Why we failed so badly - listen to Benjii

[benjii]

We got promoted with reliance on a highly ingrained, intensively coached system based on the side of football where you have the ball.

Despite the success of getting promoted, we were crap off the ball and conceded an embarrassingly high number of goals.

If you want to succeed in PL and don't have the top players, you make your success largely by what you do when you DON'T have the ball. Poch showed us this. And Ralph, before it ground him down. Bournemouth did this season. And Forest. Forest play very basic football in possession.

[I don't mention Koeman, because we had Pelle, Mane and Tadic - three of the best players in Europe at the time.... those were the days.]

You organise and press aggressively, and fight for everything, giving the opponent no time. Or you sit off, pack the defence and focus on rapid counters.

We haven't had a coherent strategy out of possession since Ralph left. It's extremely important at top level, where the other side won't just surrender you the ball or mess up their attacking positions.

Edited 14 hours ago by benjii

[Sunglasses Ron]

I just think we’re fucking shit.

[Lighthouse]

We failed so badly because we got promoted to the Premier League and signed a bunch of mid-table Championship players, there really isn’t much more to it than that. There is no strategy on Earth that’s going to make these players competent at this level.

[Mboto Gorge]

2 minutes ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

I just think we’re fucking shit.

I’d agree we are fucking shit, but combine that with also no coherent plan or strategy to get results, and clueless management, this makes us REALLY fucking shit

[Sunglasses Ron]

1 minute ago, Mboto Gorge said:

I’d agree we are fucking shit, but combine that with also no coherent plan or strategy to get results, and clueless management, this makes us REALLY fucking shit

Oh yes, fucking shit, in every way imaginable.

[benjii]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We failed so badly because we got promoted to the Premier League and signed a bunch of mid-table Championship players, there really isn’t much more to it than that. There is no strategy on Earth that’s going to make these players competent at this level.

You think 11 points is the best we could have done?

You don't think we could have matched the mighty Luton with a less idiotic approach?

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, benjii said:

You think 11 points is the best we could have done?

You don't think we could have matched the mighty Luton with a less idiotic approach?

I really wouldn’t have expected much more, given that we’re up against clearly superior players in almost every single game. Even in the games where we’ve played relatively well, our attacking players wasted chances to win and our defensive players made costly errors which lead to us leaking goals. There’s no strategy that can compensate for that.

[benjii]

4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I really wouldn’t have expected much more, given that we’re up against clearly superior players in almost every single game. Even in the games where we’ve played relatively well, our attacking players wasted chances to win and our defensive players made costly errors which lead to us leaking goals. There’s no strategy that can compensate for that.

Same for every bottom half team ever.

Edited 14 hours ago by benjii

[Maggie May]

12 minutes ago, benjii said:

You think 11 points is the best we could have done?

You don't think we could have matched the mighty Luton with a less idiotic approach?

I think the gulf in the year Luton have been out of the Premier League has widened even further.  We didn’t stand a chance without significant investment.

[Lighthouse]

7 minutes ago, benjii said:

Same for every bottom half team ever.

No it isn’t.

‘Every bottom half team ever’ didn’t get promoted from fourth in the Championship, then sign Nathan Wood, Adam Lallana, BBD and Yuki Sugawara. People talk about us having three good players, in KWP, MF and AR. They aren’t three top class players, they’re three players who would get a game for Palace or Brentford.

When you include our subs, 80% of the team were able to field for each game is basically just fodder. You aren’t going to get away with that at this level.

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

Koeman called it years ago and walked.

[AlexLaw76]

If we are no better than Luton at best, staying up next season will be a triumph

anyone happy with that?

[AlexLaw76]

16 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

I think the gulf in the year Luton have been out of the Premier League has widened even further.  We didn’t stand a chance without significant investment.

In that case, who out of the promoted teams will battle it out for 11 points next season?

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

If we are no better than Luton at best, staying up next season will be a triumph

anyone happy with that?

Christ.

We're bad but NOT that bad.

And if we are that bad next season, Solak would probably lose appetite. (Assuming he hasn't already)

[beatlesaint]

49 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We failed so badly because we got promoted to the Premier League and signed a bunch of mid-table Championship players, there really isn’t much more to it than that. There is no strategy on Earth that’s going to make these players competent at this level.

