Oxford 2-1 Saints - Match Thread

[OttawaSaint]

6 minutes ago, AllyD said:

Instantly we blame Bazanu! Always must have a scapegoat …. Redmond, Stephens now Bazunu!

Yeah, a bit unfair...Redmond would've saved those 2 shots...

[Football Special]

10 minutes ago, saintant said:

Let's make no bones about this - Oxford were fucking useless and we've managed to gift wrap them 3 of the easiest points they'll get all season. This team of ours continues to have a really soft underbelly. Possession with zero purpose and players wandering around making no effort to show for the ball between the lines. Forget a play-off place this lot are heading where they deserve - lower table obscurity and the fans deserve a lot better. For the love of God bring in some physical units in January to give us some fight because these midget weaklings are as soft as shit.

All true. 

Blackburn 2 v 1 Saints 

Norwich 2 v 1 Saints 

Oxford 2 v 1 Saints 

Pompey ? v ? Saints 

[Micky]

7 minutes ago, AllyD said:

Unbelievable blaming Bazunu for that goal when the forward went through Romeu and then handballed it. Some people have an agenda and it is pathetic support!

My 6 year old grandson could've gone through Romeu, he's meant to be the wall, the ball can go past, the player can go past, but never both.  That's his job and he failed miserably. 

[S-Clarke]

A fair few called it, it's playing out exactly as we knew it would do.

Appoint an inexperienced kid after a purple patch, and this is what happens.

We have lost 3 or 4 on the bounce away from home, against some god-awful horrific football teams. It's not good enough.

He has no idea what to do, although part of me doesn't believe he's allowed to truly put his own swing on things.

Where are all the players now after all the sound bites prior appointment? ''He makes it so clear for us to play''  ''his instructions are so clear'' - are they so clear now you bunch of whining pussies? The club are the worst. Driven by propaganda that they hope the masses swallow up. I think they'll be in for a surprise, because we're still not accepting this.

The only way out of this loop is new ownership, that is 100% the fact here. That can't happen though as it's so much easier said than done, there's no shareholding or way to force owners out apart from a constant barrage against them for years. That's all we can do. We will very likely slip further down the leagues, but it's the only way we can rid ourselves of this lot. 

They've destroyed an establish PL club to the point that a lot of us won't ever see us in the PL again in our lifetimes.

Edited 5 hours ago by S-Clarke

[Big M]

And so it plays out. We'll lose fellows, scienza, and then we're done,there won't be money to spend and next season well be a very average squad in the championship for a long long time me thinks. No where to go from here.The mindset will simply be about staying in the championship and avoiding relegation to L1. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

These bunch of cunts got Will Still the sack & they’re going to get Tonda the sack as well.

They don’t fucking care, Harwood-Bellend waving his arms about, shouting, showing “passion”, but an atrocious defender. “Arma” (stupid fucking name), needing 4 chances to bury one. Downes, fucking poser, fairy. Even the better ones are slipping into the Southampton way, Jander minces about without shooting, Azaz pony, Leo doesn’t have an end product and fades the longer the game goes on.
 

As for Baz, he’s a fucking joke now. When is he actually going to make a decent save. I don’t care what anybody says, a few Championship keepers save the first, and most save the second. 

 

When we need to roll their sleeves up and win ugly, they don’t fucking want to. They’re going to get battered up the road….

[die Mannyschaft]

20 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Special shout out to Romeu who is even less mobile than you can think possible. 

Just abject stuff all round

Unbelievable sub, the bloke need fitness in leaque 1, get him loaned out for 3 months. We are playing with 10 if he is on. Then the subs so 9

[Doctoroncall]

6 minutes ago, Badger said:

Normally I agree with a lot of your posts but don't agree with that part of your mini-tantrum. Players and SR have a proven track record of being cunts, yes, but i'm not sure how you reach that conclusion re the manager. 

But for me, coming after the totally wooden Still, and dislikeable egotistical bellend in 2023 onwards,  Tonda has been a welcome change. Job may be too soon for him as many suspect but I'm hoping he sorts it.  Personally I'm not convinced any of the 'bigger 'names, already with a failure against their name (such as Carrick or Solskjaer for example) would be doing better. 

There are some worrying duds in our squad, and hope January brings some changes, but I'm certainly not on the managers back at this point. 

You’re right, The manager (head coach), is the least of our problems. It will take another season at least to turn this around.
 

i Cannot see us making the playoffs unless there is a good window and injured players come back for all the second half of the season games. There is a need to change tactical elements rather than personnel. 

