New Manager Thread

[Saint Fan CaM]

3 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I tell you one thing about Jack having met him etc he may well be a mediocre polayer (he doesn't claim to be anything special) but one thing I can guarantee about him is that he cares passionately about the club (witness the Wembley tears) and always gives his all (even if you don't think that good enough). There's a lot wrong with the club from top to bottom but if I had ti climb into a WW1 tremch JS is still the sort of bloke I would want in there with me.

You may well be right about Stephens - he is after all just one of the products of SR’s inept management of the footballing side of the business. He can’t help the fact that he’s been thrust into the spotlight of Captaining collectively a group of individuals that are not capable of operating as a team at the level expected given the cost of the squad. Like the successive Managers he’s worked for, he can’t be held responsible for the strategic and tactical mismanagement we've witnessed. He’s just an employee way out of his depth.

So, it’s no good telling supporters they’re wrong blaming Stephens (or any other player) - they don’t pay to witness SFC management get decisions wrong time and time again - they pay to watch a decent football side…to see a cohesive team on the pitch. So when that doesn’t happen it’s the players on the pitch who will get blamed - that’s part and parcel of football. Stephens accepted the CB job - accepted the Captaincy - and must accept that the current state of affairs at SFC is completely unacceptable and he is partly culpable. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Edited yesterday at 12:05 by Saint Fan CaM
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[Midfield_General]

3 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I tell you one thing about Jack having met him etc he may well be a mediocre polayer (he doesn't claim to be anything special) but one thing I can guarantee about him is that he cares passionately about the club (witness the Wembley tears) and always gives his all (even if you don't think that good enough). There's a lot wrong with the club from top to bottom but if I had ti climb into a WW1 tremch JS is still the sort of bloke I would want in there with me.

Alternatively, to run with WW1 analogy, Stephens is the sort of bloke who wouldn’t pay attention properly when the platoon were being instructed on the dangers of no man’s land, and would then step on a land mine and blow up half his own men by accident. He might not have meant to do it, but it was still entirely avoidable, completely his fault and the disastrous result is the same. 

Edited yesterday at 12:13 by Midfield_General
Edited double post from before - something weird going on

[S-Clarke]

Just now, Midfield_General said:

Alternatively, to run with WW1 analogy, Stephens is the sort of bloke who wouldn’t pay attention properly when the platoon were being instructed on the dangers of no man’s land, and would then step on a land mine and blow up half his own men by accident. He might not have meant to do it, but it was still entirely avoidable, completely his fault and the disastrous result is the same. 

*no-manning-land.

Someone coined that on here, great phrase.

[Teamsaint1]

1 minute ago, Midfield_General said:

Alternatively, to run with WW1 analogy, Stephens is the sort of bloke who wouldn’t pay attention properly when the platoon were being instructed on the dangers of no man’s land, and would then step on a land mine and blow up half his own men by accident. He might not have meant to do it, but it was still entirely avoidable, completely his fault and the disastrous result is the same. 

We won the playoffs with JS playing all three games. You might say despite, but plenty of teams achieve promotion with some mediocre players.

Part of the problem ( and there are many) is  rank amateurish defending, EG Downes at Boro where he completely failed on some simple marking when under no other pressure. 

If we could defend anything at anything like the  decent standard that this group of defenders ought to be able to achieve, we would be picking up a hell of a lot more points than we are.

[Sheaf Saint]

25 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

They may give 100% “on the pitch” (although I’m not convinced), 

Manning certainly doesn't. 

I doubt it's on the highlights but there was a moment in the Boro game where he was, as usual, out of position and had two oppo players in his qtr of the pitch. One on the ball and another ahead of him in acres of space inside our box. Manning just trotted alongside the man on the ball for a few seconds with no intensity whatsoever, and when it became obvious he was about the release the ball to the player ahead of him, he then decided to put in what couldn't even be described as a half-hearted attempt to block the pass.

It's a recurring theme with him. If he's not too busy arguing with a lino to defend a cross into the box, he's just wandering about completely oblivious to what's going on around him, making token efforts to intercept balls that have already gone past him.

Players with his limited technical ability need to make up for it with effort and desire. I've never seen either from RM, and I look forward to the day I never have to watch him play for us again.

