Bailey Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11269 Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 why am I still awake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11269 Thoughts? Same old, same old then. Although I am not confident that he can turn it around, I do wish him luck and will support him and his players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 January, 2009 One thing I am annoyed about is that there is no information regarding Wotte and his contract. Has he signed a new deal? Or is he on the same contract as before with just a change in job title? Also, who is taking control of the reserves now? I would have thought this article would have been a good chance to clarify Hockaday's position at the club and to let us know more about Svensson's role as a coach too. Having said that, maybe they will tell us more after the press conference later on today so we'll have to wait and see on that one. Still no news on Kim van der Waal either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runaway Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Sounds like he's a reluctant manager who doesn't even really want the responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Speculation on TalkShiete this morning was that the kettering boss was 'in the frame' for teh 'vacant' role... so feck knows whats going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Wigley didn't want the role first time around, but a few months later he was "shoe horned" into the position of Head Coach. Now Wotte didn't want the role 7 months or so ago and now he's been "shoe horned" into it. The thought that we now have a reluctant manager who didn't really want the job is scary (I think we've been there before with Redknapp). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 One thing I am annoyed about is that there is no information regarding Wotte and his contract. Has he signed a new deal? Or is he on the same contract as before with just a change in job title? Also, who is taking control of the reserves now? I would have thought this article would have been a good chance to clarify Hockaday's position at the club and to let us know more about Svensson's role as a coach too. Having said that, maybe they will tell us more after the press conference later on today so we'll have to wait and see on that one. Still no news on Kim van der Waal either! Svensson has been put in place to act as a human shield,and try and diffuse the anger at the management team. KVDW ?The mystery continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 He says he can buy a player...kind of dumps on the mongs on here who want us to go into administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 His CV is better than Jan's so he deserves nothing less than support for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 So hes basically saying we need experience and have to many youngsters. No **** sherlock we have been saying that for months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 His CV is better than Jan's so he deserves nothing less than support for now. That easy to say.... I would love to be able to have any confidence in this - really I would, if only to justify the faith/belief/hope I had at the start of the season - and yes in an ideal and fair world we would all give him the chance, but this is not appointment number 1 of 'the untried at this level' type, but number 4 and with 3 failures behind us there is simply no confidence left to draw on... The problem is obvious. I have NO problem in the concept of employing a young inexperienced coach who has passion and enthusiasm and a love for the club - but for this to succeed you need time - several seasons/years to really develop. Quite simply,the pressures and complexities of the modern game at the top levels dont allow the luxury of time no matter how much the intentions are good or the logic in the 'slow build' approach -there is is simply too much resting on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 he wont be here that long ,and he will fail imo,but by the time the club realises that we will be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 His CV is better than Jan's so he deserves nothing less than support for now. Agree,give the guy a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 What is his grasp of the English language like? Is it better or worse than Jan? I always found Jan's post match interviews to be very confusing and couldn't help but think that perhaps his team talks were probably the same. Also, why was Wotte not installed as manager in the first place.?He was the guy they were going to install before they chose Burley, how did Jan get into the equation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Does not sound like a permanent appointment or a welcome one from the receipient, Svensson joining is similar to Dodds appointment alongside Burley believing fans will be appeased, that said, hope it all works out and we get a run of results, just feel we need more than hope at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 His CV is better than Jan's so he deserves nothing less than support for now. So he should have been made head coach, not Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I like the 'banish negativity' story. However.... I dont think Wotte's the man to do it. Proven English battler needed. This story means that the whole youth Total Football Experiment is DEAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 One thing I am annoyed about is that there is no information regarding Wotte and his contract. Has he signed a new deal? Or is he on the same contract as before with just a change in job title? Also, who is taking control of the reserves now? I would have thought this article would have been a good chance to clarify Hockaday's position at the club and to let us know more about Svensson's role as a coach too. Having said that, maybe they will tell us more after the press conference later on today so we'll have to wait and see on that one. Still no news on Kim van der Waal either! Yeah, that is really annoying me too. Also, not a hint at what his favourite colour is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 "Change luck" ???????????? Luck has sod all to to with it......... its lack of every other facet of competent football that needs to change!