Tonda Eckert

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

New manager in the summer is my guess

At this rate I'll be surprised if he even lasts that long.

Another fraudulent, cheap option, yes-man appointment by the utterly clueless pricks running the club.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Selecting a  manager with zero experience just cos he won a few games in a row was never gonna be a great idea . It’s now one win from the last four and maybe reality is kicking in for a few 

[Football Special]

[Elmore Saint]

1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said:

At this rate I'll be surprised if he even lasts that long.

Another fraudulent, cheap option, yes-man appointment by the utterly clueless pricks running the club.

and there is our real problem..... we'll stay on our downward spiral of managers and players until that lot go.

[bugenhagen]

This was always going to happen. It was pretty easy to see. We had a spell where we scored on every chance, and played crap in second halves, but got away with it. That was never going to last. Today is the blueprint for the rest of the season, not the Charlton game. 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Not looking good anymore. 

What's happened to the attacking ethos. 

Really disappointing the last few games.

[Mboto Gorge]

1 hour ago, Maggie May said:

It’s clear we’re not going up under Eckert. Where do we go from here? 

We never were going up under him. only knows how to play one style and one formation. Utter waste of time having this bloke as manager, unless we are happy finishing about 14th

[LGTL]

He benefitted from not being Will Still originally. He’s nowhere near up to it. Appalling appointment. 

[Suhari]

He's not all that.

Really don't see the point of his substitutions.... they don't change our shape or approach at all.

He's turning into the Saganowski of management.

[S-Clarke]

He was appointed because he wouldn't kick up a fuss with the club selected formation, that much is clear.

He won't be here next season and will probably never be seen as a manager again.

Edited 23 hours ago by S-Clarke

[Lighthouse]

If he does come up with some new ideas, we’re going to end up fourth again.

[bpsaint]

Sports Republic strike again.

I was holding out hope that we were waiting for Farke to get the boot at Leeds which is why we waited so long to appoint full time, now that doesn’t look to be happening it seems we’re stuck with one trick Tonda for a few more months. Brilliant.

[pimpin4rizeal]

All the people that seemed to jump onboard with it being such a great idea are quiet today . Runs of form may come and go but you would hope the club where actually professional enough to select a proper experienced manager rather then doing some Jimlfixit for Tonda to become a football manager crap especially when this season is our best chance to go up 

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Sports Republic strike again.

I was holding out hope that we were waiting for Farke to get the boot at Leeds which is why we waited so long to appoint full time, now that doesn’t look to be happening it seems we’re stuck with one trick Tonda for a few more months. Brilliant.

@S-Clarke is more on the money, they wanted another kiddie/unfancied underdog grateful for their job who wouldn’t challenge Rasmus’s crazy experiments. There’s ample evidence of that.

My involvement will be very distant until SR are gone lock stock and barrel. I despise them in a way which transcends anything towards Lowe, Branfoot etc. 

[bangkoksaint]

4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

@S-Clarke is more on the money, they wanted another kiddie/unfancied underdog grateful for their job who wouldn’t challenge Rasmus’s crazy experiments. There’s ample evidence of that.

My involvement will be very distant until SR are gone lock stock and barrel. I despise them in a way which transcends anything towards Lowe, Branfoot etc. 

Absolutely Gloucester. I could have gone today and likewise on Monday and to Donny but I didn’t apply for tickets. I sometimes wonder if I’m ‘dis loyal’ but I’m not a mug and I’m fed up with throwing good money after bad to be continually let down - I’ve had decades of it. I think slowly more people will be like me and crowds will dwindle.

[Mboto Gorge]

10 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

All the people that seemed to jump onboard with it being such a great idea are quiet today . Runs of form may come and go but you would hope the club where actually professional enough to select a proper experienced manager rather then doing some Jimlfixit for Tonda to become a football manager crap especially when this season is our best chance to go up 

I had some bellend call me a “fucking clown” for suggesting tonda wasn’t the answer, after his first two wins. Wonder whether he’s online today?

[Mboto Gorge]

25 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He was appointed because he wouldn't kick up a fuss with the club selected formation, that much is clear.

He won't be here next season and will probably never be seen as a manager again.

Starting to have more and more parallels with Selles than we originally thought. The one dimensional tactics and formation, the terrible subs making us progressively worse as each game goes on, the lack of clue how to rescue a game or make positive influences and the safe dull boring cowardly football. Selles won’t get an other top 2 division job again, league one if he’s lucky, and this guy is just as limited. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[Edmonton Saint]

Have we played well for an entire game yet under This guy? 45 minutes effort and then capitulate . The writing was on the wall even during the QPR, Sheff Wed and Charlton wins. 