You say that, and while I agree to a degree it doesn't stop a team fighting for every ball, running their arses off, throwing themselves in front of every shot. 

Probably not the greatest example given what happened to them yesterday but Luton were just as you described when they came up, they didnt finish bottom, they didnt finish on 11 points, they didnt go out there and just wander around. I can accept not being good enough, every season 3 teams aren't good enough, but I cant accept many of the performances by highly paid "footballers" 

Edited 13 hours ago by beatlesaint

[benjii]

27 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

No it isn’t.

‘Every bottom half team ever’ didn’t get promoted from fourth in the Championship, then sign Nathan Wood, Adam Lallana, BBD and Yuki Sugawara. People talk about us having three good players, in KWP, MF and AR. They aren’t three top class players, they’re three players who would get a game for Palace or Brentford.

When you include our subs, 80% of the team were able to field for each game is basically just fodder. You aren’t going to get away with that at this level.

My reply was in response to your comment that we had good games in which strikers missed chances and defenders made mistakes. That happens to everyone. Now you're banging on about Nathan Wood.

[SaintsLoyal]

Crikey it was a pot of shite from Hasenhuttl, no origanisation whatsoeever and a wing back approach that saw dozens conceded.

He faded badly not after the 'organizer' in Rohl left.

 

Yes we do lack quality plaeyrs but Hasenhuttle was a busted flush going around in circles.

 

 

 

[trousers]

I'm going to need to do a new print run of Lighthouse bingo cards at this rate...

"It's just the quality players, innit... Nothing else, just the quality...no other factors whatsoever, Guv"

(And if that doesn't get a bite, I don't know what will...)

Edited 13 hours ago by trousers

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

You think 11 points is the best we could have done?

You don't think we could have matched the mighty Luton with a less idiotic approach?

Exactly, poor recruitment got us relegated, but poor tactics, management & coaching have given us 11 points. We never gave ourselves any hope of staying up because the previous manager insisted we played suicidal football with players incapable of doing so. We’ve been in the top flight most of the 55 years I’ve supported the club, and have spent 11 of the past 12 years there. Yet people talk as if we’re Blackpool, Luton or Huddersfield who would be defying the odds by reaching 20 points, let alone taking the relegation fight into May. Fulham, Bournemouth, Brentford didn’t have this noddy attitude and didn’t play a ridiculous style of football. 
 

A team with Ramsdale, KWP, Bella-Kotchap, THB, Bednarek, Diblin, Downes, MF, is not the worst to ever play in the premier league, provided the coaching and management is right. It’s been wrong from day one and 80% of the management failings are down  to that Lego headed cock. He set the tone for the whole season, complete and utter vanity project that has fucked us….

[trousers]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

Exactly, poor recruitment got us relegated, but poor tactics, management & coaching have given us 11 points.

Indeed. It's really not very complicated, is it?

[Saint Fan CaM]

8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Exactly, poor recruitment got us relegated, but poor tactics, management & coaching have given us 11 points. We never gave ourselves any hope of staying up because the previous manager insisted we played suicidal football with players incapable of doing so.

Very well explained post, however it does slightly over-simplify the recruitment failure. That started a long time ago - you could possibly trace back to the post-Koeman days when squad quality started to be diluted with the lack of decent replacements for Pelle, Tadic and Mane. Then a lack of replacement for Ings, but we were already on the slippery slope downwards by then. And as the team performances suffered, so did the ability to attract better players - it goes hand in glove.

[sockeye]

To be honest, I think Russell Martin coaching has conditioned these players to be worse than they actually are. Like you said, off-the-ball is so important in the PL and so is athleticism. I’m not one to blame a single person for everything for years but you have to admit those elements were hardly important under him and players’ abilities in these areas had withered noticeably by the time Juric came in. If we spent last year playing a style centered around pressing I think we would have fared better this season with the exact same squad. Not too much better. But better.

