Russell Martin

[Sheaf Saint]

16 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I thinkwe paid him out for the length of contract left and so itwouldnt matter if he had gone elsewhere

Well none of us know the exact details because they will differ from contract to contract. But we won't have paid him a lump sum upon sacking him, and it's very likely that there was a clause that reduced the club's liability once he took alternative employment because that's pretty standard these days.

If SR gave him that contract extension in the summer of 2024 without including such a clause, then they are even bigger mugs than I had ever previously considered possible.

[Patches O Houlihan]

3 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

Which is fine but that is a very different brief to helping select the new manager. The point is that Alfie was saying that ‘the board’ don’t like Martin and wouldn’t  reappoint him, but if that’s not Dragan (who said he wanted to keep him), not Spors (who wasn’t there), not Parsons (who is focused on commercials) and not Rasmus (who is focused on Goztepe), then who is left that Alfie is suggesting would block an RM return? 

Is it the same mysterious board member hidden in the shadows that was pressuring Nathan Jones into not doing things his way in Feb 2023??

“I have compromised. I’ve compromised in terms of certain principles because of one, personnel, but two, the way that people want to play and so on. I’ve allowed certain things to happen and gone away from what’s made me successful in the past. … What I said was I have compromised things I do on a day-to-day basis, which are my decisions. I don’t get pressure from anyone. I listen to people, like I do at every other club. But I live and die by my decisions. That’s not shifting the blame.” 

[StrangelyBrown]

4 hours ago, saintant said:

Anyone know what time Russboy's presser for the QPR game is?

I can't wait for more tales of scar tissue, bravery, trusting the process and it all being everybody else's fault.

[notnowcato]

21 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

I can't wait for more tales of scar tissue, bravery, trusting the process and it all being everybody else's fault.

Winning games of football will do, he did alright last time in the Championship. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

Is it the same mysterious board member hidden in the shadows that was pressuring Nathan Jones into not doing things his way in Feb 2023??

“I have compromised. I’ve compromised in terms of certain principles because of one, personnel, but two, the way that people want to play and so on. I’ve allowed certain things to happen and gone away from what’s made me successful in the past. … What I said was I have compromised things I do on a day-to-day basis, which are my decisions. I don’t get pressure from anyone. I listen to people, like I do at every other club. But I live and die by my decisions. That’s not shifting the blame.” 

And Nathan, back into his comfort zone of not being intimidated by PL players, is once again able to build a team up.

When I say comfort zone, he is the least comfortable person in his comfort zone.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

6 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

Which is fine but that is a very different brief to helping select the new manager. The point is that Alfie was saying that ‘the board’ don’t like Martin and wouldn’t  reappoint him, but if that’s not Dragan (who said he wanted to keep him), not Spors (who wasn’t there), not Parsons (who is focused on commercials) and not Rasmus (who is focused on Goztepe), then who is left that Alfie is suggesting would block an RM return? 

It's a misspelling.

It's not the board that don't want him back. It's the bored. 🙂

[Holmes_and_Watson]

8 hours ago, jasonbenali said:

The cynic in me thinks you drop Martin's name into the frame through 'insiders', mention that Eckert also an option and then when you appoint someone that you've never heard of but you believe will be yet another coaching masterstroke the fans will go, well, at least it's not one of them...

(edit - couldn't remember how to spell Eckert as had never heard of him...)

Yup. Basic politics 101.

Set up a "Sure, we've a foetus who went through the Leipzig Coaching Farm. But it could have been Russ, so it's really okay." scenario.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

55 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Winning games of football will do, he did alright last time in the Championship. 

Record unbeaten run.

Got us promoted.

Despite the clear out, lots of his preferred players still here.

Players will already be used to his system.

Will surely get Smallbone back to play as much as possible.

With a weaker squad than last time, all the more chance for a better than the sum of it's parts system to pay off.

Controlled possession, risk based system.

No bedding in period for him or his team.

If Romeu is half as good as he was, that's a big plus.

Good communicator

Is presumably learning and adapting to his recent appointments.

[beatlesaint]

6 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

Will surely get Smallbone back to play as much as possible.

 

Think he’s out for about 4 months with a torn hamstring so that bit won’t be happening 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Think he’s out for about 4 months with a torn hamstring so that bit won’t be happening 

Awww. I'd not seen that. Last I heard was that he was doing well. Hope he gets back to full recovery and has a good end of his season.

[trousers]

1 hour ago, notnowcato said:

Winning games of football will do, he did alright last time in the Championship. 

Agreed. Get him back on a 6 month contract and then get a premier league level manager in for next season (preferably Koeman after he's won the world cup with the Netherlands)

Edited 15 minutes ago by trousers

[O_Lord_Marian]

5 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Record unbeaten run. 

Got us promoted. 

Despite the clear out, lots of his preferred players still here.

Players will already be used to his system.

Will surely get Smallbone back to play as much as possible.

With a weaker squad than last time, all the more chance for a better than the sum of it's parts system to pay off.

Controlled possession, risk based system.

No bedding in period for him or his team.

If Romeu is half as good as he was, that's a big plus.

Good communicator

Is presumably learning and adapting to his recent appointments.

First two points factual.

Next couple of points is why we are where we are. Soft players that need daddy.

Smallbone meh.

Next three points pretty much as per the second point addressed above.

Re Romeu, special player and would fit into most systems, no matter how shite they are.

Last two points, kin ell man, he is an arrogant prick and openly admitted in numerous interviews, that he will not adapt to his core principles. Which is kamikaze football at the back, passing backwards or sideways, with the odd shot on goal up front.

RM is not the one.