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ChrisPY

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Feel like his going to be similar in style and ability to Guly. Won’t be a world beater but he’ll work hard and contribute with a few goals and assists that could be vital across the season.

 

Saint Fan CaM

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9 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

As long as we don't give him a four deal. Hopefully a two year contract with an option for a third year 

🤣🤣🤣….not a chance - 4 year deal all the way.

CSA96

CSA96

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So we've had Damion Downs compared to Sekou Mara having not even played a full game yet and now we're onto comparing Guilavogui to Guly and Lemina before he's even signed for the club 

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Farmer Saint

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54 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Where are the Downes and THB level of quality signings for this season? Azaz maybe? Are we getting anyone else of a similar quality ?

I think we need better players than Downes and THB, don't we? I would also say considering his success in the Bundesliga, he may be ahead of those 2 anyway who both looked out of place in the Prem.

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think we need better players than Downes and THB, don't we? I would also say considering his success in the Bundesliga, he may be ahead of those 2 anyway who both looked out of place in the Prem.

I'd say those signings were/are exactly what we need in our position - quality with a history of decent performances in this league. 

CSA96

CSA96

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2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

If this signing is instead of Rak Saki I'll take it. If ahead of Azaz, I won't.

Azaz is a central player. Guilavogui plays across the front three, primarily off the right

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Saint NL

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1 minute ago, benjii said:

Another signing for the bench / training ground / Goztepe. 

Makes a change from the physio room I guess.

 

Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd say those signings were/are exactly what we need in our position - quality with a history of decent performances in this league. 

I don't rate either as any good. Downes only plays well for Martin, and THB is one of the most over-rated CBs I've seen, only masked by the fact Bednarek and Stephens were so shit alongside as well.

Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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1 minute ago, CSA96 said:

Azaz is a central player. Guilavogui plays across the front three, primarily off the right

Yeah, I know, but may have been bought thinking he can be that creative spark behind the striker. That wouldn't do.

hypochondriac

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Just now, Farmer Saint said:

I don't rate either as any good. Downes only plays well for Martin, and THB is one of the most over-rated CBs I've seen, only masked by the fact Bednarek and Stephens were so shit alongside as well.

Both of them were absolutely key parts of us gaining promotion from this league. Note I didn't say I want clone of those two players, I said players of that quality. I simply disagree with you that THB and Downes do not have a history of being top performers in this league -albeit there may be some question marks about Downes playing in a system that isn't heavily possession based.

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Wsaint

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Where are the Downes and THB level of quality signings for this season? Azaz maybe? Are we getting anyone else of a similar quality ?

I'd say Mads can be classed as that level, no? He's done it in this league, prem experience. So if we do get Azaz, there would be the two, Anything else a bonus?

Then if this Morgan fella turns out alright we're laughing all the way to autos...

Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Both of them were absolutely key parts of us gaining promotion from this league. Note I didn't say I want clone of those two players, I said players of that quality. I simply disagree with you that THB and Downes do not have a history of being top performers in this league -albeit there may be some question marks about Downes playing in a system that isn't heavily possession based.

Some questions marks?? It's blatantly obvious. Don't forget Smallbone and Adam Armstrong  were also key.

I don't rate them, never have. When we signed THB the biggest strike against him was he was part of a defence that conceded a fuck ton of goals in the Championship, and that Vincent Kompany decided he wasn't worth signing for £15m. That raises huge question marks. He was then part of a defence in the PL with a good keeper, and we still conceded a shit load, irrespective of which manager was in charge.

It's fine that I don't rate them, and you do, but personally I want better players than that as I think they're distinctly average Championship players (THB may be slightly above average).

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Farmer Saint

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1 minute ago, Wsaint said:

I'd say Mads can be classed as that level, no? He's done it in this league, prem experience. So if we do get Azaz, there would be the two, Anything else a bonus?

Then if this Morgan fella turns out alright we're laughing all the way to autos...

Mads is above that level I'd say.

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hypochondriac

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Just now, Wsaint said:

I'd say Mads can be classed as that level, no? He's done it in this league, prem experience. So if we do get Azaz, there would be the two, Anything else a bonus?

Then if this Morgan fella turns out alright we're laughing all the way to autos...

I'm happy with the Mads signing which improves us but that's not where I think we are in the most need of strengthening. I don't share your confidence that that will be enough for autos I'm afraid. With that squad we should be alright for the playoffs. We won't score enough and we don't have enough in midfield for me.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Some questions marks?? It's blatantly obvious. Don't forget Smallbone and Adam Armstrong  were also key.

I don't rate them, never have. When we signed THB the biggest strike against him was he was part of a defence that conceded a fuck ton of goals in the Championship, and that Vincent Kompany decided he wasn't worth signing for £15m. That raises huge question marks. He was then part of a defence in the PL with a good keeper, and we still conceded a shit load, irrespective of which manager was in charge.

It's fine that I don't rate them, and you do, but personally I want better players than that as I think they're distinctly average Championship players (THB may be slightly above average).

I think if we ran a straw poll that Downes and THB would not be described as distinctly average championship players. You can disagree but I think your opinion would be in the minority.

ChrisPY

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16 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

So we've had Damion Downs compared to Sekou Mara having not even played a full game yet and now we're onto comparing Guilavogui to Guly and Lemina before he's even signed for the club 

I’d take slight issue with my comparison to Guly being grouped with the Lemina comparison.