[AlexLaw76]

Russell Martin is the primary factor in us being so shit this season 

It was so obvious last season that he would be a total disaster in the premier league

[Nordic Saint]

2 hours ago, benjii said:

You organise and press aggressively, and fight for everything, giving the opponent no time. Or you sit off, pack the defence and focus on rapid counters.

 

Teams like Forest recruit athletes who are capable of doing this; we don't. You only have to look at the likes of Will Smallbone and Ross Stewart on a football pitch for 5 minutes, to see that they just don't have the physical attributes to press aggressively, fight for everything, or take part in rapid counters. We are stuck with a bunch of misfits who lack the basic physical attributes of strength and speed. Most of them can't even jump. I remember when Bournemouth played at St Mary's, for example,  thinking how much more athletic their players looked than ours. They were clearly stronger and faster.

Edited 12 hours ago by Nordic Saint

[Lee On Solent Saint]

13 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

Teams like Forest recruit athletes who are capable of doing this; we don't. You only have to look at the likes of Will Smallbone and Ross Stewart on a football pitch for 5 minutes, to see that they just don't have the physical attributes to press aggressively, fight for everything, or take part in rapid counters. We are stuck with a bunch of misfits who lack the basic physical attributes of strength and speed. Most of them can't even jump. I remember when Bournemouth played at St Mary's, for example,  thinking how much more athletic their players looked than ours. They were clearly stronger and faster.

My biggest fear is that we won't be able to shift any of these players. The ones that end up leaving will be the ones we would prefer to stay. The thought of watching the likes of Smallbone, Stephens, Bazuna, Manning and Onachua fills me the despair.

[S-Clarke]

33 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Russell Martin is the primary factor in us being so shit this season 

It was so obvious last season that he would be a total disaster in the premier league

Absolutley, he screwed us over. It goes back to benji's point, he's spot on about how lesser teams compete at the top level - and trying to keep the ball is not how you compete when you have lesser players.

Most fans saw it last season, we certainly all saw it at the start of this season, but stubborn Martin continued to preside over the approach and hung these players out to dry really. None of them are good enough for sure, but then asking them to focus on keeping the ball on top of that is just setting up for humiliation.

Only a nut job owner gives him another job.

[Gloucester Saint]

12 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

My biggest fear is that we won't be able to shift any of these players. The ones that end up leaving will be the ones we would prefer to stay. The thought of watching the likes of Smallbone, Stephens, Bazuna, Manning and Onachua fills me the despair.

There’s going to need to be a fair degree of writing off from Martin and Rasmus’s mistakes. Bazanu will be a heavily subsidised loan to L1 next season or two, Smallbone cannot press at all so low fee/free so another club offers him a longer contract. Stephens probably back-up, Manning not the worst at Champ level and Onachu has interest from Turkey. Larios back to Spain with some of his contract remaining paid on the difference. Stewart they might as well keep for his final year as an impact player as no-one is taking a risk with his record. 

[Cabrone]

We have an incompetent board who just about got away with their managerial appointment last season but RM was an average champ manager and was never going to be good enough for the prem. To be fair he didn't hide it, he openly stated that he wasn't going to change his tactics even when the team were being spanked week in week out. A half decent manager would have had a bit of self reflection and tried a different way but not him.

The incompetent board then held on to him for half a season when he should have been shown the door after 6 games.

By that stage it was already too late. Juric was no better but our fate had already been sealed. I really don't have any feelings about him either way, he was doomed.

So we had an incompetent board and incompetent managers following an incompetent strategy hiring players to play a way that was doomed. Heads dropped, morale fell and a self fulfilling cycle was established.

We should have adopted the strategy of being a very hard to beat team from day 1, grinding out enough low scoring games to have at least made us competitive. That is what Brighton did, that is what Forest did and others. You cannot expect to come up and play pretty football straight off, you WILL get run over but no-one at the club seemed to realize this. Ramsdale and KWP apart we never had a defence that even came remotely close enough to what was needed.

No-one realistically thought we'd be anything other than a relegation candidate but I think most of us expected to at least be somewhere in the mix come this part of the season. To have effectively been down by Xmas was abject.

The club has to understand that you need to adapt to your environment, not just stay stuck in one mode of thinking. RM was held on to for far too long.