[O_Lord_Marian]

Spors basically said Tonda is a tactical genius when he appointed him. 

This club is set up to fail from top down.

 

 

[SaintsRoyalty]

Football really isn’t rocket science.
 

- Football teams don’t usually hire a manger with no previous experience to manage at a high level in arguably the most competitive league in the world and with the biggest prize in world football.

- Teams don’t usually replace a proven goalscorer with a young no mark with an average scoring record from a lower league.

- Teams don’t usually pick statistically the worst keeper in the country 4 seasons in a row to be their number 1.

- Teams don’t usually bring in a journeyman midfielder who’s legs have gone so much that he’s deemed not up to the walking football played in Spain.

- Teams don’t usually bring in said journeyman CM when they are fairly well stocked in CM to the point some aren’t even making the matchday squad when the glaring big hole in the team is CF and Patrick Bamford was kicking his heels waiting for the call. Seems to be doing alright for Sheffield United…

- Teams don’t usually play 5 at the back and surrender midfield week after week and season after season and manager after manager the formation never changes.

- Teams don’t usually bring in journeymen bad apples back in from the cold like Stephens, Aribo etc.

I could go on and on but despite all the mindblowing, scandalous, lunacy above, the real issue is a team’s fans don’t usually put up with this. This is where the real fault lies, us. The stadium should be empty, protests should be outside the stadium every game, their social media channels should be swarmed with negative comments from us and the owners should be scared to come within 100 miles of the city. Nothing is ever going to change under this ownership, it’s a fact and we all know it. What are we going to do about it? Can we act like a real fan base like Rangers or are we just too soft?

[Fabrice29]

56 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

All the people that seemed to jump onboard with it being such a great idea are quiet today . Runs of form may come and go but you would hope the club where actually professional enough to select a proper experienced manager rather then doing some Jimlfixit for Tonda to become a football manager crap especially when this season is our best chance to go up 

‘Runs of form come and go unless of course it’s a run of form that underlines my opinion then it’s proof of what I was saying all along.’

Edited 22 hours ago by Fabrice29

[badgerx16]

37 minutes ago, O_Lord_Marian said:

Spors basically said Tonda is a tactical genius when he appointed him. 

This club is set up to fail from top down.

 

 

Just goes to show what Spors knows.

[badgerx16]

We will finish bottom half with Tonda in charge. He will keep the gig over the summer as the club cash in on the few bankable assets it has and replaces them with cheap "potential". He will be sacked in November with Saints just above the relegation places, and be replaced with the next "thinking outside the box" appointment of somebody no-one has ever heard of.

 

[Miltonaggro]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Just goes to show what Spors knows.

Remarkably, arguably about the same as the serial wanker who appointed him, and the YTS coach he appointed. It’s basically a talent vacuum top to bottom! 

[die Mannyschaft]

Get Russell Martin back. For someone getting the team playing Brazil style football v Charlton to now totally halting the 1st half football for 2nd half nonsense is baffling. Tonda can play a high level possession football like RM did during our promotion season. Stop copying RM as it not working, get your own tactics, the one applied v Charlton.  

[die Mannyschaft]

33 minutes ago, SaintsRoyalty said:

Football really isn’t rocket science.
 

- Football teams don’t usually hire a manger with no previous experience to manage at a high level in arguably the most competitive league in the world and with the biggest prize in world football.

- Teams don’t usually replace a proven goalscorer with a young no mark with an average scoring record from a lower league.

- Teams don’t usually pick statistically the worst keeper in the country 4 seasons in a row to be their number 1.

- Teams don’t usually bring in a journeyman midfielder who’s legs have gone so much that he’s deemed not up to the walking football played in Spain.

- Teams don’t usually bring in said journeyman CM when they are fairly well stocked in CM to the point some aren’t even making the matchday squad when the glaring big hole in the team is CF and Patrick Bamford was kicking his heels waiting for the call. Seems to be doing alright for Sheffield United…

- Teams don’t usually play 5 at the back and surrender midfield week after week and season after season and manager after manager the formation never changes.

- Teams don’t usually bring in journeymen bad apples back in from the cold like Stephens, Aribo etc.

I could go on and on but despite all the mindblowing, scandalous, lunacy above, the real issue is a team’s fans don’t usually put up with this. This is where the real fault lies, us. The stadium should be empty, protests should be outside the stadium every game, their social media channels should be swarmed with negative comments from us and the owners should be scared to come within 100 miles of the city. Nothing is ever going to change under this ownership, it’s a fact and we all know it. What are we going to do about it? Can we act like a real fan base like Rangers or are we just too soft?