[bpsaint]

1 point from 10 man Coventry and Oxford is an utter embarrassment. You just knew once Tonda got the job full time it would all go to shit and he’d get found out. Honestly this fucking club, can’t stand it, so many plodding cunts in that side i’d happily never see pull on a Saints shirt ever again. Useless fucking Manning, can’t attack , can’t defend. I’d take him getting injured if I never had to look at his dopey face again. THB shouting at everyone when he’s just as dogshit as the rest, but escapes the flack Stephens gets somehow.
 

Oh and Romeu, imaging chanting his name when he’s so average. I swear it goes to shit every time he gets subbed on. His legs were going when we got rid before, he wasn’t the catalyst for our downturn in form when he left it was coincidence, should never have bought him back into the fold.

Edited 5 hours ago by bpsaint

[Lighthouse]

Cheer up guys, at least we’re batting well in the Ashes.

[Football Special]

12 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Sack him. 

When everyone was saying give him the job after 4 wins I said does that mean he gets the sack if we lose 4? 

Ok we haven't done that but point stands, stupid appointment with no long term strategy 

He's got no experience as a manager and virtually no one with that alongside him, playing stupid football and being found out time and time again 

[Give it to Ron]

1 minute ago, Big M said:

And so it plays out. We'll lose fellows, scienza, and then we're done,there won't be money to spend and next season well be a very average squad in the championship for a long long time me thinks. No where to go from here.The mindset will simply be about staying in the championship and avoiding relegation to L1. 

Look at the top 11 I think only 1 has parachute payments. 
it’s just we are absolute shite in game management and subs

 

[die Mannyschaft]

2 minutes ago, Big M said:

And so it plays out. We'll lose fellows, scienza, and then we're done,there won't be money to spend and next season well be a very average squad in the championship for a long long time me thinks. No where to go from here.The mindset will simply be about staying in the championship and avoiding relegation to L1. 

Totally agree, got some wins and out of bottom 3 and we are just targeting 48 points. 

[OttawaSaint]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Jander minces about without shooting

He's doing my fucking nut in. Had a few good looks today for a shot and kept trying scoops, little flicks etc. Just fucking belt it. We see enough what happens when the oppo do it.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

A fair few called it, it's playing out exactly as we knew it would do.

Appoint an inexperienced kid after a purple patch, and this is what happens.

We have lost 3 or 4 on the bounce away from home, against some god-awful horrific football teams. It's not good enough.

He has no idea what to do, although part of me doesn't believe he's allowed to truly put his own swing on things.

Where are all the players now after all the sound bites prior appointment? ''He makes it so clear for us to play''  ''his instructions are so clear'' - are they so clear now you bunch of whining pussies? The club are the worst. Driven by propaganda that they hope the masses swallow up. I think they'll be in for a surprise, because we're still not accepting this.

The only way out of this loop is new ownership, that is 100% the fact here. That can't happen though as it's so much easier said than done, there's no shareholding or way to force owners out apart from a constant barrage against them for years. That's all we can do. We will very likely slip further down the leagues, but it's the only way we can rid ourselves of this lot. 

They've destroyed an establish PL club to the point that a lot of us won't ever see us in the PL again in our lifetimes.

Agree with all of that, just hope the skates get dragged down with Saints this year. Relegation/administration only way out. We’ve been there before. Not scared of it.

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, bpsaint said:

1 point from 10 man Coventry and Oxford is an utter embarrassment. You just knew once Tonda got the job full time it would all go to shit and he’d get found out. Honestly this fucking club, can’t stand it, so many plodding cunts in that side i’d happily never see pull on a Saints shirt ever again. Useless fucking Manning, can’t attack , can’t defend. I’d take him getting injured if I never had to look at his dopey face again. 
 

Oh and Romeu, imaging chanting his name when he’s so average. Mi swear it goes to shit every time he gets subbed on. His legs were going when we got rid before, he wasn’t the catalyst for our downturn in form when he left it was coincidence, should never have bought him back into the fold.

He had one approach.

Hope the opposition allow THB to receive the ball in space, hope they allow Armstrong to come deep without pressure. That was it.

Once the opposition close down Armstrong, shut down Jander and Leo then it's all pretty much done and dusted. There is nothing else to our game under this kid pretend-manager.

