Pompey vs Saints - Sunday 1200

[saintant]

46 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

That we gave been missing.  A few others got stuck in  today but we are a luxury team, like a team you would take to USA on exhibition games. You cant just play a nice passing game. Pompey will stay up as they can bundle balls in from corners and disrupt passing g teams. 

We didn't play a nice passing game for the most part. We mainly gave the ball away under little or no pressure. It's why we struggle to beat these teams. We can't pass the fucking ball to our own players for 90% of the match. 

[saintant]

4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Even when Stewart came on it didn’t work and the ball kept coming back. There must be more ways to play football than just one or the other.

There are - it's simple and is called pass and move.

[tdmickey3]

A draw is just not anywhere good enough against the bottom feeders.

We just didn’t use our superior quality anywhere near enough, to much hoof .

The players don’t seem to have any purpose or set patterns/style of play, just hoof.

Its just all a bit of a mess

This is because the coaching is hopeless.

We scored once from one of the only 3 real quality moments we produced, the other 2 were squandered by Adam “run about a lot” Armstrong 

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Am pretty glad we don't actually act like that in the main. For all their propaganda about being the best supporters in the world they are a bunch of cunts. Sky should be ashamed of themselves showing that twat Westwood. 

I think solution is quite straightforward if we play there next season they should have to close first two or three rows of the side stand as they clearly can't control themselves spitting at the facking scummers 

[ant]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

what an idiot 
 

Needs to get on the Mounjaro

I had a minor breakdown when I had to start buying 34" trousers. How do you get to that point? 😂

[Football Special]

Just now, ant said:

I had a minor breakdown when I had to start buying 34" trousers. How do you get to that point? 😂

Stewards seemed to take forever to even notice he was on the pitch which is astonishing considering his size 

[Football Special]

 

[stknowle]

8 minutes ago, Football Special said:

 

WOW. What an INTIMIDATING individual.

[Osvaldorama]

14 minutes ago, Football Special said:

 

Nonce

[S-Clarke]

A good battling effort, can't fault the commitment - but I still feel pretty frustrated. We were brought down to their level in that 2nd half, and we didn't get going. I don't think we ever had total control and we let the long-ball, scrappy game take over - which is exactly what they wanted in the 2nd half.

Once again I have serious concerns about Tondas ability (or lack of) to influence a game with substitutes, we conspired to get so much worse when he made those changes. In contrast, the skate changes actually improved them and their tactical shift changed their grip on the game. We didn't really do anything to regain any control after that, and those final 15 mins were pretty horrific from us. We shouldn't be 'holding out' against that lot.

Good effort and all, but once again we've come up against a depleted (and already poor quality) Championship side, and are scrapping around trying not to lose. 

I just want this season to end now, not that it ever truly started.

Edited yesterday at 20:11 by S-Clarke

[Patrick Bateman]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

He’ll probably be talking about football at work tomorrow like they do down there thinking he’s a proper chap. 

"Work"??

[Pamplemousse]

Just some reflections on the day.

Operationally the bubble was very smooth. I hope that if we do play each other next season however it is reconsidered; now we've got the first league meetings out of the way for 14 years, next season's matches (assuming they stay up) won't be as intense and fans can be trusted to make their own way to the ground with the appropriate police protection.

 

The game itself was scrappy, we were too direct at times, although it did work for our goal. Proud of our players for fighting and battling and for dealing with the hostile atmosphere - hopefully going forward it gives them a bit of confidence. If we can put together a run we can climb up the table but we have to start now.

Neither team deserved to lose and a draw was a fair result.

And the locals are still just as inbred as ever. Jesus christ, some of the stuff on show today in that city.

[Pamplemousse]

A few videos here showing the Saints fans' celebrations when we scored

Go to 9.25

Or 6.30 here.

[Tom & Gerry]

Well it wasn't sideways and backwards and the subs were players that a lot of people thought should start. It's not just Tonda but why do managers make so many substitutions almost at once? I know players are tired and there are only so many windows but too many changes and they can't all get to the pace of game. The keeper was looking alright until Pompey started to get a few corners. Get enough corners against us and you're guaranteed a goal. We almost start at least 1-0 down.

[Morse]

The most important thing in any local derby is not to lose, so mustn't grumble, although we should/ could have beaten them.

Surprised that the atmosphere wasn't more intense. 

Fraton Park is massively over rated. 