Saints are getting worse each game when we should be maintaining the level of football or getting better. The subs are just ridiculous coupled with no plan in 2nd half or as soon as Scienza goes off. We have just reverted to poor, uncoordinated panic possession football since a impressive run. 

[Mboto Gorge]

48 minutes ago, SaintsRoyalty said:

Football really isn’t rocket science.
 

- Football teams don’t usually hire a manger with no previous experience to manage at a high level in arguably the most competitive league in the world and with the biggest prize in world football.

- Teams don’t usually replace a proven goalscorer with a young no mark with an average scoring record from a lower league.

- Teams don’t usually pick statistically the worst keeper in the country 4 seasons in a row to be their number 1.

- Teams don’t usually bring in a journeyman midfielder who’s legs have gone so much that he’s deemed not up to the walking football played in Spain.

- Teams don’t usually bring in said journeyman CM when they are fairly well stocked in CM to the point some aren’t even making the matchday squad when the glaring big hole in the team is CF and Patrick Bamford was kicking his heels waiting for the call. Seems to be doing alright for Sheffield United…

- Teams don’t usually play 5 at the back and surrender midfield week after week and season after season and manager after manager the formation never changes.

- Teams don’t usually bring in journeymen bad apples back in from the cold like Stephens, Aribo etc.

I could go on and on but despite all the mindblowing, scandalous, lunacy above, the real issue is a team’s fans don’t usually put up with this. This is where the real fault lies, us. The stadium should be empty, protests should be outside the stadium every game, their social media channels should be swarmed with negative comments from us and the owners should be scared to come within 100 miles of the city. Nothing is ever going to change under this ownership, it’s a fact and we all know it. What are we going to do about it? Can we act like a real fan base like Rangers or are we just too soft?

Brilliant post and absolutely bang on, it’s clear for everyone to see. These owners are some of the most incompetent ever seen at any level of professional English football, and if we want our club not to drop even further down the leagues, which believe me we will under this level of incompetence, they need to be receiving some serious shit from the fans now 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

He was appointed because he wouldn't kick up a fuss with the club selected formation, that much is clear.

He won't be here next season and will probably never be seen as a manager again.

Unfortunately there is probably a lot of truth in your first point.

Many said appointing someone so inexperienced was a concern, but overlooked by our experts. A lack of backroom experience probably doesn’t help. 

But perhaps not being Gary O’Neil also worked heavily in his favour. That and the piss poor field to select from. 
 

Whilst hoping he turns it round, the five at the back is poor and the substitutions are worrying. 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, O_Lord_Marian said:

Spors basically said Tonda is a tactical genius when he appointed him. 

This club is set up to fail from top down.

 

 

Then let’s hope if the tactical genius manager (sorry, head coach) identifies positions and players he wants to improve on, Spors will listen and act on it. 
 

That’s if the head coach is permitted to have a say in the SR world. 

[influx]

Another NDA incoming 

[Willo of Whiteley]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

He was appointed because he wouldn't kick up a fuss with the club selected formation, that much is clear.

He won't be here next season and will probably never be seen as a manager again.

This entirely.

Who do we think the next chump will be to play five at the back next season?

[ally_uk]

Can see things turning toxic very quickly if things don't improve. 

How many games would you give him?

[Gloucester Saint]

26 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Can see things turning toxic very quickly if things don't improve. 

How many games would you give him?

He will just be replaced by another 30-something blank template Rasmus will control. Focus on getting rid of SR. 

[SW11_Saint]

Among many other things I worry about TE’s ability to motivate and bring some ‘blood & thunder’ to the changing room. His post match interview was like listening to a ChatGPT response… 

This is what you can lose with young modern ‘coaches’ - I’m all for a bit of changing room hair-dryer / cup throwing (balanced with tactical nous). Yet again, it is all way too ‘academic’. We’re losing to clubs like Norwich, Millwall, who you know are being sent out to “tear into these 🤬🤬🤬…” and we can’t handle it, and Tonda seemingly has no answer.

Edited 18 hours ago by SW11_Saint

[Lord Duckhunter]

Let’s not rewrite history here. The guy absolutely deserved the opportunity to finish off the season because of his results and the improvement in performances. An 18 month contract is irrelevant, if he doesn’t make the play offs, he’ll be toast. 