[Vancouver Saint]

8 minutes ago, AllyD said:

Unbelievable blaming Bazunu for that goal when the forward went through Romeu and then handballed it. Some people have an agenda and it is pathetic support!

I'm sorry, but it's unbelievable that people are still defending Bazunu. If it were a one-off thing I'd forgive him, and I don't believe anyone sets out trying to be bad - but Bazunu is the complete opposite of a commanding goalkeeper that gives you confidence at the back.
He has no command of anything except the six-yard sideways pass to a defender. 
He doesn't come for crosses. Can't command his six-yard box for corners. Lets shots go through him, past him or under him with frightening consistency.
His finger-tip last minute save against Wrexham in the first game was a one-off. You just know as a Saints fan that when you need your keeper to make a big save to win the points...Bazunu isn't going to do it.
Their first goal today was well struck but a better goalie saves that without too much fuss.
WE NEED A BETTER GOALKEEPER! End of.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 minute ago, OttawaSaint said:

We see enough what happens when the oppo do it.

To be fair, if you look up and see Baz in nets, anyone would have a dig….

[die Mannyschaft]

2 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Look at the top 11 I think only 1 has parachute payments. 
it’s just we are absolute shite in game management and subs

 

From the past 10 seasons, the average points required usually range between 45-47 points to avoid relegation.

This is Saints target. Its like we are getting too many points so take best players off and try to lose game. 

[Football Special]

13 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Eh? We had control of the vast majority of the game and the better chances.

‘Deserved nothing’ is an utterly ridiculous thing to come out with.

Is controlled the game by passing it around in our own half? Same old stupid tactics and same old stupid mistakes 

[Wade Garrett]

16 minutes ago, AllyD said:

Instantly we blame Bazanu! Always must have a scapegoat …. Redmond, Stephens now Bazunu!

They’re not scapegoats, they’re shite.

[Gloucester Saint]

15 minutes ago, AllyD said:

Instantly we blame Bazanu! Always must have a scapegoat …. Redmond, Stephens now Bazunu!

I blame these people https://www.rasmusankersen.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragan_Šolak_(businessman)

They are in ‘charge’ so can’t be called scapegoats really. 

 

 

[OneMrsWallace]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He had one approach.

Hope the opposition allow THB to receive the ball in space, hope they allow Armstrong to come deep without pressure. That was it.

Once the opposition close down Armstrong, shut down Jander and Leo then it's all pretty much done and dusted. There is nothing else to our game under this kid pretend-manager.

It was obvious their temp manager had worked out how to beat our system and TE is too inexperienced to realise and make an adjustment to at least try and throw them off their plan. I think we're really in trouble now. 

[James]

We are not going up with Eckert. Appointing a 32 year old with no experience who enjoyed a couple of decent results, mixed in with some worrying signs against teams that were better organised, was always going to be a huge gamble. That plus another season of Baz in goal and Arma up top means we are going nowhere. 

[Zorba]

Just now, Wade Garrett said:

They’re not scapegoats, they’re shite.

They’re very naughty boys!

[S-Clarke]

14 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Eh? We had control of the vast majority of the game and the better chances.

‘Deserved nothing’ is an utterly ridiculous thing to come out with.

We were utter, utter shit for the entirety of that game. Did they deserve to win? Probably not.

Did we deserve to win? Absolutely not.

Am I surprised we lost? Playing that way, no. 

If we want to spend 80 mins fart arsing with the ball across the back 4 then we're not going to achieve anything at any level of football. It provides the illusion of domination when all it is is absolute wimpy football played by players who are scared of their own shadows, coached by a manager who has no idea if his mum has ironed his top for tomorrow.

[James]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

They’re not scapegoats, they’re shite.

Indeed, they are scapegoats for a reason. Bazunu is rubbish, end of. Always has been, always will be. Most of the fan base can see it, it’s a shame the ownership can’t. 

[Mboto Gorge]

4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

To be fair, if you look up and see Baz in nets, anyone would have a dig….

I honestly believe this is why Short had them shooting on sight from anywhere against us today. The entire league knows he’s the worst keeper in the division. Can’t blame them 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

We were utter, utter shit for the entirety of that game. Did they deserve to win? Probably not.

Did we deserve to win? Absolutely not.

Am I surprised we lost? Playing that way, no. 

If we want to spend 80 mins fart arsing with the ball across the back 4 then we're not going to achieve anything at any level of football. It provides the illusion of domination when all it is is absolute wimpy football played by players who are scared of their own shadows, coached by a manager who has no idea if his mum has ironed his top for tomorrow.