[Dell McDellFace]

Modern clubs want coaches not managers, they want "yes" men. The director of football and his team of data analysts are running the show, telling the manager how to do his job. It's probably the reason that Scienza doesn't do 90 minutes - the risk assessment by the data analysts says he needs to be rested. They are all over xG and other stats of potential transfer targets, but most driven by likely profit on resale.

If I was Reuben Amorim, I would ask Jason Wilcox what he has actually achieved in football to tell me how to do my job - he probably did and that sealed his fate.

Maybe Tonda was appointed because he agreed to be compliant. We are a data driven club and this suppresses flair and risk taking, because players are slaves to the system. The last thing the directors want is a strong manager who will want to have things his way.

Because of this model premiere league and championship football is becoming sterile. Maybe Man City and Arsenal are the exception, possibly Newcastle Villa - they have managers with enough gravitas to stand up to the nonsense.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Saint NL said:

 

 

There's a real lack of good managers around at the moment

Rosenior landed himself a 6 year contract too! And to think that he was supposedly on our list at one point.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

Where have you seen/ heard that? 

@SouSaint posted it on one of the threads, probably the GB ones itself. Stalling on it apparently (before he drops it!). 

[DT]

1 hour ago, Saint NL said:

 

 

There's a real lack of good managers around at the moment

Rosenior is excellent

[Midfield_General]

West Brom, who are two points below us, sack Mason: 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/jan/06/west-brom-sack-ryan-mason-as-head-coach

I wonder if Russ might fancy that one now? They spoke to him before he went to Rangers I think, and he might be a little less picky now, although apparently their supporters already hate him because of something to do with when we beat them in the play-off semi. 

Hasenhuttl and Still also both being talked up as possibilities. 

A lot of their fans sound like they'd be fairly happy with Still.

Rusty, not so much. Randomly taken but fairly representative quote: 'If it's that floppy-haired fuck it's time to pack it in and take up fishing.' 

Edited yesterday at 14:07 by Midfield_General

[Saint NL]

Gary O'Neil now out of the race to be our next boss 😂

 

 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Dell McDellFace said:

Modern clubs want coaches not managers, they want "yes" men. The director of football and his team of data analysts are running the show, telling the manager how to do his job. It's probably the reason that Scienza doesn't do 90 minutes - the risk assessment by the data analysts says he needs to be rested. They are all over xG and other stats of potential transfer targets, but most driven by likely profit on resale.

If I was Reuben Amorim, I would ask Jason Wilcox what he has actually achieved in football to tell me how to do my job - he probably did and that sealed his fate.

Maybe Tonda was appointed because he agreed to be compliant. We are a data driven club and this suppresses flair and risk taking, because players are slaves to the system. The last thing the directors want is a strong manager who will want to have things his way.

Because of this model premiere league and championship football is becoming sterile. Maybe Man City and Arsenal are the exception, possibly Newcastle Villa - they have managers with enough gravitas to stand up to the nonsense.

Well he was a decent footballer - I'd be more inclined to ask him to list his achievements since quitting as a player. Wilcox is yet another who talks a good game and interviews well but is all fluff and no substance. Not convinced he was much help to us.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, DT said:

Rosenior is excellent

He'll be sacked by Chelsea within 12 months.

[Willo of Whiteley]

3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I hear you, but surely we're just back to the old 'cow shit or dog shit' choice, like we are with our keepers.

How about we choose to change paths and avoid stepping in the shit altogether? Or is that too much for SR to grasp maybe.

Oh absolutely. 
Do I want him back - no.
Would I take him over Tonda Eckhart - yes, because he’d play a back four and actually get more of a tune out of these players.

Sport Republic have never struck me as pragmatic. They’ve struck me as cocky the more and more they’ve been around.

This air of arrogance around the in who the sporting director is, the manager, the style of play, the wasteful and recklessness around transfers.

I have no faith in them.

[Willo of Whiteley]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Rosenior landed himself a 6 year contract too! And to think that he was supposedly on our list at one point.

He’ll be sacked I. Just over 18 months.

Super pay off though.

Taking the Chelsea job is like taking the Watford job. It’s fast becoming the “you’re never more than ten feet away from someone” scenario.

