Will Still Poll - Keep or Replace?

[benjii]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

It is crystal clear he is out of his depth. However, as said already by so many, SR will only replace with another dud experiment. Also, who is there out there now available we would want? For me, we would have to try and poach a decent championship manager and I am not so sure many would want to come here. I said it weeks back, something is wrong within the club somewhere. Coaching staff, high up management...not sure where but someone who has an affect on the players. Someone or something or both, is poison within the club and creating bad vibes. We have very good players and with a normal manager and no bad vibes we would for sure be in the top six with this lot. Without even a striker I still believe we are good enough to be top six. Something is very wrong inside SFC. All our decent players go backwards in ability. We seem to anti-coach them. 

Good post. Also, why did you steal Nic's log in?

[saintant]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

It is crystal clear he is out of his depth. However, as said already by so many, SR will only replace with another dud experiment. Also, who is there out there now available we would want? For me, we would have to try and poach a decent championship manager and I am not so sure many would want to come here. I said it weeks back, something is wrong within the club somewhere. Coaching staff, high up management...not sure where but someone who has an affect on the players. Someone or something or both, is poison within the club and creating bad vibes. We have very good players and with a normal manager and no bad vibes we would for sure be in the top six with this lot. Without even a striker I still believe we are good enough to be top six. Something is very wrong inside SFC. All our decent players go backwards in ability. We seem to anti-coach them. 

Have you not twigged yet that our continued dive into oblivion coincided with Semmens making the stupid decision to sell the club to Sports Republic.

[Killers Knee]

It doesn’t matter who we bring in, the implementation of tactics and patterns of play are not being communicated from manager to player.  The intermediary in these comms are the coaches and that’s where the problem lies.

[Wade Garrett]

10 hours ago, danjosaint said:

Steve Cooper?

I would at least try and buy him out of Brondby.  Unlikely to happen though.

[Convict Colony]

Guys i might be in the minority but still has us creating chances, apparently defending well according to the Xg table someone posted we should be 2nd.

The issue is lack of finishing and personal mistakes.

 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, Wade Garrett said:

I would at least try and buy him out of Brondby.  Unlikely to happen though.

If SR are brave enough to make the change, I doubt we will go with anyone currently employed. Seems a likely shoot out between Gerrard and Carrick. Surely even the twats running the club aren't going to consider Rooney?

[Badger]

24 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

If SR are brave enough to make the change, I doubt we will go with anyone currently employed. Seems a likely shoot out between Gerrard and Carrick. Surely even the twats running the club aren't going to consider Rooney?

About four weeks of posturing, lots of ‘many strong candidates’ and ‘great deal of interest from home and abroad ‘ ….. then appoint some fucker who is unemployed and available weeks before. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Badger said:

About four weeks of posturing, lots of ‘many strong candidates’ and ‘great deal of interest from home and abroad ‘ ….. then appoint some fucker who is unemployed and available weeks before. 

🤣

have you seen this somewhere before?’

[Badger]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

🤣

have you seen this somewhere before?’

Just a few times.

Think they should rehash Rupert’s favourite ‘no one’s ruled out, no one’s ruled in ‘ mantra from his time with us, when on a managerial search. 

[Badger]

34 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

If SR are brave enough to make the change, I doubt we will go with anyone currently employed. Seems a likely shoot out between Gerrard and Carrick. Surely even the twats running the club aren't going to consider Rooney?

Perhaps they’ll just give Nivea a run out as interim, then announce until end of season. Saves them from actually making a decision. 

Edited Wednesday at 18:26 by Badger

[Wade Garrett]

3 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

If SR are brave enough to make the change, I doubt we will go with anyone currently employed. Seems a likely shoot out between Gerrard and Carrick. Surely even the twats running the club aren't going to consider Rooney?

If Rooney has got a laptop, skinny jeans and vapes like a cunt I wouldn’t rule him out.

[Badger]

4 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

If Rooney has got a laptop, skinny jeans and vapes like a cunt I wouldn’t rule him out.