Off the pitch SFC needs to massively improve its scouting and data operations which over time will reap rewards in the academy and transfer market. We used to have them so what happened? Incompetent board strikes again?

Maybe a new recruitment team will make some differences but if the heads running the show stay the same we'll have the same problems going forward. I also think we are really going to suffer next year on the back of this. A season like this really takes its toll.

If the club gets it right I think it's going to take 2 years minimum to get back up. That's if the club gets it right......

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 minutes ago, Cabrone said:

Ramsdale and KWP apart we never had a defence that even came remotely close enough to what was needed.

 Bella-Kotchap is a 23 year old German international, THB played for England this season, I’ve seen worse centre halves than Bednerak play regularly in the premier league. A decent manager, with a proper tactical plan and coaching, could make an adequate defence out of that lot….

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 Bella-Kotchap is a 23 year old German international, THB played for England this season, I’ve seen worse centre halves than Bednerak play regularly in the premier league. A decent manager, with a proper tactical plan and coaching, could make an adequate defence out of that lot….

Yep

Ramsdale is premier league level and and England international 

THB played for England this season,

Walker Peters has played for England and will get a move to the premier league 

Bedarek is a polish international played nearly 200 times in the premier league 

ABK is a German international 

Left back Charlie Taylor can’t get a game for some reason despite playing over 150 times in the premier league 

Is it their coaching and tactics here or has every other coach, including international managers been wrong about them and they are all shit?

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Turkish

[AlexLaw76]

Imagine starting the season trying to play peak guardiola football Janny B and Alex McCarthy

Then to go into games with strikers hugging the touch line, or all of them on the bench.

amazing Martin lasted as long as he did. Fraud of a manager

Edited 10 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Cabrone]

19 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 Bella-Kotchap is a 23 year old German international, THB played for England this season, I’ve seen worse centre halves than Bednerak play regularly in the premier league. A decent manager, with a proper tactical plan and coaching, could make an adequate defence out of that lot….

Forgot about Bella Kotchap. What happened to him? Completely frozen out.

The mind boggles at how this club has been run.

[Doctoroncall]

15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Imagine starting the season trying to play peak guardiola football Janny B and Alex McCarthy

Then to go into games with strikers hugging the touch line, or all of them on the bench.

amazing Martin lasted as long as he did. Fraud of a manager

To many peters at this club for so long and it’s hard to break. Can Solak and Spors do it?

[S-Clarke]

19 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Imagine starting the season trying to play peak guardiola football Janny B and Alex McCarthy

And unsurprisingly that combo resulted in a calamitous avoidable error which resulted in us losing 1-0 on the day, yet still we cracked on.

[Doctoroncall]

11 minutes ago, Cabrone said:

Forgot about Bella Kotchap. What happened to him? Completely frozen out.

The mind boggles at how this club has been run.

Combination of many factors, probably thinks he’s better than the rest, seems not a team player, injury prone and got sent to the U21 so lack of match practice. 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Doctoroncall said:

Combination of many factors, probably thinks he’s better than the rest, seems not a team player, injury prone and got sent to the U21 so lack of match practice. 

From what I've gauged form Rusks teams, is that he's trying to minimise the involvement of players who won't be part of the club next season, likely already moves lined up (or loan expiring). We've had to pick Fernandes/Ramsdale and co because we need some quality, but you don't see the likes of ABK, Aribo, Gronebak, Suguwara, Taylor etc because they have no future here.

[The Kraken]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

From what I've gauged form Rusks teams, is that he's trying to minimise the involvement of players who won't be part of the club next season, likely already moves lined up (or loan expiring). We've had to pick Fernandes/Ramsdale and co because we need some quality, but you don't see the likes of ABK, Aribo, Gronebak, Suguwara, Taylor etc because they have no future here.

I don’t quite buy that. I don’t see KWP, THB, Bednarek or Lesley being here next season, and maybe add Flynn Downes to that list, but they’re all being picked by Rusk. I think he just has his idea of what his best side is and he’s largely sticking to it. I think Tall Paul would be leading the line constantly were it not for his injury.

I said it yesterday, the Gronbaek signing is a confusing one, just utterly pointless.

