New Manager Debate

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

3 hours ago, Forester said:

Yes I watched it.  It starts with “I grew up as a Millwall fan”

Anyone who says he grew up a Millwall fan (or any other club) but later switches support to a different club is little more than a cunt imo - even more reason to sack this stupid fookin' idea off

3 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

Alan Ball anyone? Loved P*mpey. 

He also said that even when he was manager down there he'd have "walked over broken glass" to get the Southampton job. He was a fantastic player for us, two spells, and one of my favourite eras as manager. He may very well have had affection for the skates from his time there, he was a likeable fella, but he loved Southampton.

[Badger]

24 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I genuinely don't understand how Gary O'Neil can be considered a better option than Michael Carrick?

Then again, I don't understand most of the decisions the board make. 

Salary expectation. 

A twat who played for skates isn't going to be seeking the same as a former ManUtd , England international, who is currently well respected (and has a beard). 

Only flaw is that Carrick might want to stay up north. GON though might want to locate his former caravan away from a PO postcode.

 

[CB Fry]

27 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I genuinely don't understand how Gary O'Neil can be considered a better option than Michael Carrick?

Then again, I don't understand most of the decisions the board make. 

Not sure what Carrick has actually achieved that is so much better than O Neil? 

Carrick steadily worse season by season at Boro. 10th last time out which is Russell Martin level mediocrity.

14th in Premier League is better than anything Carrick has ever achieved.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by CB Fry

[RedWillie]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

And portsmuff players still waiting to be paid for it 🤣🤣🤣

[Badger]

1 hour ago, saintwbu said:

Maybe this is all to make us grateful for the more obscure name that is coming instead - we’ll take whoever isn’t GON

Apart from Russell Martin. 

[CB Fry]

Just now, Badger said:

A twat who played for skates isn't going to be seeking the same as a former ManUtd , England international, who is currently well respected (and has a beard). 

Premier League experienced manager vs someone who has never managed outside the Championship? Yeah I don't think those salaries are that different.

Honestly you people are mental sometimes 

[Badger]

Just now, CB Fry said:

Premier League experienced manager vs someone who has never managed outside the Championship? Yeah I don't think those salaries are that different.

Honestly you people are mental sometimes 

The likes of Carrick, Lampard, and Gerrard will command a premium over unproven managers after one season in the EPL at this stage of their career. 

[DrunkenSaint]

34 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I genuinely don't understand how Gary O'Neil can be considered a better option than Michael Carrick?

Then again, I don't understand most of the decisions the board make. 

because hes another Martin, plays slow boring football unless hes changed his style but managers rarely do.

[joeyd]

This outrage is totally manufactured. How many ex Portsmouth players have saints had in the past and vice versa? It doesn’t matter. Crying about this is just performative tribalism. 
 

I don’t want O’Neill purely because I don’t think he’d be that good here and he’s definitely got his limitations. Couldn’t give a toss who he played for 20 years ago. 

[SW11_Saint]

22 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Anyone who says he grew up a Millwall fan (or any other club) but later switches support to a different club is little more than a cunt imo - even more reason to sack this stupid fookin' idea off

He also said that even when he was manager down there he'd have "walked over broken glass" to get the Southampton job. He was a fantastic player for us, two spells, and one of my favourite eras as manager. He may very well have had affection for the skates from his time there, he was a likeable fella, but he loved Southampton.

Don’t dispute that at all - or if he had to pick a stronger affinity it would be us, but the point is people can bridge the great divide. Beresford & Horne two players who did it successfully. Others rather more mixed (Viafara, Quarshie etc.). 

Edited 4 hours ago by SW11_Saint

[sockeye]

5 minutes ago, joeyd said:

This outrage is totally manufactured. How many ex Portsmouth players have saints had in the past and vice versa? It doesn’t matter. Crying about this is just performative tribalism. 
 

I don’t want O’Neill purely because I don’t think he’d be that good here and he’s definitely got his limitations. Couldn’t give a toss who he played for 20 years ago. 

This is true. Our last Portsmouth player was a great success.

[Sarnia Cherie]

I thought I had read that Tony Mowbray was a possibility but there's not much being said about him. 

[Harry_SFC]

41 minutes ago, Morse said:

Not O'Neil ffs!  He's a Skate, but he's also not that good. We can and should do better. 

You do realise we are bottom half of the Championship, don't you? 

[AlexLaw76]

15 minutes ago, joeyd said:

This outrage is totally manufactured. How many ex Portsmouth players have saints had in the past and vice versa? It doesn’t matter. Crying about this is just performative tribalism.  

Very much agree with this

[Saint_clark]

There's a difference between signing a former Pompey player who played one season for them to signing a youth product who played for them for 7 years and is considered a legend by their fans. 