[Tommy Mulgrew]

Many posters on here have praised our players’ commitment in the game today.  Yes, it was better than it has been in most games this season but today’s match was our Pompey derby day ffs and for most of the time we played with less intensity than they did.  That is unacceptable and smacks of an entitled bunch of players who thought they were more skilful and would prevail.  You need to outfight opponents throughout the match and only if you do that will superior skill get you the win.

Individual moments such as the Downes tackle for the yellow card were great but where was that passion for the rest of the time?  If the goal we conceded was pushed over the line by a hand or forearm, why didn’t our captain protest loud and clear to the referee?  If it had been us who scored an equaliser like that, you can be sure the other side would have been all over the referee in an effort to have it ruled out.

We still have a team of sons-in-law; it’s not good enough.  I can accept losing to or being held to a draw by a better team but not by one that merely tries harder than we do.

Players and manager, please take note and do something about it.

[Football Special]

One for the ladies

 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

One for the ladies

 

That first one is a 'lady'

[DellBlockH]

FWIW (which isn't  much), I wasn't able to watch the game live but am relying on reports here, the highlights on Sky and the article in The end.Guardian. It seems it was a fairly even game (as you might expect from two teams in the bottom half of The Championship) but that Saints slightly edged it. We perhaps had more chances over the course of the game but were under the cosh towards the end. Like almost every other game this season.

[Zorba]

2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Fat inbred cunt

They don’t do themselves any favours, do they?

[die Mannyschaft]

3 hours ago, Football Special said:

It was absolutely brilliant, skates are easy to wind up. They cant handle anything you throw at them!!

[die Mannyschaft]

2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Fat inbred cunt

That's why the pitch was uneven and difficult fir Saints to play on the deck and had to go long. Probably damaged the under soil heating ducts. 

[Thripp87]

I think when Downes piled in and caused the melee 100 yards from danger it turned the game.

We looked good at 1-0 for 10-15 mins, well in control and Fratton was worried. That cameo got them and their players more up for it. You could feel a bit more energy.

All in all a fair result between two poor sides. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

Thought we outclassed them and the only way the inbreds could get a point was to cheat by hand balling it into the net. That said, AA wasted his chances and we failed to work their dodgy defence and keeper anywhere near enough.

[CheshireSaint]

I thought it very odd that before Pompey had made any changes, and we were pretty comfortable first 15 mins of second half, Tonda blinked first in relation to subs. I'd have thought at that point, given we were leading, that any manager would wait for the losing opposition to sub first. Then he can weight that sub / formation change, and react accordingly. Why did Tonda play his hand first? Surely no one was knackered at the 60 min point? That last 20 mins was embarrassing and Tonda should be sacked for that alone. Real Madrid they are not. 

[Kenilworthy1959]

12 hours ago, Football Special said:

I think solution is quite straightforward if we play there next season they should have to close first two or three rows of the side stand as they clearly can't control themselves spitting at the facking scummers 

That is a very good suggestion. The stadium is not a safe place to play football as it stands.

[Appy]

3 minutes ago, CheshireSaint said:

I thought it very odd that before Pompey had made any changes, and we were pretty comfortable first 15 mins of second half, Tonda blinked first in relation to subs. I'd have thought at that point, given we were leading, that any manager would wait for the losing opposition to sub first. Then he can weight that sub / formation change, and react accordingly. Why did Tonda play his hand first? Surely no one was knackered at the 60 min point? That last 20 mins was embarrassing and Tonda should be sacked for that alone. Real Madrid they are not. 

It’s because he’s a bad manager 

[tdmickey3]

Just now, CheshireSaint said:

I thought it very odd that before Pompey had made any changes, and we were pretty comfortable first 15 mins of second half, Tonda blinked first in relation to subs. I'd have thought at that point, given we were leading, that any manager would wait for the losing opposition to sub first. Then he can weight that sub / formation change, and react accordingly. Why did Tonda play his hand first? Surely no one was knackered at the 60 min point? That last 20 mins was embarrassing and Tonda should be sacked for that alone. Real Madrid they are not. 

Because he is clueless and the subs are pre planned, he has no idea how to manage the game as it unfolds.... should have never been appointed...

[EssEffCee]

9 hours ago, Thripp87 said:

I think when Downes piled in and caused the melee 100 yards from danger it turned the game.