Carrick might tick the skinny jeans criteria. Probably uses a laptop. Has a beard as well.

No idea of his vaping credentials. 

[Dark Munster]

15 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Someone or something or both, is poison within the club and creating bad vibes. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

4 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Guys i might be in the minority but still has us creating chances, apparently defending well according to the Xg table someone posted we should be 2nd.

The issue is lack of finishing and personal mistakes.

 

This is true, but my question is why? Finishing obviously is due to the club repeatedly not signing a decent big striker.

Personal mistakes is a bit more complex - take their first goal…you could argue that the scuffed attempt at a clearance by Wood was unlucky and let’s face it, Wood has looked good value lately. But when you look at where the entire defensive line was when he had to kick the ball (almost on the halfway line), which in turn allowed their striker in, you have to question the tactics or at least the coaching of tactics. Why did the defensive line need to be so high? Well because that’s the way we’ve played for 4-5 seasons now - every forward ball HAS to start with a CB who then passes out to a wing-back who invariably goes backwards to a CB ad Infinitum. This method of play persists - who is stipulating this? It’s a massive big deal because not only is it losing us games, it’s instrumental in not allowing the new players to make a positive impact on performance. I’m no tactical expert but to my mind it simply has to be stamped on or we’ll keep falling.

[Andrew Watson]

I think Still is out of his depth,but how many on here think Spors is capable of making the right call ? I certainly do not, surely an English manager who knows the championship,can motivate players and can be a hands on coach [ as opposed to a computer manager ] is the way to go.

[you muppets]

its time

[Baird of the land]

12 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

I think Still is out of his depth,but how many on here think Spors is capable of making the right call ? I certainly do not, surely an English manager who knows the championship,can motivate players and can be a hands on coach [ as opposed to a computer manager ] is the way to go.

I agree on knowledge of the Championship being important. However, that manager being english or british should doesn't feel like it should be.

[Saint86]

Still has a couple of weeks to save his job imo. And he's going to have to sort out the fucking tactics to make us more efficeint and with better protection at the backline. I couldn't care how high our xG is - it doesn't count when the players on the end of the chances are Jander and Charles half the time. Be more solid, attack less, and focus more of the attacking to our plethora of very expensive attacking players. And FFS, play a bloody holding CDM in the midfield 3, and have a deep lying play maker (azaz/jander) who's job is to float in the space in midfield and use the moment of what is on paper a very talented and mobile set of wingers and attackers (in AA, Fellows, Scienza, Robinson etc.). It is absolutely pointless always being pushed right up to the opposition box, with them set in a strong formation, and having limited space to move - as the city manager says - enjoy the chaos of making the opposition team defend whilst you run and break through them - don't just play in front of a set defence.

[Saint NL]

13 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

think Still is out of his depth,but how many on here think Spors is capable of making the right call ?

Looks like he'll making those decisions in Italy  

[ally_uk]

With the quality in our squad compared to other teams and money spent  we shouldn't be 18th in the league..... 

Dress it up all you want, XG bollocks this....

Our current position is fucking embarrassing  what is happening to our club ?

 

Next game keep it simple 

Azzaz at top behind Amrsgrong and Archer with instructions to feed the ball through..... 

Or get Aribo up top behind the strikers to hold up the ball. 

 

Edited Thursday at 12:28 by ally_uk

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, ally_uk said:

With the quality in our squad compared to other teams and money spent  we shouldn't be 18th in the league..... 

Dress it up all you want, XG bollocks this....

Our current position is fucking embarrassing  what is happening to our club ?

 

Next game keep it simple 

Azzaz at top behind Amrsgrong and Archer with instructions to feed the ball through..... 

Or get Aribo up top behind the strikers to hold up the ball. 

 

Sounds simple right? It’s not…why? Because whatever combination of players chosen in midfield and up front will come unstuck because they’re nearly always attempting to play through 11 men. The act of “feeding the ball through” is easily defeated by 11 men behind the ball - we’re just so damned predictable.