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Sounds like he's a reluctant manager who doesn't even really want the responsibility. Or someone just being polite about a fellow Dutchmen who has just left the job. I think he would be castigated if he came out and send I wanted the job all along and knew I could do a better job than Jan. Some people read way too much into every snippet of info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Speculation on TalkShiete this morning was that the kettering boss was 'in the frame' for teh 'vacant' role... OMG (to coin a phrase) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 So hes basically saying we need experience and have to many youngsters. No **** sherlock we have been saying that for months. Wow ..... that goes against Lowe's policy of SELLING experience, and going exclussively with Youngsters and Total Football A true case of DOUBLE DUTCH There are only TWO things wrong with SFC 1) Rupert 2) Lowe He is fast becomming the Sam Ellis of the 21st Century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 The most interesting bit for me was that he said he'd got to know Jan well over recent months. The implication was that he didn't know him much before coming here. I always assumed they'd been brought over pretty much as a pair. We know that Wotte has been a long-term target of Lowe, but at what point did Lowe become interested in JP, and on whose recommendation? Can any ITKers clarify this please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I like the 'banish negativity' story. However.... I dont think Wotte's the man to do it. Proven English battler needed. This story means that the whole youth Total Football Experiment is DEAD. Who , or should I say what managers would you put under that catergory ? Totally agree that total football must be tottaly phucked off... or nothing will change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Wigley didn't want the role first time around, but a few months later he was "shoe horned" into the position of Head Coach. Now Wotte didn't want the role 7 months or so ago and now he's been "shoe horned" into it. The thought that we now have a reluctant manager who didn't really want the job is scary (I think we've been there before with Redknapp). So if he came out saying he has always wanted this job you would have slated him for conspirering in the back ground to make sure JP failed so he can get the job!!! His words are more of a diplomatic way of saying he is not at fault for JP leaving. 7 months ago the club could have approached him and said they want JP at the top but want Wotte for another job. He said yes so was never competing for the top job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 There are only TWO things wrong with SFC 1) We have no money 2) We have a poor team playing a system which does not appear to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 When I saw the thread title 'Wotte outlines Thoughts'.. I thought we were going to get... 'Heineken, Schmoke and a Pancake, and a portion of chips please' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 There are only TWO things wrong with SFC 1) We have no money 2) We have a poor team playing a system which does not appear to work It really isnt worth arguing with him mate. Its got to the point where I dont even read his posts anymore because they just say the same things. Except when things are looking better and he hardly posts then. Its like he is waiting for something to go wrong so he can bang the "i hate Lowe drum" again and again. If its true that Lowe is on holiday at the moment then JP stepping down and Wotte taking over is a decission taken by the board and at best a phone call would have been made to get Lowe's vote. Yet its obviously Lowes fault that this dicission has been made. I will be amazed if I ever see a post of support from SaintRichmond :cool: or one with any idea of another direction we can take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 (edited) It really isnt worth arguing with him mate. Its got to the point where I dont even read his posts anymore because they just say the same things. Except when things are looking better and he hardly posts then. Its like he is waiting for something to go wrong so he can bang the "i hate Lowe drum" again and again. If its true that Lowe is on holiday at the moment then JP stepping down and Wotte taking over is a decission taken by the board and at best a phone call would have been made to get Lowe's vote. Yet its obviously Lowes fault that this dicission has been made. I will be amazed if I ever see a post of support from SaintRichmond :cool: or one with any idea of another direction we can take. I am sorry that you do not agree with me but we have no money and therefore have a poor team. If we had a substantial amount of money I would fully agree that a better approach could have been taken I thought Lowe was at St Mary's on Friday before he went off on holiday. I still do not know 100% if JP was sacked or resigned Edited 26 January, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I like the 'banish negativity' story. However.... I dont think Wotte's the man to do it. Proven English battler needed. This story means that the whole youth Total Football Experiment is DEAD.[/quote Because of course being English as a coach is the ultimate guarantee of footballing success. Did wonders for Branfoot, Wigley, Redknapp, Gray etc while we did well to avoid foreigners such as WGS, Morinho, Fergusson, Wenger...... As in any other walk of life there are good and bad performers of most nationality. But let's not let that get in the way of a spot of bigotry, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I am sorry that you do not agree with me but we have no money and therefore have a poor team. If we had a substantial amount of money I would fully agree with what you are saying but we dont I thought Lowe was at St Mary's on Friday before he went off on holiday. I still do not know 100% if JP was sacked or resigned I think the quote thingy got messed up bud. I was agreeing with you. Im not 100% sure on what Lowe was doing and when but I am also not 100% sure how much all things wrong at SFC are down to him. Quite happy to have a go at him for his failings but saintrichmond :cool: will have a go at him if McGoldrick misses a penalty with no keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 "Change luck" ???????????? Luck has sod all to to with it......... its lack of every other facet of competent football that needs to change!! Yeah that was the bit that confused me. He "vows" to change our luck. That is like promising your 6 year old daughter that they can go flying on a magic pony. And as you said, the fact that we don't create many chances is what he needs to be focusing on, instead of humming and throwing mandala's into rivers for good karma like our Asian friends the Buddhists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 One thing I am annoyed about is that there is no information regarding Wotte and his contract. Has he signed a new deal? Or is he on the same contract as before with just a change in job title? Also, who is taking control of the reserves now? I would have thought this article would have been a good chance to clarify Hockaday's position at the club and to let us know more about Svensson's role as a coach too. Having said that, maybe they will tell us more after the press conference later on today so we'll have to wait and see on that one. Still no news on Kim van der Waal either! Don't worry,Bailey, don't worry, you can't please everyone. IMHO...I think it'll be like this. MW already's employed as a coach so he's just moving up to fill the vacancy. (same as if JP was still here but ...had the 'flu and was off work) If he wins two games on the trot, he'll get the job permanently -- until the end of the season. Then ...there's another "re-think," depending on who the new owners are. If we continue on this downward spiral - he'll be out in a month and we start all over again, but most likely in administration. Anything else I can suggest to put your mind at rest ? what else can one say? COYR !!