Jay Robinson

[Lee On Solent Saint]

40 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

Why the fuck is this guy starting games in Serie A, but not considered worth having around a Championship club in place of, say, a bloke who is desperate to leave (and is shite)?

Can't make it make sense. Robinson is also an option in the 10, and I'm pretty sure he played as a striker on occasion for the youths. 

 

Agreed. Far more to his game than Edoize.

[bangkoksaint]

3 hours ago, Badger said:

Charles, play off SF, springs to mind.

Doesn’t count though as it got chalked off!!😉

[Ex Lion Tamer]

2 hours ago, qwertyell said:

Why the fuck is this guy starting games in Serie A, but not considered worth having around a Championship club in place of, say, a bloke who is desperate to leave (and is shite)?

Can't make it make sense. Robinson is also an option in the 10, and I'm pretty sure he played as a striker on occasion for the youths. 

 

He needs to be starting games week in week out otherwise he won't improve. 20 minutes here and there isn't enough and would be damaging for his development.

[There when Franny scored]

5 hours ago, benali-shorts said:

Scored a decent goal for Monza. 
 

 

Worrying Dan thinks that that commentary is in Italian. What are they teaching the youngsters in schools these days! 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

Good luck to him but playing for a lowly Serie A club isn't a major step up on a leading Championship club.

Always felt he is a busy body but with no end product. Hopefully he will develop over there and come back a better player. Evidently Juric saw something in him..

[SuperSAINT]

39 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Good luck to him but playing for a lowly Serie A club isn't a major step up on a leading Championship club.

Playing in Serie A at 19?  Might actually be amazing?

[washsaint]

54 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Good luck to him but playing for a lowly Serie A club isn't a major step up on a leading Championship club.

Always felt he is a busy body but with no end product. Hopefully he will develop over there and come back a better player. Evidently Juric saw something in him..

What an utter load of nonsense.  being a starter in Serie A at 19 (2nd ranked competition in Europe) or Championship (10th ranked) is not comparable.

I really thought Tonda believed in our Academy but it is seeming he is no different from the others.  Robinson would have been  a really good option for us this season and certainly offers more than Sam fuckin shite Edozie

[Nordic Saint]

What an attack Saints U21s had last year, with a front 3 of Amo-Ameyaw, Ballard and Robinson:

U21 Highlights: Saints 5-0 Fulham | Southampton FC Official Site

[benali-shorts]

9 hours ago, Nordic Saint said:

What an attack Saints U21s had last year, with a front 3 of Amo-Ameyaw, Ballard and Robinson:

U21 Highlights: Saints 5-0 Fulham | Southampton FC Official Site

But difficult to justify a commission to Rasmus’s brother’s Talent Identity company for kids in our own academy. Much better to player trade and show Dragan how clever that original plan was that so seduced him and his money. 

[Patrick Bateman]

10 hours ago, Nordic Saint said:

What an attack Saints U21s had last year, with a front 3 of Amo-Ameyaw, Ballard and Robinson:

U21 Highlights: Saints 5-0 Fulham | Southampton FC Official Site

I hadn't seen that before. Judging by the fact the club let Ballard go, no one at the club has seen it either. FFS. 

[benjii]

I like him but this loan could be brilliant for everyone. Next season we could have a great player on our hands - certainly a more developed one than if he spent 20 minutes replacing Leo every week. 

Maybe if we'd done something like this for Ballard, Amo-Ameyaw etc. they would have got a proper chance at SFC at the end of it.

Edited September 7 by benjii

[SaintNewForest]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

I like him but this loan could be brilliant for everyone. Next season we could have a great player on our hands - certainly a more developed one than if he spent 20 minutes replacing Leo every week. 

Maybe if we'd done something like this for Ballard, Amo-Ameyaw etc. they would have got a proper chance at SFC at the end of it.

Nah, we'll just end up selling him next summer for £££ I expect. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

I like him but this loan could be brilliant for everyone. Next season we could have a great player on our hands - certainly a more developed one than if he spent 20 minutes replacing Leo every week. 

Maybe if we'd done something like this for Ballard, Amo-Ameyaw etc. they would have got a proper chance at SFC at the end of it.

I suspect he will never play for Saints again.

When Tonda has finished being found out, we will scramble for a new manager and inevitably remain in this league...that is when the pain begins, Danny boy.

[qwertyell]

7 hours ago, benjii said:

I like him but this loan could be brilliant for everyone. Next season we could have a great player on our hands - certainly a more developed one than if he spent 20 minutes replacing Leo every week. 

Maybe if we'd done something like this for Ballard, Amo-Ameyaw etc. they would have got a proper chance at SFC at the end of it.

I'd argue that we don't have the luxury of making plans for next season and we should be mining every possible resource to acheive this season's goals.

To that end, Robinson offers us more value being a usable option in our squad, than being out on loan in someone else's squad. 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

10 hours ago, benjii said:

I like him but this loan could be brilliant for everyone. Next season we could have a great player on our hands - certainly a more developed one than if he spent 20 minutes replacing Leo every week. 