[Midfield_General]

15 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Taking the Chelsea job is like taking the Watford job. It’s fast becoming the “you’re never more than ten feet away from someone” scenario.

Or the Saints job 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

He’ll be sacked I. Just over 18 months.

Super pay off though.

Taking the Chelsea job is like taking the Watford job. It’s fast becoming the “you’re never more than ten feet away from someone” scenario.

Nice little earner!

[CSA96]

1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

He’ll be sacked I. Just over 18 months.

Super pay off though.

Taking the Chelsea job is like taking the Watford job. It’s fast becoming the “you’re never more than ten feet away from someone” scenario.

He will get a better job post-Chelsea than he would've done if he'd just tried to get another EFL job after Hull without going to Strasbourg/Chelsea first, and he'll make a wedge of cash in the meantime too. Always a chance he makes it work at Chelsea too and then really boosts his stock. Might as well

[sadoldgit]

21 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

And fucking “Arma”, with his pony fucking nickname. 
 

 

 

 

Any worse than “Legohead” and “Snapdragon”?

[Roo1976]

is he still here?

 

[Gloucester Saint]

I think Nick might be onto something here, Alfie House’s posts were not random comments, I reckon Spors or someone else in the club’s leadership is trying to buy Tonda more time after the latest and most pathetic capitulation at Boro by pointing the finger at Martin’s luvvies and House fired the bullets. Unlikely that’s come without some prompting  

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/65411/

Edited yesterday at 18:19 by Gloucester Saint
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[Themotherfunky]

21 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I think Nick might onto something here, Alfie House’s posts were not random comments, I reckon Spors or someone else in the club’s leadership is trying to buy Tonda more time after the latest and most capitulation at Boro by pointing the finger at Martin’s luvvies and House fired the bullets. Unlikely that’s come without some prompting  

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/65411/

So basically what some (including myself) were speculating about previously, having bad apples and major negative influences around the squad. This was around the time of the Nixon post and subsequent sacking of Still. 

If the rumours are still persisting, there was obviously something to it initially. It's fucking disgraceful if it is the case. You can see that the effort on the pitch from those players isn't there, but for it to come out in the media like they've got some knobhead jolly club going on, and that dictates how things are running at squad level is abhorrent.

[Maggie May]

20 hours ago, Maggie May said:

OGS for me. 

Back at United, then. 

[Maggie May]

58 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I think Nick might be onto something here, Alfie House’s posts were not random comments, I reckon Spors or someone else in the club’s leadership is trying to buy Tonda more time after the latest and most pathetic capitulation at Boro by pointing the finger at Martin’s luvvies and House fired the bullets. Unlikely that’s come without some prompting  

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/65411/

This is speculative nonsense. 

[Gloucester Saint]

8 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

This is speculative nonsense. 

Source? Not saying it’s accurate or factual either but the fact that the local paper and fanzine editor have felt able to go to print tells me it’s not a pure coincidence.

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I think Nick might be onto something here, Alfie House’s posts were not random comments, I reckon Spors or someone else in the club’s leadership is trying to buy Tonda more time after the latest and most pathetic capitulation at Boro by pointing the finger at Martin’s luvvies and House fired the bullets. Unlikely that’s come without some prompting  

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/65411/

Yep. Don't get me wrong Tonda is way out of his depth but how many failed managers does it take? Tall Pauls comments today about things at the club "not being right behind the scenes" as well.

It's not a jolly camp that's for sure. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I think Nick might be onto something here, Alfie House’s posts were not random comments, I reckon Spors or someone else in the club’s leadership is trying to buy Tonda more time after the latest and most pathetic capitulation at Boro by pointing the finger at Martin’s luvvies and House fired the bullets. Unlikely that’s come without some prompting  

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/65411/

I think it’s very speculative and absurd bollocks.

Alfie House is a journo, yes, but I wouldn’t put him in the “puppet” class for Southampton Football Club’s hierarchy.

He’s always been very to the point on Total Saints Podcast, and it’s actually quite refreshing to here him call out certain individuals. 
I’m just surprised he tweeted so much today, but what he said there he’s been saying for ages.