Don’t waste your breath, Jimmy is one of a small band of supporters who are still sipping the SR/Rasmus Koolaid on the corporate formation, style, etc. 

[James]

Just now, Mboto Gorge said:

I honestly believe this is why Short had them shooting on sight from anywhere against us today. The entire league knows he’s the worst keeper in the division. Can’t blame them 

100%. We are also a side that’s prone to games where we can’t take our chances. If Baz throws one in, which lets fact it he usually does, then any team in the league has a chance of points against us.

[S-Clarke]

19 minutes ago, AllyD said:

Instantly we blame Bazanu! Always must have a scapegoat …. Redmond, Stephens now Bazunu!

I wouldn't say Redmond was a scapegoat really, but Stephens and Bazunu are ridiculed because they are shite. End of. 

They are both horrific players who do not deserve to be playing at a club or our size earning what they're earning. 

As soon as we gave Stephens a new contract in the summer you knew it was game over as far as the season was concerned, as we still weren't making big boy decisions.

[Football Special]

1 minute ago, Mboto Gorge said:

I honestly believe this is why Short had them shooting on sight from anywhere against us today. The entire league knows he’s the worst keeper in the division. Can’t blame them 

100% that's the case. They know he has crisp packet hands and any shot on target statistically has a good chance of going in 

[redkeith]

I hoped that Romeu would still have enough about him to stop the break aways, apparently not. 

We need a pn alternative on the bench, if Azaz is having an off day, not Aribo. Maybe give the Japanese lad a go. 

Desperately need a striker and keeper on loan . 

Nobody, other than maybe apart from Robinson had good game 

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, James said:

We are not going up with Eckert. Appointing a 32 year old with no experience who enjoyed a couple of decent results, mixed in with some worrying signs against teams that were better organised, was always going to be a huge gamble. That plus another season of Baz in goal and Arma up top means we are going nowhere. 

We are not going up without him. It's not just on the manager - our squad is far too lightweight to compete. Match after match we get outmuscled all over the pitch. I'm sick of saying it. Spors claimed he was going to sort out the lack of physical presence but he hasn't. You will not win football matches with a team full of weak, half-hearted fairies who get knocked off the ball by a slight breeze. Stop buying midgets and start buying warriors with pace and power.

[Fabrice29]

7 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He had one approach.

Hope the opposition allow THB to receive the ball in space, hope they allow Armstrong to come deep without pressure. That was it.

Once the opposition close down Armstrong, shut down Jander and Leo then it's all pretty much done and dusted. There is nothing else to our game under this kid pretend-manager.

This continues to be a player profile problem not a manager problem. We can go through another manager and find ourselves stumped for alternative options again if people like. 

[SW11_Saint]

2 minutes ago, James said:

100%. We are also a side that’s prone to games where we can’t take our chances. If Baz throws one in, which lets fact it he usually does, then any team in the league has a chance of points against us.

Isn’t McCarthy the one who usually ‘throws one in’? 

[Mboto Gorge]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

I wouldn't say Redmond was a scapegoat really, but Stephens and Bazunu are ridiculed because they are shite. End of. 

They are both horrific players who do not deserve to be playing at a club or our size earning what they're earning. 

As soon as we gave Stephens a new contract in the summer you knew it was game over as far as the season was concerned, as we still weren't making big boy decisions.

The one key constant of all of these ridiculous situations the club finds themselves In, is our owners. I’m willing to bet anything that we will be in league one before the prem as our next change of division 

[S-Clarke]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

This continues to be a player profile problem not a manager problem. We can go through another manager and find ourselves stumped for alternative options again if people like. 

It's an ownership profile problem, let's cut to the real truth of the matter.

They're the ones who have lumbered us with shite, they are the ones who keep cycling us through managers and DOF's like it's a fashionable activity. 

It's all on the ownership. Unless they do one, all we end up doing is re-arranging the deckchairs.

[Toussaint]

12 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

They’re not scapegoats, they’re shite.

Shitegoats

Edited 5 hours ago by Toussaint

[Hawkswood]

24 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

You should try watching it in minus 45 degrees at a ground with less atmosphere than the moon 

No ta, I'd rather not. Which is why I dont. Stopped it years ago.

[Gary R76]

Just now, James said:

Indeed, they are scapegoats for a reason. Bazunu is rubbish, end of. Always has been, always will be. Most of the fan base can see it, it’s a shame the ownership can’t. 