Go to Fratton Park and lose and the entire home end will be chanting his name. 

Fuck that prick, I don't want him anywhere near the club.

[Badger]

15 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

I thought I had read that Tony Mowbray was a possibility but there's not much being said about him. 

I'd be happier with that as a short term option  than lumbering us with some twat for 3 years. 

[Hopper]

45 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

I know its fashionable to write off Bundesliga 2 but didnt Fabian Hurzeler (Brighton mgr) get recruited on the basis of a great season and getting them promoted he left a couple of weeks after.

Yep. Just a gut feel but I think this is the most likely route Spors will take.

[Wade Garrett]

O’Neil was odds on with William Hill who have now pulled the betting.

Might not mean anything, who knows.

Edited 4 hours ago by Wade Garrett

[AlexLaw76]

Lots of faux outrage incoming 

[joeyd]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Lots of faux outrage incoming 

Considering how fickle football fans are if he wins a few games this will magically become a non-issue. 

[Saint_clark]

Just now, joeyd said:

Considering how fickle football fans are if he wins a few games this will magically become a non-issue. 

Doubt it, it'll more likely end up like Benitez at Chelsea where he just gets begrudgingly ignored. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, joeyd said:

Considering how fickle football fans are if he wins a few games this will magically become a non-issue. 

Exactly.

Jason puncheon literally went on strike. Came back, few boos then was celebrated after a couple of good games

[CB Fry]

43 minutes ago, Badger said:

The likes of Carrick, Lampard, and Gerrard will command a premium over unproven managers after one season in the EPL at this stage of their career. 

Lampard has managed in the Premier League. Gerrard has managed in the Premier League and in Europe.

Carrick couldn't hold down the Middlesbrough job. 

 

[Forester]

Other than erudite comments such as “fuck that skate”, I have yet to hear any compelling argument as to why O’Neil should be excluded.  Older fans well remember Horne and Crouch being hugely popular players despite formerly playing for Pompey, and Viafara was pretty popular too.  None of whom ever gave less than a shift and in Crouch’s case was player of the season.

From personal family knowledge I can assure you that people inside the game look at what is in their professional interests, and if the right opportunity comes up will not give these issues much thought.  And to repeat, he grew up as Millwall fan.  Like all the other clubs he played at, he recalls good times.  So what?

Moving away from all this, what is indisputable is that he clocked up two successful season at unfancied Premier League clubs.  Bournemouth had just been promoted, shipped nine at Anfield and sacked Parker.  He stepped in and guided them to mid table safety.  For a newly promoted side that is excellent.

Then at Wolves Lopertegi walked out the week before the season started saying squad was inadequate to survive.  Again he led them to comfortable mid table finish.  Great job.

Following season he was sacked midway through.  It happens.  Strachan, Potch and Koeman were all sacked earlier in their careers, and then subsequently.

You can bet if he gets the job he will be desperate to succeed, and the above track records suggests if he can get us up he has much better chance of keeping us up than Martyn and many others do.  So if appointed put the childish stuff to one side.

[CB Fry]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

All I'll say is a significant percentage of saints fans would disagree with you. Twitchy is the definition of a cunt and a significant reason for that is his history with the great unwashed next door to us. 

You must have been a different St Mary's Stadium that i was in. Because I heard plenty of "we're staying up with Harry and Jim" being sung early on.

He's a cunt because he relegated us, failed to take us back up and then fucked off back to Portsmouth.

If he'd kept us up he'd have been a hero.

 

They entire time he was managing Wolves and Bournemouth I never thought about GON as a Pompey player. And I definitely dont care now. If anything he will screw his own prospects of managing them anytime in the future.

Not my first choice no way but not sure it is a terrible choice.

[capitalsaint]

7 minutes ago, Forester said:

Other than erudite comments such as “fuck that skate”, I have yet to hear any compelling argument as to why O’Neil should be excluded.  Older fans well remember Horne and Crouch being hugely popular players despite formerly playing for Pompey, and Viafara was pretty popular too.  None of whom ever gave less than a shift and in Crouch’s case was player of the season.

From personal family knowledge I can assure you that people inside the game look at what is in their professional interests, and if the right opportunity comes up will not give these issues much thought.  And to repeat, he grew up as Millwall fan.  Like all the other clubs he played at, he recalls good times.  So what?

Moving away from all this, what is indisputable is that he clocked up two successful season at unfancied Premier League clubs.  Bournemouth had just been promoted, shipped nine at Anfield and sacked Parker.  He stepped in and guided them to mid table safety.  For a newly promoted side that is excellent.

Then at Wolves Lopertegi walked out the week before the season started saying squad was inadequate to survive.  Again he led them to comfortable mid table finish.  Great job.