The improvement was driven by 4 players, Azaz, Fellowes, Leo & AA, with Downes & Jander playing a little bit better as well. The defending and keeper remained a shit show, but our attacking play was massively improved. What’s happened since is Fellowes has been out injured & has had a disjointed run, Azaz has been inconsistent & AA looks knackered to me. Leo is the only one performing anywhere near that level, so it’s no surprise we’re lacking any sort of cutting edge. The back ups are just nowhere near those guys at their best, so nobody is really capable of stepping up when those 4 are off colour. 
 

He now has to find a way to win games when those attacking players aren’t firing or aren’t available. Clearly he hasn’t got any experience to fall back on, and the weak mentality of this group of players, make it a difficult task, let’s hope he’s a quick learner. 
 

[saintant]

4 hours ago, O_Lord_Marian said:

Spors basically said Tonda is a tactical genius when he appointed him. 

This club is set up to fail from top down.

 

 

Clearly he isn't or we'd be seeing a variety of formations and different approaches to games.  Have to admit the Charlton game and then the win against Leicester sucked me into thinking we'd unearthed a new dynamic young coach but it's looking like another false dawn.

[saintant]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

We will finish bottom half with Tonda in charge. He will keep the gig over the summer as the club cash in on the few bankable assets it has and replaces them with cheap "potential". He will be sacked in November with Saints just above the relegation places, and be replaced with the next "thinking outside the box" appointment of somebody no-one has ever heard of.

 

It's a fair shout with SR in charge.

[AlexLaw76]

We were embarrassingly shit last season, largely playing 3 at the back.
 

we have been largely shit this season playing 3 at the back.

 

Remarkable how we keep stumbling on manager after manager who plays 3 at the back

[tdmickey3]

5 hours ago, LGTL said:

He benefitted from not being Will Still originally. He’s nowhere near up to it. Appalling appointment. 

Appalling 

The word that sums up everything that SR have done at SFC and it’s getting worss

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

Remarkable how we keep stumbling on manager after manager who plays 3 at the back

Funny that. Remember, if not it’s not broken, break it, then break it some more….

[Mixedkebab]

The players are mostly total scum big time helmets.

Most normal people knew we needed a tough cunt to clear the deck of the maggot pricks. Maybe this youngster Tonda can do that, but so far it’s gone as predicted, the thick fuck senior pros have too much clout. They’ve got their wish of a nipper getting the job, and now reverted back to their half arsed style.

Dubai selfie chuffnuts running the show 

 

[BotleySaint]

Tonda still has credit with me. Needs to show he can recognise the problems and fix them. And i don't think that's an overnight fix. 

I'd like to see him backed a little in the transfer window. And hopefully we can offload some of the deadwood. But that may be unrealistic.

Ultimate due to poor management prior and generally clueless ownership we are in a messy situation. But again, I don't blame Tonda for that. I hope he has the confidence to find his own voice and not just be a yes man. But we do not know what happens behind the scenes.. People just assume the worst.

[S-Clarke]

10 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Tonda still has credit with me. Needs to show he can recognise the problems and fix them. And i don't think that's an overnight fix. 

I'd like to see him backed a little in the transfer window. And hopefully we can offload some of the deadwood. But that may be unrealistic.

Ultimate due to poor management prior and generally clueless ownership we are in a messy situation. But again, I don't blame Tonda for that. I hope he has the confidence to find his own voice and not just be a yes man. But we do not know what happens behind the scenes.. People just assume the worst.

I think after 4 years of incompetence and bad decision after bad decision, the safest assumption to make is the worst one. You'd be foolish to believe there is any sort of good coming out of SR's ownership at any stage. It's inevitable they've ballsed up the manager situation again.

Edited 4 hours ago by S-Clarke

[Lee On Solent Saint]

18 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Tonda still has credit with me. Needs to show he can recognise the problems and fix them. And i don't think that's an overnight fix. 

I'd like to see him backed a little in the transfer window. And hopefully we can offload some of the deadwood. But that may be unrealistic.

Ultimate due to poor management prior and generally clueless ownership we are in a messy situation. But again, I don't blame Tonda for that. I hope he has the confidence to find his own voice and not just be a yes man. But we do not know what happens behind the scenes.. People just assume the worst.

I don't think he has the minerals to do that to be honest. His first game he brings Bazunu back in, I know McCarthy is no better but at least he tries to be a keeper. No balls to play a back four, cowardly football played at walking pace. It's almost as if SR said to him take the handbrake off until we have announced you have the job full time then go back to the club model and ride out the storm. 

[OldNick]

14 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

We were embarrassingly shit last season, largely playing 3 at the back.
 

we have been largely shit this season playing 3 at the back.