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Nice to see everyone is giving him a chance to prove himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Nice to see everyone is giving him a chance to prove himself. He's been involved with this 'excrement' - sorry 'experiment' since DAY 1. Give the guy a chance if he comes up with a different plan. Has it worked so far? Look at the table and then come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I found it a little odd on the other OS thread (banishing negativity) that he had spoken with the senior players (Perry, Wotten, Davis, Svensson, Euell and Thomas) but not Saga and Rudi. I would have thought they were senior players as well. Even Size probably fits the bill in terms of age at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11269 Thoughts? Sounds like Mark Wotte was first choice before Burley, and second choice after JP arrived. I think everyone deserves a chance. 5 games enough ? No one is born into the job of football manager (listen to me Nigel, I'm talking to you now)..but Wotte's job as manager of the Dutch U21's with an impressive list of current Prem.players does have some degree of credibility. SO ! .....everyone down to the Potters Heron, a special press conference and our new signing is .............. ? (who knows - if MW is still here in a season or two he might convince one or two of those old dead beats; van persie or Kuyt to come to SMS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I found it a little odd on the other OS thread (banishing negativity) that he had spoken with the senior players (Perry, Wotten, Davis, Svensson, Euell and Thomas) but not Saga and Rudi. I would have thought they were senior players as well. Even Size probably fits the bill in terms of age at least. I don't know if they qualify......I think Saga and Rudi are still UNDER 30, and almost everyone on the list must have passed the magic age....or at least have been around long enough to understand English....sorry Dutch ...well what I really mean is ....if they're still interested to stay with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Will Woote be on the touchlines enthusiastically shouting orders to the team? or will he be sat in the stand looking like he wants the ground to swallow him up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willo Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Or someone just being polite about a fellow Dutchmen who has just left the job. I think he would be castigated if he came out and send I wanted the job all along and knew I could do a better job than Jan. Some people read way too much into every snippet of info. agreed. I think he was trying to be honourable to Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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qwertySFC Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 So , he intends to look at the formation . Seems odd as I thought this system was supposed to be running through the club , ie Wotte training the reserves to play this system , so why has he not said that the system is ****e?? I think we are going down , the only reason Killer is on board( Nice bloke but don't even have a coaching badge FFS) is to try and deflect the march on SMS , who is going to have a go at a club cult hero ?? If Wotte was any good he would have been employed else where as a Manager , he was helping Jan make decisions on the touch line so his influence has already been felt and where are we .... Oh yes in the bottom 3. I still predict that we are going down , the Dutch Elm Disease has already caused its full effect and Division 3 here we come.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 What is his grasp of the English language like? Is it better or worse than Jan? I always found Jan's post match interviews to be very confusing and couldn't help but think that perhaps his team talks were probably the same. Also, why was Wotte not installed as manager in the first place.?He was the guy they were going to install before they chose Burley, how did Jan get into the equation? Indeed JP's grasp of the English language was unusually poor and I believe led to some of the discontent through poor communication. The cynic in me says that Wotte was always waiting in the wings and it was only going to be a matter of time before he got his opportunity. I'll be interested to see if we have a change of formation and personnel for Tuesday..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 His CV is better than Jan's so he deserves nothing less than support for now. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Wotte was part of this failed system and was advising (Managing) poor old JP He was then reporting to Rupert and The Beast.. The whole system/strategy was formulated by Wotte and NOW appears to be trying to distance himself from this Dutch Masterclass.. The whole Dutch group should be moved on including.....Rupert Van Der Lowey and fellow cretins. The Dutch disaster continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Speculation on TalkShiete this morning was that the kettering boss was 'in the frame' for teh 'vacant' role... so feck knows whats going on you have got to be joking.. :smt104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Wotte was part of this failed system and was advising (Managing) poor old JP He was then reporting to Rupert and The Beast.. The whole system/strategy was formulated by Wotte and NOW appears to be trying to distance himself from this Dutch Masterclass.. The whole Dutch group should be moved on including.....Rupert Van Der Lowey and fellow cretins. The Dutch disaster continues. Well said , Lowe and Wilde not even at Press Confrence to endorse the appointment .. how crap is that ...they both bottled it and will pull the plug on Votter when he also fails to deliver... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Well said , Lowe and Wilde not even at Press Confrence to endorse the appointment .. how crap is that ...they both bottled it and will pull the plug on Votter when he also fails to deliver... Who was there with Wotte then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 So , he intends to look at the formation . Seems odd as I thought this system was supposed to be running through the club , ie Wotte training the reserves to play this system , so why has he not said that the system is ****e?? Absolutely, and there was me thinking we had this fluid 4-3-3 Total Football style running throughout the Club.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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