Russell Martin

[Sarnia Cherie]

It's a mystery to me why any club wants RM. Don't they look at his previous attempts at management? The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and hoping for a different result. 

[Saint_clark]

13 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

It's a mystery to me why any club wants RM. Don't they look at his previous attempts at management? The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and hoping for a different result. 

You're forgetting how good he is at PowerPoint presentations. Wasn't even in the running at Rangers until he put on a little show for them.

[coalman]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

You're forgetting how good he is at PowerPoint presentations. Wasn't even in the running at Rangers until he put on a little show for them.

Don't forget the low lighting kitchen interview with Leicester's favourite son, Gary Lineker. After which, Lineker proclaimed him a future England manager and he promptly chose Rangers over Leicester.

[CB Fry]

21 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

It's a mystery to me why any club wants RM. Don't they look at his previous attempts at management? The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and hoping for a different result. 

I could be wrong but I think he got a team promoted from the Championship to the Premier League. So they could be looking at that.

[Gloucester Saint]

10 hours ago, CB Fry said:

If I was him and the choice was there, I'd have gone for the Watford job. Still in the Championship, you're guaranteed a nice little pay off within six months when they inevitably sack you and it's a basket case club, so he'd get another job after it anyway.

Leicester might work but a lot of pressure and a lot of scar tissue.

He won't get away with an equivalent result to the 0-5 kicking we got at Sunderland - Leicester fans won't be standing for that.

Great post but just had to do an MLG I’m afraid on the scoreline….

[Gloucester Saint]

9 hours ago, austsaint said:

Remember too, Baz was not only the best keeper in the championship, according to RM, but he was never happier than when Will Smallbone was on the pitch.

Will is probably a free agent this summer so could see a reunion. Too lightweight to play in a central two in the Champ but in L1 I could see a return of 15 goals from midfield. Be a hero with their fans - win, win. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Will is probably a free agent this summer so could see a reunion. Too lightweight to play in a central two in the Champ but in L1 I could see a return of 15 goals from midfield. Be a hero with their fans - win, win. 

Will did really well under Russ in our promotion season. It would be an obvious one for them to continue that. 

[beatlesaint]

2 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Will did really well under Russ in our promotion season. It would be an obvious one for them to continue that. 

Smallbone is too good for League 1, they’ll do well if they get him but I suspect Championship clubs will be looking at him as well.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

Smallbone is too good for League 1, they’ll do well if they get him but I suspect Championship clubs will be looking at him as well.

I broadly agree, Will is an established Championship midfielder if used at the head of a central three. However, playing for a favourite manager, favourite position, probably still on Champ wages for their first season back in L1, could be a ‘wouldn’t normally play at that level but club/manager’ like it was Harding and Fonte.

[Zorba]

21 hours ago, sockeye said:

Foxestalk making for good reading....  

LOL.. With their poll on if they'd take Tonda or not.. Which is a resounding NO!? Good luck with RM lads. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Why is this forum still obsessed with Martin? It's approaching 400 pages now. I don't get it. He's about as relevant to me as George Burley, Rubes Selles and Nathan Jones. 

[Midfield_General]

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/139479-martin-out/

[Holmes_and_Watson]

28 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Why is this forum still obsessed with Martin? It's approaching 400 pages now. I don't get it. He's about as relevant to me as George Burley, Rubes Selles and Nathan Jones. 

You leave my Burley, Selles and Nate Obsession threads alone! 🙂

As for Martin: He sets his philosophy stall out with his PowerPoint presentation.

I just like to see how it works, in practice, in the different clubs he finds himself at.

For example, Leicester had 10 players at the end of contracts and loans. So, he's lost Daku and Ayew. While their fans may have been happy to see the back of them, Martin's lost a couple of his likely attacking options. 

I'd genuinely like to see him work with Baz and Will. Two players who made that system click.

I'd like to see it with the likes of Mavadidi and Fatawu, to see how Martin could use them to unlock opponents quickly.

Things like that.