[Wade Garrett]

11 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I tell you one thing about Jack having met him etc he may well be a mediocre polayer (he doesn't claim to be anything special) but one thing I can guarantee about him is that he cares passionately about the club (witness the Wembley tears) and always gives his all (even if you don't think that good enough). There's a lot wrong with the club from top to bottom but if I had ti climb into a WW1 tremch JS is still the sort of bloke I would want in there with me.

He’s a snide that would go to his officer and tell him his sergeant is shit.

 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I think Nick might be onto something here, Alfie House’s posts were not random comments, I reckon Spors or someone else in the club’s leadership is trying to buy Tonda more time after the latest and most pathetic capitulation at Boro by pointing the finger at Martin’s luvvies and House fired the bullets. Unlikely that’s come without some prompting  

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/65411/

But if that were true why have none of them been dropped? In fact, Tonda brought Stephens back. I'd have expected at the very least Manning not to be playing as often as he does.

[skintsaint]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Nice little earner!

[Wade Garrett]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

But if that were true why have none of them been dropped? In fact, Tonda brought Stephens back. I'd have expected at the very least Manning not to be playing as often as he does.

I think this is the point.  He hasn’t got the experience, or bollocks, to take them on.

If he doesn’t, they will cost him his job, 100%.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

I think this is the point.  He hasn’t got the experience, or bollocks, to take them on.

If he doesn’t, they will cost him his job, 100%.

Genuinely why would the higher ups protest about some of the shit players who are obviously part of a clique seeing us not win get dropped?

[Midfield_General]

16 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

He’s a snide that would go to his officer and tell him his sergeant is shit.

 

If it was 'Nam, he'd wait until his back was turned, whisper to Manning to pass him a grenade, and then frag him

Edited yesterday at 19:48 by Midfield_General

[Willo of Whiteley]

10 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I think this is the point.  He hasn’t got the experience, or bollocks, to take them on.

If he doesn’t, they will cost him his job, 100%.

Almost like he doesn’t like confrontation.

How difficult can it be for him or anyone to say “Ryan (Manning), I’m dropping you for this reason. Please let me show you exhibit A, B, C……. S, and T. Do you understand?”

[Fabrice29]

Hilarious lines these from that article. The inference from Alfie House is that there is a culture issue - fine, I can see that inference (not really an inference if he literally says it btw but sure).

"A clique of players who are running their own agendas" - Hang on - That's a massive leap from a post saying he'd like a culture reset. 

Then the very next line saying "I heard something last week" - cool, that's interesting who from? "not from anyone at the club or anyone who has spoken to any players" right so not from anyone who would actually know? Don't let that stop your point though eh. 

The idea that we replace lots of our players in an ideal world is lovely and something we have all wanted for a while. Zero evidence of any agenda or clique of players though, just complete and utter waffle until anyone actually proves it with something substantial and given we've had 5 managers now, all of whom had every possibility to drop this so called clique but have chosen not to, I'll probably not believe it really.

Would also add the idea that it's so outrageous that a group of players quite liked the way they played when they were successful and might dare to suggest doing that again would help is pretty mad too.

 

Edited yesterday at 20:35 by Fabrice29

[Badger]

7 hours ago, Dell McDellFace said:

Modern clubs want coaches not managers, they want "yes" men. The director of football and his team of data analysts are running the show, telling the manager how to do his job. It's probably the reason that Scienza doesn't do 90 minutes - the risk assessment by the data analysts says he needs to be rested. They are all over xG and other stats of potential transfer targets, but most driven by likely profit on resale.

If I was Reuben Amorim, I would ask Jason Wilcox what he has actually achieved in football to tell me how to do my job - he probably did and that sealed his fate.

Maybe Tonda was appointed because he agreed to be compliant. We are a data driven club and this suppresses flair and risk taking, because players are slaves to the system. The last thing the directors want is a strong manager who will want to have things his way.

Because of this model premiere league and championship football is becoming sterile. Maybe Man City and Arsenal are the exception, possibly Newcastle Villa - they have managers with enough gravitas to stand up to the nonsense.

This is increasingly the sad reality of how many clubs, including us it seems are run.