We looked good at 1-0 for 10-15 mins, well in control and Fratton was worried. That cameo got them and their players more up for it. You could feel a bit more energy.

All in all a fair result between two poor sides. 

Agree with this massively. For all the people loving the Downes tackle I thought it was a daft thing to do at that point in the game.

It was the only part of the game where we looked to have a semblance of control and were knocking the ball around relatively comfortably having just taken the lead.

All of a sudden that happened plus a couple of other incidents with us getting involved in pushing and shoving and it gave both their players and crowd a huge boost and changed the momentum.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

Because he is clueless and the subs are pre planned, he has no idea how to manage the game as it unfolds.... should have never been appointed...

I think the pre-planned subs are a thing for us at the moment. I really do believe he's listening too much to the sports science and analyst guys. 

[EssEffCee]

12 hours ago, Football Special said:

I think solution is quite straightforward if we play there next season they should have to close first two or three rows of the side stand as they clearly can't control themselves spitting at the facking scummers 

The thing is while it's always worse against us that stand is always a problem in any big game they play.

The media never mention it though so they get away with it and therefore it'll continue.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, EssEffCee said:

Agree with this massively. For all the people loving the Downes tackle I thought it was a daft thing to do at that point in the game.

It was the only part of the game where we looked to have a semblance of control and were knocking the ball around relatively comfortably having just taken the lead.

All of a sudden that happened plus a couple of other incidents with us getting involved in pushing and shoving and it gave both their players and crowd a huge boost and changed the momentum.

We ended up being dragged down to their level in the end. The only way they were getting anything was making it a scrap and not a football match. For all their media propaganda they were absolutely shite. We should have won comfortably but became too interested in petty squabbles.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, EssEffCee said:

The thing is while it's always worse against us that stand is always a problem in any big game they play.

The media never mention it though so they get away with it and therefore it'll continue.

Yep. Swept under the carpet because they are the bested supporters in the world.

[rallyboy]

Is it fair to say that all the pre-match pompey hype about how our players would freeze, petrified in the pressure cauldron of world-beating Fortress Fratton was the opposite of what happened?

Several players who haven't landed a proper tackle in months found the beast within - rather than intimidating, all the spitting and abuse just fired them up so we showed way more commitment than we have in some recent sorry defeats.

My fear was a pathetic no-show, it was nice to see some fight.

[die Mannyschaft]

13 hours ago, saintant said:

There are - it's simple and is called pass and move.

That's what we did very well v Charlton.  Why cant players replicate that any more? Or was it a one off as Charlton just made it easy? 

[Killers Knee]

Referee had a great game, really allowed the game to flow, allowed the 50/50's, a bit of afters and all the other great parts of the sport that have been in decline since the heyday of the 1980's.  For a fleeting moment, football once again looked like a man's game.

[SouSaint]

I'm surprised to see Peretz get a free pass for their goal. Very weak goalkeeping, he has looked suspect from corners in every single game he has played for us so far. 

Disappointing result yesterday, could probably be happier with it if we didn't stink the place out for the home fixture against them. 

[Wade Garrett]

34 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I think the pre-planned subs are a thing for us at the moment. I really do believe he's listening too much to the sports science and analyst guys. 

That’s because he’s one of them.  The whole coaching team has very little in the way of playing experience.

Geeky Spors gives the job to his geeky mate and it’s a pile of shit.

[Football Special]

37 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Yep. Swept under the carpet because they are the bested supporters in the world.

There was at least a couple of times their fans had hands on our players, virtually no stewards along the front,  I'd say the Skates are quite happy for them to intimidate opposition players as much as possible taking throw ins etc, just put netting over front three rows and problem solved, Saints should have made more of it so the ref would have to include in his report 

[Football Special]

37 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Is it fair to say that all the pre-match pompey hype about how our players would freeze, petrified in the pressure cauldron of world-beating Fortress Fratton was the opposite of what happened?

Several players who haven't landed a proper tackle in months found the beast within - rather than intimidating, all the spitting and abuse just fired them up so we showed way more commitment than we have in some recent sorry defeats.

My fear was a pathetic no-show, it was nice to see some fight.