[James G]

Martin did ok with us because we had a superior team in the league. League 1 is full of teams who play low block, direct or counter attacking football. Even with a superior Leicester team, his team will give away silly goals and they'll probably make the playoffs at best like us. If they lose their good players then God help them 

Another problem is he blames players for his own faults, which is not good

[Lee On Solent Saint]

6 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

You leave my Burley, Selles and Nate Obsession threads alone! 🙂

As for Martin: He sets his philosophy stall out with his PowerPoint presentation.

I just like to see how it works, in practice, in the different clubs he finds himself at.

For example, Leicester had 10 players at the end of contracts and loans. So, he's lost Daku and Ayew. While their fans may have been happy to see the back of them, Martin's lost a couple of his likely attacking options. 

I'd genuinely like to see him work with Baz and Will. Two players who made that system click.

I'd like to see it with the likes of Mavadidi and Fatawu, to see how Martin could use them to unlock opponents quickly.

Things like that.

Fair enough. I mean, I can't stand the guy so don't really care too much what club he fucks over next, even if it is Leicester.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, James G said:

Martin did ok with us because we had a superior team in the league. League 1 is full of teams who play low block, direct or counter attacking football. Even with a superior Leicester team, his team will give away silly goals and they'll probably make the playoffs at best like us. If they lose their good players then God help them 

Another problem is he blames players for his own faults, which is not good

All very true. He didn't learn how to unlock any low block defences at Rangers, and has always been caught out defensively.

If he comes out at Leicester, not having thought about solutions, then Mary Shelley's Vestergaard iscin for a long season at the back.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

6 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Fair enough. I mean, I can't stand the guy so don't really care too much what club he fucks over next, even if it is Leicester.

This is an important point. It's an experiment I can watch from a safe distance. 🙂

[SaintsBarry74]

Not seen a single positive post about RM on their forums. They're absolutely fuming. 😄

[trousers]

29 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said:

Not seen a single positive post about RM on their forums. They're absolutely fuming. 😄

Not one? Every forum has a clutch of contrarians, surely...? 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

14 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

You're forgetting how good he is at PowerPoint presentations. Wasn't even in the running at Rangers until he put on a little show for them.

I had read that managers actually get third parties to put together the PowerPoint packs. Perhaps there's also third party data analysis to back up the manager's pitch.

I don't know if that applies to Martin, but I was very disappointed with the thought that it might not be all his own work. 🙂

[Whitey Grandad]

36 minutes ago, trousers said:

Not one? Every forum has a clutch of contrarians, surely...? 

If not I might have to join it 😊

[CB Fry]

8 hours ago, trousers said:

Not one? Every forum has a clutch of contrarians, surely...? 

Not really, no.

[Sarnia Cherie]

23 hours ago, coalman said:

Don't forget the low lighting kitchen interview with Leicester's favourite son, Gary Lineker. After which, Lineker proclaimed him a future England manager and he promptly chose Rangers over Leicester.

Lineker ought to be delighted that RM may be Leicester's next manager. 😀

[Patrick Bateman]

23 hours ago, coalman said:

Don't forget the low lighting kitchen interview with Leicester's favourite son, Gary Lineker. After which, Lineker proclaimed him a future England manager and he promptly chose Rangers over Leicester.

They are so bad, all of these low lighting set ups, bare low-power bulbs showing filaments, bit of brass or black metal work, some reclaimed wood stained dark ... come in for an interview, sorry it's so dark, don't walk into anything. 

[hypochondriac]

Martin will do well in league one with Leicester. They will dominate a lot of games which is when his football is more effective. He may even have a chance of performing will in the Championship if they get a bit of momentum. Longer term it ducks up the club though. The lies of THB and manning for us have taken ages to recover from what they were 'taught' under Martin. I'd never want to be go back to football like that again.

[Patrick Bateman]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Martin will do well in league one with Leicester. They will dominate a lot of games which is when his football is more effective. He may even have a chance of performing will in the Championship if they get a bit of momentum. Longer term it ducks up the club though. The lies of THB and manning for us have taken ages to recover from what they were 'taught' under Martin. I'd never want to be go back to football like that again.

Don't forget he did the same with MK Dons and they only finished 13th in League One. I guess it depends on how many 'weak' teams there are this time round in that league that his style can dominate? Plus, Leicester aren't exactly a fit bunch of players, I can see a lot of last 20 minute mistakes. Will be interesting to watch what happens anyway.