The DoF role seemed to start as an older head to offer guidance if needed to a younger manager, and a link between manager and board. Now as you say, it gives others, (often nerds and administrators) the option at playing at ‘football management’ without getting their hands dirty, or worst of all having to have any close day to day dealings with the players. 

[Fabrice29]

59 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I think this is the point.  He hasn’t got the experience, or bollocks, to take them on.

If he doesn’t, they will cost him his job, 100%.

Just the 5 managers since Martin have picked them. All 5 had the opportunity and means to drop them if they thought it would help. That fairy liquid has gone to your head you big old misogynist. 

Edited yesterday at 20:36 by Fabrice29

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Source? Not saying it’s accurate or factual either but the fact that the local paper and fanzine editor have felt able to go to print tells me it’s not a pure coincidence.

Go to print  A tweet and a fanzine website post are not going to print ffs  

These people, especially House, crave and rely on talking points to do with Saints. They need you, the punter, to click on, read, engage with, share, discuss and reference their work to survive and thrive. I’ve never read that fanzine rubbish before that so no idea how often he posts but House and the echo need daily content and engagement. They do so by rehashing all week quotes they’ve got from a once a week press conference and they fill in content around it to engage. 

The same goes for Blackmore and Tessem who create narratives thoughout their broadcasts to fuel a podcast later on and then next weeks content. 

If you want to believe these people not only know the inner workings of an environment they are rarely in but also are trying to hint at it in some rebellious cryptic way when they do a tweet then good for you, but I’m going to continue to believe that the local echo journalist naming some names of players he likes is just doing that and hoping you’ll engage with it and his content that pays his way personally.

Edited yesterday at 20:51 by Fabrice29

[Gary R76]

What we need is some one like Roy Keane , could THB put a word in for us

[Midfield_General]

Yeah someone needs to explain to Nick what the word 'cryptic' means.

Alfie has gone onto a public platform and literally said 'I think the culture is rotten, too many people have been here for too long', then listed a specific group of players by name and said 'I'd replace everyone else. Complete culture reset' and 'happy to keep [Armstrong] as long as ALL the other lot in that clique go'. 

Gosh, how cryptic, whatever can he possibly mean with his mysterious, enigmatic words? 

Edited yesterday at 20:50 by Midfield_General

[madge]

Just get Ralph back.. he wouldn’t take shit from the players and would have them running and pressing… I know he lost it a bit towards the end but it was genuinely the last time I really enjoyed the footy we played!!! And reckon he’d come back. 

[Give it to Ron]

37 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Would also add the idea that it's so outrageous that a group of players quite liked the way they played when they were successful and might dare to suggest doing that again would help is pretty mad too.

 

But the issue with that is it’s been a long time since it was successful including 12 points in a season! 
Our best play was the Charlton to Millwall games not playing Russball but now reverted to it and it’s crap again and so are the “clique” if there is one.

Something stinks here the tempo has dropped ridiculously back to useless standards….why?

[AlexLaw76]

If the culture was/is a problem, what the fuck were the club doing hiring an inexperienced manager, followed by a complete novice in the game.

Unbelievable.

Given the club actually did this (twice) over the last 6 months or so, take these 'leaks' as a means to take the heat of the manager and the owners.

[Fabrice29]

9 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

But the issue with that is it’s been a long time since it was successful including 12 points in a season! 
Our best play was the Charlton to Millwall games not playing Russball but now reverted to it and it’s crap again and so are the “clique” if there is one.

Something stinks here the tempo has dropped ridiculously back to useless standards….why?

This isn’t true though. We haven’t reverted to anything. And certainly not the tactics that bought us goals and points in this league. What’s actually happened is we’ve played teams who set up differently themselves and therefore that affects the players on our team too. You can’t pop the ball around teams like we did against Charlton unless they come hurtling all over the pitch like Charlton did. That’s where you end up recycling possession at the back because we’re trying to tempt teams in to play around them. Then you need to actually execute that well enough for it to be successful and then take your chances so it creates a significant moment to stay in people’s minds to register you actually did it. I’d argue quite a lot of the times we recycle possession we actually play into nice positions like we did against Charlton etc but then we misplace passes or miss chances and it comes to nothing. That’s the difference. Bad execution and tougher opposition tactics. 