Completely agree, stood up and matched them, ref was letting it all go so we had to 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

There was at least a couple of times their fans had hands on our players, virtually no stewards along the front,  I'd say the Skates are quite happy for them to intimidate opposition players as much as possible taking throw ins etc, just put netting over front three rows and problem solved, Saints should have made more of it so the ref would have to include in his report 

Yeah. Agree with that. It does seem to be thing down there. Scienza really should have brought it to the ref's attention. Hopefully he might make mention of the lighter that was thrown at Wellington whilst he was taking a throw in

[Jack]

1 hour ago, CheshireSaint said:

I thought it very odd that before Pompey had made any changes, and we were pretty comfortable first 15 mins of second half, Tonda blinked first in relation to subs. I'd have thought at that point, given we were leading, that any manager would wait for the losing opposition to sub first. Then he can weight that sub / formation change, and react accordingly. Why did Tonda play his hand first? Surely no one was knackered at the 60 min point? That last 20 mins was embarrassing and Tonda should be sacked for that alone. Real Madrid they are not. 

Scienza looked out on his feet after an hour as usual, maybe from running the length of the pitch to give it to the skates and celebrate with our lot. Completely justified but it’s weird that he hasn’t got much of an engine. But yeah I feel like we were just finding a bit of rhythm and the 5 mins or so after the goal was the longest spell of keeping the ball on the deck and playing to feet that we had. Subs definitely seemed to disrupt us and we got dragged back into a game of hoofball. 
 

Such a shame, that was a great opportunity to beat them down there in the league and we butchered it again. They’re shocking but work hard, hopefully that won’t be enough to keep them up. 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

36 minutes ago, Football Special said:

There was at least a couple of times their fans had hands on our players, virtually no stewards along the front,  I'd say the Skates are quite happy for them to intimidate opposition players as much as possible taking throw ins etc, just put netting over front three rows and problem solved, Saints should have made more of it so the ref would have to include in his report 

They constantly get away with it. Spitting on someone is classed as assault, regularly happens down that side. As you say, enough to close at least the front rows of that stand. And they do love a TV camera.

Didn’t they have a lot of issues when Sunderland done them in the playoffs, there was that picture of a fat freak climbing over the wall, looked a lot like ol’ Jimmy-five-bellies on the pitch yesterday

[wild-saint]

14 hours ago, ant said:

I had a minor breakdown when I had to start buying 34" trousers. How do you get to that point? 😂

i take it you are a woman? 

[warsash saint]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Because he is clueless and the subs are pre planned, he has no idea how to manage the game as it unfolds.... should have never been appointed...

If only you had mentioned it before!

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

Is it just me or did TCWTB look grubbier than ever yesterday? Could almost smell him through the TV. I felt sorry for the people in an even larger radius of him than usual.

[tdmickey3]

10 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

If only you had mentioned it before!

 I have to keep repeating it until the clapping seals like you realise it.

Hope this helps you understand but I doubt it.

[VectisSaint]

1 hour ago, Jack said:

Scienza looked out on his feet after an hour as usual, maybe from running the length of the pitch to give it to the skates and celebrate with our lot. Completely justified but it’s weird that he hasn’t got much of an engine. But yeah I feel like we were just finding a bit of rhythm and the 5 mins or so after the goal was the longest spell of keeping the ball on the deck and playing to feet that we had. Subs definitely seemed to disrupt us and we got dragged back into a game of hoofball. 
 

Such a shame, that was a great opportunity to beat them down there in the league and we butchered it again. They’re shocking but work hard, hopefully that won’t be enough to keep them up. 

Scienza went off injured, he had been receiving treatment just before but hobbled off. Hopefully its not too bad, possibly just cramp, but didn't look too good. Certain it was not a planned sub, probably brought the Stewart sub forward a bit to coincide so that they had one more sub window left (which they didn't use of course). We were well in control for 5 or 6 minutes after the 2nd pair of subs, they scored completely against the run of play when were were comfortable, don't think the subs disrupted us too much at all to be frank, for a change. Azaz had been completly ineffective (apart of course from the assist and the superb through ball for Armstrong in the first half) and Matsuki was struggling with Ogilvie, Fellowes and Stewart were OK when they first came on. It was only after the goal that we went to shit, but to be honest we never really loked like conceding a second for all their huffing and puffing. 

[Chez]

57 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Didn’t they have a lot of issues when Sunderland done them in the playoffs, there was that picture of a fat freak climbing over the wall, looked a lot like ol’ Jimmy-five-bellies on the pitch yesterday

[Appy]

None of the Skates’ “chants” have any words do they? 
 

Just noises and saying “Portsmouth”