[Lord Duckhunter]

32 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yep

Ramsdale is premier league level and and England international 

THB played for England this season,

Walker Peters has played for England and will get a move to the premier league 

Bedarek is a polish international played nearly 200 times in the premier league 

ABK is a German international 

Left back Charlie Taylor can’t get a game for some reason despite playing over 150 times in the premier league 

Is it their coaching and tactics here or has every other coach, including international managers been wrong about them and they are all shit?

 

Bournemouth stayed up with Jack Stephens starting 13 premier league games, & Chris Mepham 24. 
 

Sheffield Utd finished in the top 10 with Oli McBurnie top scoring with 6 goals. 
 

Yet we had absolutely no chance of reaching 20 points with our recruitment???
 

Im calling pony, Lego head fucked us with his vanity project…

[Doctoroncall]

Gronbaek had been injured which kept him out for a while. Not sure why he’s been left out now. 

[HarvSFC]

The lack of forward thinking/any plan from the club was very clear when we started the season with Alex McCarthy. Not only did we hand him a new two year deal when we should have been saying our thank yous and goodbyes, we started the Premier League with him in goal. Goalkeeper should have been a priority, but we only went and panic signed Aaron Ramsdale when it became very clear that McCarthy wasn't up to it. Which every person in Southampton could have told you, apart from the people making the decisions. 

A lot has been said that we've never replaced Ings, Mane, Pelle, etc. But, last summer's recruitment team couldn't even replace Che Adams and Stuart Armstrong. Abysmal off the pitch and abysmal on the pitch. Everyone associated with this season deserves a lot of criticism. The players, the managers, the board members, the coaches, the scouts, the recruitment team, everyone. 

You just have to hope that Sports Republic have got something right for once with the new team they're setting up, otherwise we're in a lot of trouble.

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Ramsdale is premier league level and and England international 

THB played for England this season, albeit a bit part in a non-essential game.

Walker Peters has played for England and will get a move to the premier league, even though his stock is probably the lowest it could be.

Bedarek is a polish international played nearly 200 times in the premier league, overseeing two 9-0 defeats and a number of calamity level errors.

ABK is a German international, who sulks, refuses to play, thinks he’s way better than SFC and wants out at the earliest opportunity.

Left back Charlie Taylor can’t get a game for some reason despite playing over 150 times in the premier league

Fixed it for you. 😉

[Lord Duckhunter]

The people claiming it’s becoming nearly impossible for promoted teams to stay up, and cite the last 6 as proof, are missing 1 important point. The state of the clubs that came up. 
 

Luton, like Swindon 30 years ago, and countless others since, were always going to struggle. They’re basically punching above their weight to be in the top half of the championship. 

Sheffield Utd, had all sorts of issues off the pitch.

Ipswich were in league 1 two seasons ago, that jump is massive and unless you’ve got players of the standard we had, Lallana, lambert, MS, Jose Fonte, coming up with you, are always going to struggle. 
 

Burnley & Saints basically committed suicide with ridiculous tactics.

Which leaves us with Leicester as the only example of how impossible it is to stay up. Even then you can question whether sacking Steve Cooper contributed to the “impossibility” of the task. 
 

Add to the above, the fact that nobody already in the league self imploded like us and Leicester did 2 seasons ago, and you can see why all 6 went down.
 

I’m sure a side set up correctly, playing to their strengths and making every game a battle, can stay up, regardless of how average their side is. If the 3 that come up this year try and outplay the established sides, then they’ll all come back down again, and the hipsters will moan how hard it is to stay up and there’s nothing a manager can do about it……

 

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Doctoroncall said:

Gronbaek had been injured which kept him out for a while. Not sure why he’s been left out now. 

Still injured.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/25099821.southampton-injury-update-given-loanee-gronbaek/#:~:text=LOANEE Albert Gronbaek is back,training due to fitness concerns.

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Still injured.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/25099821.southampton-injury-update-given-loanee-gronbaek/#:~:text=LOANEE Albert Gronbaek is back,training due to fitness concerns.

I read a quote, I think attributed to Ivan Juric. Not sure how valid it is but it said:

Apr 03:

'He had a problem with the tendons. For the medical staff, it is not enough not to train, but he refers that he has a lot of pain and this is the situation.'