I have never seen such an inept bunch off players in my life

A goalkeeper who cannot position himself to save shots

A back five who have no clue what so ever and can not header a ball more then 10 ft. , Manning is a absolute joke.

Midfield is okay 

Armstrong tries his best and Scienza is wasted playing in the middle, And Robertson is absolute dire 

 

[Hawkswood]

8 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

I honestly believe this is why Short had them shooting on sight from anywhere against us today. The entire league knows he’s the worst keeper in the division. Can’t blame them 

Was thinking the same thing when the commentator mentioned it

[Mboto Gorge]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

It's an ownership profile problem, let's cut to the real truth of the matter.

They're the ones who have lumbered us with shite, they are the ones who keep cycling us through managers and DOF's like it's a fashionable activity. 

It's all on the ownership. Unless they do one, all we end up doing is re-arranging the deckchairs.

Spot on. At the end of the day, think of the frustrations we have about players, managers , recruitment, staff etc - it all stems directly from decisions made by our owners. Should be an obvious thing to identify but we are going to be forever in this vicious cycle of being exasperated by various aspects of how this club is being run and performing, until they fuck off

Edited 4 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[SW11_Saint]

1 minute ago, Gary R76 said:

I have never seen such an inept bunch off players in my life

A goalkeeper who cannot position himself to save shots

A back five who have no clue what so ever and can not header a ball more then 10 ft. , Manning is a absolute joke.

Midfield is okay 

Armstrong tries his best and Scienza is wasted playing in the middle, And Robertson is absolute dire 

 

Armstrong didn’t look like he was trying today… Who is Robertson? 

[Katalinic]

6 minutes ago, saintant said:

We are not going up without him. It's not just on the manager - our squad is far too lightweight to compete. Match after match we get outmuscled all over the pitch. I'm sick of saying it. Spors claimed he was going to sort out the lack of physical presence but he hasn't. You will not win football matches with a team full of weak, half-hearted fairies who get knocked off the ball by a slight breeze. Stop buying midgets and start buying warriors with pace and power.

This is so true

[Harry_SFC]

I look forward to the club buying the required players then 👍

[die Mannyschaft]

12 minutes ago, Vancouver Saint said:

I'm sorry, but it's unbelievable that people are still defending Bazunu. If it were a one-off thing I'd forgive him, and I don't believe anyone sets out trying to be bad - but Bazunu is the complete opposite of a commanding goalkeeper that gives you confidence at the back.
He has no command of anything except the six-yard sideways pass to a defender. 
He doesn't come for crosses. Can't command his six-yard box for corners. Lets shots go through him, past him or under him with frightening consistency.
His finger-tip last minute save against Wrexham in the first game was a one-off. You just know as a Saints fan that when you need your keeper to make a big save to win the points...Bazunu isn't going to do it.
Their first goal today was well struck but a better goalie saves that without too much fuss.
WE NEED A BETTER GOALKEEPER! End of.

We had a £27m keep and played worst football in Saints history. We could have 2 keepers and still lose. Saints problem is that we play to draw not win. Then take off best players so playing to lose. Just ridiculous tactics. Its almost as though we want to be in bottom 6 not top 6

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, SW11_Saint said:

Armstrong didn’t look like he was trying today… Who is Robertson? 

Made good jam and mincemeat as I remember it.

[saintstowin]

That was a 2-1 defeat so early on it's a shame I'm not a betting man. Even before the first goal, but absolutely nailed on at half time. 

It's unacceptable to have more than 2/3 of the ball and have fewer shots on target than them. And the fact that only 1/3 of the many passes were forward says it all.

The only time we looked dangerous was when we had some bottle and played quickly. I just don't know why this seems so hard to do consistently. 

Scienza was frustrating at times today but subbed so early. Azaz had a stinker. I know he's come up with some goals etc but he has no control of games. Too many well off it today.

Pretty unacceptable defeat all things considered.

[Hawkswood]

Just dont understand the manager today. Scienza looking our most likely outlet, then he subs him off. Fellows, quiet for most of the match, starts taking the game to them, then he gets subbed off. I just dont know what he was watching or thinking unless, and this is my only hope, he knows something about the players that I dont, ie carrying a knock. Other than that Im absolutely baffled.

Also, as much as there are several defenders who are awful, no one irritates me as much as Downes. He just will not look for a forward pass. Its so so agrivatating. And cowardly.