He’s able to play across the attacking midfield positions as well as filling in as a striker. On the taller side as an attacking midfielder and seen him described as hard working, technically good but inconsistent.

Without knowing a lot about him, it felt like a fair comparison to what Guly gave us.

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Wsaint

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2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm happy with the Mads signing which improves us but that's not where I think we are in the most need of strengthening. I don't share your confidence that that will be enough for autos I'm afraid. With that squad we should be alright for the playoffs. We won't score enough and we don't have enough in midfield for me.

The auto's comment wasn't entirely serious.

I'd say with KWP departure RB was definitely somewhere we urgently needed strengthening, unless you wanted to go through the season with just Bree and a recently departed and sadly awful sugawara.

 

I'd like to see some more come in midfield as you, but you were asking where the THB and Downes signings were and Mads is certainly that. This guy not so much but there's still (a bit) of time.

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skintsaint

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Quick look on the St Pauli forum, seems €6m was the asking price and that was too much for them. Nothing too derogatory on him generally. Hope he doesn't have another slow start otherwise this forum will go into meltdown again after 1 game.

 

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RedArmy

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11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think if we ran a straw poll that Downes and THB would not be described as distinctly average championship players. You can disagree but I think your opinion would be in the minority.

Distinctly average would be an improvement for the pair of them this season. 
 

But they were key players 2 years ago, hence why we signed them permanently. 

hypochondriac

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5 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Distinctly average would be an improvement for the pair of them this season. 
 

But they were key players 2 years ago, hence why we signed them permanently. 

That was my point. Very early days this year and THB in particular has been out injured for months.

Farmer Saint

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17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think if we ran a straw poll that Downes and THB would not be described as distinctly average championship players. You can disagree but I think your opinion would be in the minority.

I'm not sure that means anything? A polling of the country thought it would be a good idea to leave the EU. Polls mean jack shit in relation to reality.

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Farmer Saint

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19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm happy with the Mads signing which improves us but that's not where I think we are in the most need of strengthening. I don't share your confidence that that will be enough for autos I'm afraid. With that squad we should be alright for the playoffs. We won't score enough and we don't have enough in midfield for me.

As we discussed yesterday, our squad is very similar to last time in terms of quality, so not sure why that team was capable of autos yet this one is only capable of playoffs?

Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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9 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Distinctly average would be an improvement for the pair of them this season. 
 

But they were key players 2 years ago, hence why we signed them permanently. 

We had to sign THB, we had no choice as it was written into the contract. Downes is a good player when in a Martin system, and we got promoted with Martin so it made sense to purchase him.

I just think they're average, that's all. Hypo thinks they're much better than that. Not sure there is much else to say about it.

Dman

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2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

We had to sign THB, we had no choice as it was written into the contract. Downes is a good player when in a Martin system, and we got promoted with Martin so it made sense to purchase him.

I just think they're average, that's all. Hypo thinks they're much better than that. Not sure there is much else to say about it.

i don't disagree with the fact they're pretty average players, but they were experienced in this leauge (top end in the case of THB). 

Hindsight is wonderful, but we absolutely overpaid for them. 

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Farmer Saint

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1 minute ago, Dman said:

i don't disagree with the fact they're pretty average players, but they were experienced in this leauge (top end in the case of THB). 

Hindsight is wonderful, but we absolutely overpaid for them. 

And I think it looks like this guy (who I can't pronounce his name) and Roerslev are slightly above that, having proven themselves in better divisions.

That's all I was saying.

 

 

And I called this out when we signed THB and Downes, so no Captain Hindsight here from me 😉

Chez

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Downs, Quarshie and Guilavogiu all seem to be very similar builds and to a certain degree, similar styles of players. All tall and rangey, physical, quick. All look like genuine athletes. The squad has been in desperate need of this. We have had far too many small, slow, lightweight players. Roerslev seems a good build too...and Stewart's return adds some further height (he's another with a tall lean build). Obviously, ability on the ball is essential if you want to control games, but it should help us close gaps down and exploit spaces. At the very least (with a bit of luck) we'll stop conceding from set pieces and start scoring a few more at the other end. 

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S-Clarke

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2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Downs, Quarshie and Guilavogiu all seem to be very similar builds and to a certain degree, similar styles of players. All tall and rangey, physical, quick. All look like genuine athletes. The squad has been in desperate need of this. We have had far too many small, slow, lightweight players. Roerslev seems a good build too. Obviously, ability on the ball is essential if you want to control games, but it should help us close gaps down and exploit spaces. At the very least (with a bit of luck) we'll stop conceding from set pieces and start scoring a few more at the other end. 

Add Azaz to that too, he's not the quickest, but he's not small. a 6ft number 10.

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Chez

Chez

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4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Add Azaz to that too, he's not the quickest, but he's not small. a 6ft number 10.

Yeah, I just amended my post to include Stewart, as he is tall and lean like these guys. Omari Kellyman was mentioned on the transfer thread and he's another with that similar build. I mentioned trying to loan Lewis Miley from Newcastle...and he's another tall rangey player. 
 

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UpweySaint

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1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

Dreadful.  We are being run by a load of bullshitting cunts.  Treating us like fucking twats.

Tell us how you really feel…

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Dreadful.  We are being run by a load of bullshitting cunts.  Treating us like fucking twats.

Well I think this guy is the final piece of the jigsaw. But the jigsaw is a picture of a puffin bring run over by a truck driven by Jimmy Savile. On fire.

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