So, not great if true.

[vectraman]

7 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I really wouldn’t have expected much more, given that we’re up against clearly superior players in almost every single game. Even in the games where we’ve played relatively well, our attacking players wasted chances to win and our defensive players made costly errors which lead to us leaking goals. There’s no strategy that can compensate for that.

I understand what you are saying, we are a really poor team with substandard players, but Luton were no better. But the old saying if you haven’t got the quality you make up for it with effort was simply not there either. If it was simply quality only, we would never ever see a cup upset would we? But they happen because the lower league side run their arses off.

The whole side are clearly the least fit side in the division and that IS inexcusable. We should have been the fittest side out there to make up the lack of talent by being at least able to run for 90 mins. No chance. It stems from Russel Martin being too pally with the players, too soft, not working their arses off in training. No wonder the lazy shower of shit loved him.

Hopefully he gets himself another management job with some other mugs and takes his buddies with him. Best thing he could do for us. 
 

 

[Wiggles31]

9 hours ago, benjii said:

We got promoted with reliance on a highly ingrained, intensively coached system based on the side of football where you have the ball.

Despite the success of getting promoted, we were crap off the ball and conceded an embarrassingly high number of goals.

If you want to succeed in PL and don't have the top players, you make your success largely by what you do when you DON'T have the ball. Poch showed us this. And Ralph, before it ground him down. Bournemouth did this season. And Forest. Forest play very basic football in possession.

[I don't mention Koeman, because we had Pelle, Mane and Tadic - three of the best players in Europe at the time.... those were the days.]

You organise and press aggressively, and fight for everything, giving the opponent no time. Or you sit off, pack the defence and focus on rapid counters.

We haven't had a coherent strategy out of possession since Ralph left. It's extremely important at top level, where the other side won't just surrender you the ball or mess up their attacking positions.

Agreed with this. Well coached teams do this in an organised and disciplined manner. They also have more aggressive and athletic players. Systems well drilled like this can make otherwise ordinary players improve tenfold. Chris Wood and Ryan Christie are good examples of this. Put them in our team and they’d be crap. 

[Lighthouse]

6 hours ago, Turkish said:

Yep

Ramsdale is premier league level and and England international 

THB played for England this season,

Walker Peters has played for England and will get a move to the premier league 

Bedarek is a polish international played nearly 200 times in the premier league 

ABK is a German international 

Left back Charlie Taylor can’t get a game for some reason despite playing over 150 times in the premier league 

Is it their coaching and tactics here or has every other coach, including international managers been wrong about them and they are all shit?

 

Ramsdale - Nothing to see here, we’re all agreed he’s PL quality.

KWP - As above

THB - Yes he has played for England but can you honestly say he’s actually looked good?

Bednarek - The self-fulfilling prophecy. Plays for us year after year because our recruitment is abysmal, accrues 200 PL apps, people say he must be okay because he’s played 200 PL games. The reality is that he was always a weak link, even in a bottom half team. Now the rest of the team are as bad as he is.

ABK - Not getting a game for any of our managers this season. Whatever his problem is, it’s clear that he is the problem.

Taylor - Clearly hasn’t settled here for whatever reason. Not even in the squad these days, so clearly has a problem.

I will be astonished if by more than four of our players end up at PL clubs next season, so we’ll see what, "every other coach," really thinks about them.

[sockeye]

Smallbone, Stephens, McCarthy and Fraser are all entering their final years soon. If any of them receive extensions Spors can be immediately written off as a fraud

[The Kraken]

34 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I will be astonished if by more than four of our players end up at PL clubs next season, so we’ll see what, "every other coach," really thinks about them.

You will be astonished if Ramsdale, KWP, THB, Dibling and Fernandes get signed by PL clubs?

Ok.

I, on the contrary, will not.

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

You will be astonished if Ramsdale, KWP, THB, Dibling and Fernandes get signed by PL clubs?

Ok.

I, on the contrary, will not.

THB maybe but I can’t see there being many willing to pay the £25m+ we’d want for him. Even Dibling is only a maybe, the way he’s played recently.