing about this whole Trump episode is the reminder that a nasty, divisive, corrupt, criminal, megalomaniac, psychopath can get elected to President of a powerful country if they play the right tune.

Luckily, this time the guy who did it was an absolute fuckwit mess of an individual; a witless, charmless, desperate, incoherent, fool. But cannier nutjobs will have taken note.

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Or merely a claim to intellectual superiority. 😁

It's a line that I cannot use with certain other posters as it would be too easy.

Intelligence is subjective pal. Some people miss out the odd coma here and there, others fail to grasp relatively simple concepts that two groups behaving in similar fashion, caused by a similar stimulus might be comparable. Don’t fret though pal, at least you know where the comas go when trying to disprove it. 

[badgerx16]

21 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Intelligence is subjective pal. Some people miss out the odd coma here and there, others fail to grasp relatively simple concepts that two groups behaving in similar fashion, caused by a similar stimulus might be comparable. Don’t fret though pal, at least you know where the comas go when trying to disprove it. 

I won't bite regarding your spelling.

However, following in similar vein to your previous post; use of the word 'pal' to signify a passive-aggressive posture towards another person. Classic debating technique by somebody losing the argument.

 

Love and kisses.

Edited 8 January, 2021 by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Use of the word 'pal' to signify a passive-aggressive posture towards another person. Classic debating technique by somebody losing the argument.

Basically every post of Shurlock's then?

[Lighthouse]

3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I'm sure the families of the 999 people who were shot in 2020 would argue the contrary - and that's just those shot by the police and doesn't include those shot by people 'defending' themselves / their property.

In a country of 370 million, or whatever it is now, that’s not an incredibly big number. Probably well less than 1% of the total crimes committed across the country.

[Turkish]

31 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I won't bite regarding your spelling.

However, following in similar vein to your previous post; use of the word 'pal' to signify a passive-aggressive posture towards another person. Classic debating technique by somebody losing the argument.

 

Love and kisses.

So you did bite then. Opps

[badgerx16]

37 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Basically every post of Shurlock's then?

Yes.

[badgerx16]

25 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So you did bite then. Opps

Enjoy the rest of your evening and make the most of having a weekend off from watching Saints.

[Weston Super Saint]

28 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

In a country of 370 million, or whatever it is now, that’s not an incredibly big number. Probably well less than 1% of the total crimes committed across the country.

In a country of around 70 million, the UK police managed to kill a measly five people in the same time frame.

Still, I guess it's all relative...

[Lighthouse]

8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

In a country of around 70 million, the UK police managed to kill a measly five people in the same time frame.

Still, I guess it's all relative...

The original point was that anyone storming the Capitol was taking their life into their own hands. You suggested this was the same as anyone else committing crimes in the US. It’s not and the overwhelming majority of crimes and call outs are dealt with using non-violent means.