Maybe if we'd done something like this for Ballard, Amo-Ameyaw etc. they would have got a proper chance at SFC at the end of it.

Ballard had three loans and Sam AA went on loan to Strasbourg?

[benjii]

12 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Ballard had three loans and Sam AA went on loan to Strasbourg?

Ballard's loans were all lower league though, right? Impressing in Serie A is a bit different. 

[benjii]

15 hours ago, qwertyell said:

I'd argue that we don't have the luxury of making plans for next season and we should be mining every possible resource to acheive this season's goals.

To that end, Robinson offers us more value being a usable option in our squad, than being out on loan in someone else's squad. 

Depends how he is ranked amongst the squad. If he's 3rd choice on a wing then he would hardly play.

[hypochondriac]

13 minutes ago, benjii said:

Depends how he is ranked amongst the squad. If he's 3rd choice on a wing then he would hardly play.

I'd play him over Edozie.

[benjii]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd play him over Edozie.

I probably would too.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd play him over Edozie.

Would anyone not?

[benjii]

13 minutes ago, saintant said:

Would anyone not?

Tundra Eghardt.

[Bakovnetski]

6 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd play him over Edozie.

I'd play myself over Edozie.

[Gloucester Saint]

23 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd play him over Edozie.

I’d play you over him too. Got any pace to burn Hypo?

If you’ve got some occasional end product then you’ll do for us. 

[trousers]

[Willo of Whiteley]

46 minutes ago, trousers said:

Probably as likely as Rasmus Ankersen being headhunted by Man City

[Saint NL]

https://streamain.com/en/ylC5Jnht6NWHiU1/watch

 

A good finish to put Monza 3-0 up

[benali-shorts]

good for him. Shame not to have him as an option off the bench instead of edozie & fellows. 

 

[qwertyell]

Still fucking nonsense that we - a championship club short on attacking quality - loaned out a homegrown attacker who can play a number of roles and is apparently good enough to start and hold his own in Serie A.

[Disco Stu]

15 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

https://streamain.com/en/ylC5Jnht6NWHiU1/watch

 

A good finish to put Monza 3-0 up

Needs to work on his goal celebration.

[Fabrice29]

28 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

Still fucking nonsense that we - a championship club short on attacking quality - loaned out a homegrown attacker who can play a number of roles and is apparently good enough to start and hold his own in Serie A.

Don’t mind the overall point being made here but there is a manager holding his own there too, does the same logic apply?

[suewhistle]

He also hit the post tonight from which rebound a team mate scored, but more importantly from our point of view he played 88 minutes. Minutes he wouldn't be getting here yet.

[Saint Pete]

I guess Tonda & Spors made a call that Edozie was going to be the backup for Scienza in the squad this season. There's definitely an argument whether that was the wrong call and Jay should have been the backup with Edozie going out on loan or sold instead. But having made the call, it's much better Jay is out getting 1st team experience at a good level rather than waiting around in our U21s, which is what would have happened. Monza looks a good fit for him so far and it will be a great life experience for him in Italy too. 

[qwertyell]

 

1 hour ago, Saint Pete said:

But having made the call, it's much better Jay is out getting 1st team experience at a good level rather than waiting around in our U21s, which is what would have happened. 

Made 28 first team appearances last season, by the way. There's no reason to think he would've been kicking bricks in the u21s this term. 

If we don't get promoted, then Robinson going out "for experience" - rather than helping us achieve our objectives - means absolutely nothing to us, because he won't come back to a championship club if he's established himself at a far higher level. 

So what will we have achieved, aside from a nice profit from selling on yet another promising youngster rather than use him on the pitch?

 

[Saint Pete]

1 hour ago, qwertyell said:

 

Made 28 first team appearances last season, by the way. There's no reason to think he would've been kicking bricks in the u21s this term. 

If we don't get promoted, then Robinson going out "for experience" - rather than helping us achieve our objectives - means absolutely nothing to us, because he won't come back to a championship club if he's established himself at a far higher level. 

So what will we have achieved, aside from a nice profit from selling on yet another promising youngster rather than use him on the pitch?

 

Well, there is reason to think he would have been "kicking bricks" in U21s as you put it as that is exactly what he was doing for the majority of the part of last season that Tonda was in charge. Tonda made the call to bring Edozie back into the fold when previously he was out in the cold under Still. So clearly he felt Edozie was the right choice as backup rather than Robinson and has continued with that view into this season. 

Like I hinted in my post, I don't really agree with Tonda's (and/or Spors') choice but once they had made it, there's little point in Robinson staying to be 3rd choice and that's not realistic to have 3 choices for 1 position? We are not Chelsea. I hope Saints are not lining him up for a move as I think he can be useful for us, hopefully in the Prem. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Saint Pete

[Verbal]

6 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

Needs to work on his goal celebration.

Saw that, and have decided to chalk his goal off.