 

Remarkable how we keep stumbling on manager after manager who plays 3 at the back

Am I right in saying that the whole youth system is built on playing that way as well? Seems the club is all aboutplayingfrom thebck, when it seems the new fashion is going long a bit more

[SaintsRoyalty]

An important distinction about yesterdays game was not only are Oxford a small potatoes relegation fodder bottom 3 team but the were managerless. It’s almost beyond belief that we lost yesterday to them. Eckert simply cannot have any credits left in the bank after that and should be bumped back down to u21s before the crucial January transfer window.

We know how this story goes, he’s kept on past the transfer window closing despite us continuing to play turgid possession football in our own box and when we finally sack him the new guy has no chance to get his own players in so essentially has his arms tied behind his back. We have done this time and time again and never learn.

I think someone earlier made a very good observation on Eckert, he just makes like for like subs. That’s the only tool he has at his disposal. Not changing formations and tactics before games depending on the opponents, not changing mid game when something isn’t working, not taking of a defender for an attacker when we are losing, just taking off Downes for Romeu. He's not suddenly going to learn to have these skills, we are on a hiding to nothing with this guy. Add on top the fact he is constantly worried about saving players for the next game when we are losing the current one being played then we are facing another period of abject misery.
 

The next guy that comes in has to be an experienced old head with the freedom to tell sport republic the fuck off with their bullshit loser philosophy.

[Badger]

46 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Tonda still has credit with me. Needs to show he can recognise the problems and fix them. And i don't think that's an overnight fix. 

I'd like to see him backed a little in the transfer window. 

I hope he has the confidence to find his own voice and not just be a yes man. But we do not know what happens behind the scenes.. People just assume the worst.

Agree with you, but the three comments in bold provide quite a challenge, and will be the acid test as to whether he is going to succeed as a manager/head coach, here or elsewhere in his career. 
 

Behind the scenes is a big unknown. I wonder if the appointment of Tonda has strengthened Spors position in getting his man in place. How closely will he and Tonda work ? Will Tonda have his ear in making demands (or more likely polite requests) for positions and players he wants/needs, or are others pulling the strings ? Despite Manji’s (for one) comments I think we all fear Rasmus is the one setting the blueprint to follow. 
 

Can only hope we see progress in recruitment in January. But the SR track record does not inspire confidence. 

[saintant]

30 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Am I right in saying that the whole youth system is built on playing that way as well? Seems the club is all aboutplayingfrom thebck, when it seems the new fashion is going long a bit more

Yes, we're bucking the trend because hipster football is fast going out of fashion. Currently it's back to the swashbuckling up and at 'em type game with a big centre forward to play off and long throw-ins launched into the box. Meanwhile we play walking, tippy tappy, sideways, backwards and wonder why we're getting rolled over by supposedly inferior sides. Football is a simple game complicated by clever dicks trying to make themselves look smart and we have the biggest of them all in Ankersen. Can we get back to basics as that might just work.

[badgerx16]

14 hours ago, saintant said:

Clearly he isn't or we'd be seeing a variety of formations and different approaches to games.  Have to admit the Charlton game and then the win against Leicester sucked me into thinking we'd unearthed a new dynamic young coach but it's looking like another false dawn.

Charlton and Leicester were before he had been given the permanent appointment, and had not yet had to commit contractually to the club "philosophy".

[Badger]

12 minutes ago, SaintsRoyalty said:

…… and should be bumped back down to u21s before the crucial January transfer window.

We know how this story goes, he’s kept on past the transfer window closing despite us continuing to play turgid possession football in our own box and when we finally sack him the new guy has no chance to get his own players in so essentially has his arms tied behind his back. We have done this time and time again and never learn.

The next guy that comes in has to be an experienced old head with the freedom to tell sport republic the fuck off with their bullshit loser philosophy.

So on December 27th, you think we could get someone in before the next transfer window, in four days time !! 
 

We had something like six weeks to find a manager matching the profile you set out, and didn’t manage it . Of the names touted most had some failures and sackings on their CV, and listening to podcasts and YouTube features some of the criticisms at Carrick for example followed a familiar theme, poor substitutions, no Plan B.  Or worse still, one was Gary O’Neil. 
 

Agree we ballsed up the manager position with the appointment of Still, and then keeping the fucker too long. Unfortunately they weren’t going for a ‘war horse’ such as Mowbray, or even Farke if available. 
 

On the topic of substitutions, I don’t see them as like for like, they are always a downgrade. Largely down to recruitment rather than the manager (Still or Tonda).