I don’t have the answer but I would bet a hefty sum that most Championship goals are scored on the break and/or through quick transitions to a striker who has a pair of shooting boots. When we manage to do that we look very good value - the problem is we rarely do it because of the snail pace manner in which the ball is moved out of defence and/or because we’re overrun in midfield with a higher risk of being turned over.

[saint michael]

15 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

It is well broken so stop trying to truly fuck it 

[Mr X]

We have to give him a few more games but we seriously need to see some evidence that he can turn it around.... I've not seen a lot that prooves he's either tactically astute can make players better or can motivate them... Add that to weird formations and it's not a good recipe, also I'm not sure the players are fully playing for him at the moment 

Edited Thursday at 14:18 by Mr X

[Badger]

3 hours ago, Mr X said:

We have to give him a few more games but we seriously need to see some evidence that he can turn it around.... I've not seen a lot that prooves he's either tactically astute can make players better or can motivate them... Add that to weird formations and it's not a good recipe, also I'm not sure the players are fully playing for him at the moment 

Why ? 

[Give it to Ron]

All this XG bollox ….is it XG that plays 5 at back v Swansea at 0-0 when they take off their best player on 65 mins?

Is it XG that when 3-1 down takes off a forward and midfielder plays Fellows wing back yet keeps a back 5 again?

We were sold Still as a flexible tactical manager….im yet to see it!

Edited Thursday at 18:20 by Give it to Ron

[Miltonaggro]

21 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

If Rooney has got a laptop, skinny jeans and vapes like a cunt I wouldn’t rule him out.

Laptop, stretch jeans and hobby sounds similar to 'vapes' like a cunt!  Near enough...

[AlexLaw76]

19 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

All this XG bollox ….is it XG that plays 5 at back v Swansea at 0-0 when they take off their best player on 65 mins?

Is it XG that when 3-1 down takes off a forward and midfielder plays Fellows wing back yet keeps a back 5 again?

We were sold Still as a flexible tactical manager….im yet to see it!

exactly that. Some / many got giddy because we dominated Swansea. So we should, their entire match day squad probably cost as much as Damion Downs

[Give it to Ron]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

exactly that. Some / many got giddy because we dominated Swansea. So we should, their entire match day squad probably cost as much as Damion Downs

So I sort of accepted some of it because  Christ Janders miss was astonishing but why keep 3 centre halves all game? Where is the tactical manager that switches 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 or 4-4 fcking2 yet all I have seen is a rigid 5 with 3 defenders and just a Martin type shuffle of players in same places.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Give it to Ron said:

So I sort of accepted some of it because  Christ Janders miss was astonishing but why keep 3 centre halves all game? Where is the tactical manager that switches 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 or 4-4 fcking2 yet all I have seen is a rigid 5 with 3 defenders and just a Martin type shuffle of players in same places.

Aye. It was clear that we did not need 3 CBs, or that the team suited 3CBs as the game went on. The consistent deployment of Fellows at RWB is nuts. I bet him and Azaz are gutted they were sold.

[OldNick]

Keep

[DT]

He's Still here then. Half of me actually wants to lose against Blackburn for the greater good of the club if it means he goes.

[Saint Fan CaM]

59 minutes ago, DT said:

He's Still here then. Half of me actually wants to lose against Blackburn for the greater good of the club if it means he goes.

Re-build from league one you mean? Not a bad idea, although I seem to remember a similar call when we were relegated to the Championship…re-build for the EPL they said…it’ll all be fine they said.

[Badger]

1 hour ago, DT said:

He's Still here then. Half of me actually wants to lose against Blackburn for the greater good of the club if it means he goes.

A week or so ago, I might have agreed with you, but I'm now left with the question 'what's the point given the likely replacements SR might go for ?'

Is there a candidate out there worth considering, or will we end up with another uninspiring dullard? Just have to put our trust in Spors and SR, to get it right, and unfortunately every management appointment since Ralph has been disappointing, if not just poor (even allowing for the fact Lego got us up).