Following season he was sacked midway through.  It happens.  Strachan, Potch and Koeman were all sacked earlier in their careers, and then subsequently.

You can bet if he gets the job he will be desperate to succeed, and the above track records suggests if he can get us up he has much better chance of keeping us up than Martyn and many others do.  So if appointed put the childish stuff to one side.

If he did such a great job, why were Wolves fans so against him returning?

[Graffito]

5 minutes ago, Forester said:

Other than erudite comments such as “fuck that skate”, I have yet to hear any compelling argument as to why O’Neil should be excluded.  Older fans well remember Horne and Crouch being hugely popular players despite formerly playing for Pompey, and Viafara was pretty popular too.  None of whom ever gave less than a shift and in Crouch’s case was player of the season.

From personal family knowledge I can assure you that people inside the game look at what is in their professional interests, and if the right opportunity comes up will not give these issues much thought.  And to repeat, he grew up as Millwall fan.  Like all the other clubs he played at, he recalls good times.  So what?

Moving away from all this, what is indisputable is that he clocked up two successful season at unfancied Premier League clubs.  Bournemouth had just been promoted, shipped nine at Anfield and sacked Parker.  He stepped in and guided them to mid table safety.  For a newly promoted side that is excellent.

Then at Wolves Lopertegi walked out the week before the season started saying squad was inadequate to survive.  Again he led them to comfortable mid table finish.  Great job.

Following season he was sacked midway through.  It happens.  Strachan, Potch and Koeman were all sacked earlier in their careers, and then subsequently.

You can bet if he gets the job he will be desperate to succeed, and the above track records suggests if he can get us up he has much better chance of keeping us up than Martyn and many others do.  So if appointed put the childish stuff to one side.

Here’s a compelling argument as far as I’m concerned. I have no objection in principle to his Portsmouth connections but in practice very much. Should the tin eared twats of SR appoint him, he’d have no leeway with results, style of football or anything else the fans didn’t like. The fans would be straight on his back. His appointment would add to whole extra layer of risk to the most important appointment at any football club, one which SR keeps ballsing up. If they want to protect their investment don’t appoint O’Neill.

[Mboto Gorge]

3 minutes ago, capitalsaint said:

If he did such a great job, why were Wolves fans so against him returning?

Because they’re in the premier league and can probably set their sights a bit higher. We are down the bottom of the championship. Not really difficult to work out.

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, capitalsaint said:

If he did such a great job, why were Wolves fans so against him returning?

Not sure that's the slam dunk question you think it is.

Wolves fans won't be dancing in the streets at the prospect of Michael Carrick or Gerrard or the other contenders we are looking at either.

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, capitalsaint said:

If he did such a great job, why were Wolves fans so against him returning?

We would be looking at Nathan Jones as a fan base right now had we not collectively binned him previously.

[capitalsaint]

11 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Not sure that's the slam dunk question you think it is.

Wolves fans won't be dancing in the streets at the prospect of Michael Carrick or Gerrard or the other contenders we are looking at either.

I don’t think it’s a slam dunk, but they utterly loathe him up there. 
 

Edited to add: the point I was getting at is that they have seen his methods firsthand and were vitriolic at the prospect of him coming back. They know as much about Gerrard or Carrick as we do, but they know about O’Neil far more than us.

Edited 3 hours ago by capitalsaint
Last post of the day!

[Mboto Gorge]

7 minutes ago, capitalsaint said:

I don’t think it’s a slam dunk, but they utterly loathe him up there. 
 

Edited to add: the point I was getting at is that they have seen his methods firsthand and were vitriolic at the prospect of him coming back. They know as much about Gerrard or Carrick as we do, but they know about O’Neil far more than us.

Again, they’re in the premier league, I wouldn’t really want O’Neill anywhere near us in the premier league. I wonder how many clubs in the bottom 6 of the champship would turn him down, however. The two leagues are worlds apart 

[AlexLaw76]

11 minutes ago, capitalsaint said:

I don’t think it’s a slam dunk, but they utterly loathe him up there. 
 

Edited to add: the point I was getting at is that they have seen his methods firsthand and were vitriolic at the prospect of him coming back. They know as much about Gerrard or Carrick as we do, but they know about O’Neil far more than us.

Just like us loathing Mad Nate. Yet I suspect Charlton fans will think we are mental right now for having that view 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Again, they’re in the premier league, I wouldn’t really want O’Neill anywhere near us in the premier league. I wonder how many clubs in the bottom 6 of the champship would turn him down, however. The two leagues are worlds apart 

We don't have the budget or really the players to be a bottom six championship club thpugh. We can and should get better.

 

[sfc4prem]

5 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

The two leagues are worlds apart 

They certainly seemed to be when Russell led us into the PL.

[Mboto Gorge]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Just like us loathing Mad Nate. Yet I suspect Charlton fans will think we are mental right now for having that view 

The over the top hostility towards him was ridiculous in my view, yeah he was out of his depth but, for a fanbase who quietly sit on their hands and don’t protest against others far more culpable in our decline, who also preceded to politely applaud even worse performances overseen by Selles afterwards, was bizarre. The better manager of those 2, has certainly become patently obvious since then.

Edited 3 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[Hopper]

34 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

We would be looking at Nathan Jones as a fan base right now had we not collectively binned him previously.

I think it does show how important the 'fit' of manager to the club is. Failed misserably at Stoke and here. Flourished at Luton and Charlton.

There's this odd element of chemistry and personel that non of us can properly predict.

How many times have we seen managers who have been great at one club move on and completely fall apart at another. Only the very elite have the skill to adapt and change culture.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hopper

[hypochondriac]

59 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Lampard has managed in the Premier League. Gerrard has managed in the Premier League and in Europe.

Carrick couldn't hold down the Middlesbrough job. 

 

Except he did hold it down for three seasons, particularly good the first season we he took them into the playoffs from 21st.

[LGTL]

4 hours ago, trousers said:

This is what we’re fucking dealing with here. Anyone wanting this cunt needs their head examining. I’d be booing the wanker the moment he walked out the tunnel. Some of us won’t forgive and won’t forget. 

[Wade Garrett]

6 minutes ago, LGTL said:

This is what we’re fucking dealing with here. Anyone wanting this cunt needs their head examining. I’d be booing the wanker the moment he walked out the tunnel. Some of us won’t forgive and won’t forget. 

Fair enough.  I’d be more concerned with his selection and tactics but each to their own.

[jamesfp1]

They can't be that stupid

[Convict Colony]

In the interviews i have seen (non football related) he seems a super nice guy.

However he looks too much like a gypsy for me to endorse him.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, joeyd said:

This outrage is totally manufactured. How many ex Portsmouth players have saints had in the past and vice versa? It doesn’t matter. Crying about this is just performative tribalism. 
 

I don’t want O’Neill purely because I don’t think he’d be that good here and he’s definitely got his limitations. Couldn’t give a toss who he played for 20 years ago. 

I have no issue with him but get the fact that it would turn toxic very quickly if he came here and didn't get off to a good start. For that reason I don't think he'd be a good choice.

[hypochondriac]

Those saying it doesn't matter that he played for Portsmouth for a long time, is considered something of a legend there and has history on social media supporting them must surely concede that it does matter to some of the fan base and that in itself will create some division. If he has a difficult patch or doesn't get results quickly he's not going to get understanding and patience in the same way that another less divisive managerial appointment would do.

[joeyd]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Those saying it doesn't matter that he played for Portsmouth for a long time, is considered something of a legend there and has history on social media supporting them must surely concede that it does matter to some of the fan base and that in itself will create some division. If he has a difficult patch or doesn't get results quickly he's not going to get understanding and patience in the same way that another less divisive managerial appointment would do.

But imagine actually pretending to care that much???

[Wade Garrett]

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Those saying it doesn't matter that he played for Portsmouth for a long time, is considered something of a legend there and has history on social media supporting them must surely concede that it does matter to some of the fan base and that in itself will create some division. If he has a difficult patch or doesn't get results quickly he's not going to get understanding and patience in the same way that another less divisive managerial appointment would do.

Do you think he would not try his best because he played for Pompey?

I don’t.  He’s a professional not a fucking pub league player.

[Mboto Gorge]

39 minutes ago, LGTL said:

This is what we’re fucking dealing with here. Anyone wanting this cunt needs their head examining. I’d be booing the wanker the moment he walked out the tunnel. Some of us won’t forgive and won’t forget. 

He said “great day on the south coast”. He played in that game and for them it was a memorable day, as it would’ve been for us if roles were reversed,  what he said there is hardly a huge insult or disrespectful to saints fans is it? If he’d said “always a great day to smash the scummers” or something similar that mocks us personally,  I’d agree a bit more.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

Do you think he would not try his best because he played for Pompey?

I don’t.  He’s a professional not a fucking pub league player.

Exactly. 
 

I’d bet my life he will try harder and put more effort in than half the fucking wankers we’ve been “supporting” the past year. 
 

 

[benali-shorts]

I’d shake on O’Neil. Seems like one of the better options out there. 
Faux rabid nonsense to reject him due to Skate past. 

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, benali-shorts said:

I’d shake on O’Neil. Seems like one of the better options out there. 
Faux rabid nonsense to reject him due to Skate past. 

I reject him because he's a shit manager who plays shitter football. RM is a far better Manager with far more exciting and expansive football, and I don't want him back.