Edited yesterday at 21:21 by Fabrice29

[Lord Duckhunter]

26 minutes ago, madge said:

Just get Ralph back.. he wouldn’t take shit from the players and would have them running and pressing… I know he lost it a bit towards the end but it was genuinely the last time I really enjoyed the footy we played!!! And reckon he’d come back. 

Fuck me. That was the start of it, didn’t JWP say  the club's culture and dressing room environment had deteriorated by his last season. The bloke was a busted flush….

Edited yesterday at 21:24 by Lord Duckhunter

[Give it to Ron]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

This isn’t true though. We haven’t reverted to anything. And certainly not the tactics that bought us goals and points in this league. What’s actually happened is we’ve played teams who set up differently themselves and therefore that affects the players on our team too. You can’t pop the ball around teams like we did against Charlton unless they come hurtling all over the pitch like Charlton did. That’s where you end up revelling possession at the back because we’re trying to tempt teams in to play around them. Then you need to actually execute that well enough for it to be successful and then take your chances so it creates a significant moment to stay in people’s minds to register you actually did it. I’d argue quite a lot of the times we recycle possession we actually play into nice positions like we did against Charlton etc but then we misplace passes or miss chances and it comes to nothing. That’s the difference. Bad execution and tougher opposition tactics. 

Sorry I disagree if you don’t think our tactics v Birmingham h. , Leicester, WBA were different than Birmingham away Norwich, Millwall, Oxford you are watching different games. 
In the winning period we got the ball forward far quicker there was very little slow passing it was done at pace and risk now there is nothing.

[Britannia]

I remember at the time Still was dismissed, how the performances changed immediately and being quite angry thinking the players had thrown the manager under the bus.  Downed tools for his removal.  This news brings me back to that.

Perhaps I'm wrong though.

[Fabrice29]

4 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Sorry I disagree if you don’t think our tactics v Birmingham h. , Leicester, WBA were different than Birmingham away Norwich, Millwall, Oxford you are watching different games. 
In the winning period we got the ball forward far quicker there was very little slow passing it was done at pace and risk now there is nothing.

Yea because all the teams you’ve mentioned first were proactive teams themselves who came after us, especially in the first halfs and left space to exploit. The teams you mentioned second were reactive tactically against us and meant the space was nullified so we have to try to manipulate the space ourselves by recycling possession. People massively forget the game isn’t all about our 11 players on the pitch. There’s another 11 players actively trying to implement their own game or nullify yours. 

That’s even before you get onto how goals affects games and people’s perceptions of them. The biggest thing that changed, apart from some tactical things regarding our base line, between Still, Eckerts first games and now is how ruthless we were. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

Agreed with @Fabrice29 first post this evening (there’s no evidence to suggest anything behind the scenes) absolute fair comment.

But then the second one to say Adam Blackmore and Alfie House make shit up to fuel their own narratives for their podcast 🤣🤪

Firstly, they don’t do one together Adam and Jo do the BBC Sounds one and Alfie is a regular on Total Saints Podcasts.

I would argue that everything they have said and discussed in recent times is beyond accurate and on par with exactly what 99% of Saints fans are thinking. 

I.e. the players aren’t good enough, they aren’t playing at their best, Tonda is starting to look out of place, Tonda hasn’t got a plan B, three CBs hasn’t and does not work, the hierarchy have got a lot to answer for etc.

What is incorrect about what they have said above? They’re basic discussions that everyone is having at the moment. Not “fuelling a narrative”. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Willo of Whiteley said:

Agreed with @Fabrice29 first post this evening (there’s no evidence to suggest anything behind the scenes) absolute fair comment.

But then the second one to say Adam Blackmore and Alfie House make shit up to fuel their own narratives for their podcast 🤣🤪

Firstly, they don’t do one together Adam and Jo do the BBC Sounds one and Alfie is a regular on Total Saints Podcasts.

I would argue that everything they have said and discussed in recent times is beyond accurate and on par with exactly what 99% of Saints fans are thinking. 

I.e. the players aren’t good enough, they aren’t playing at their best, Tonda is starting to look out of place, Tonda hasn’t got a plan B, three CBs hasn’t and does not work, the hierarchy have got a lot to answer for etc.

What is incorrect about what they have said above? They’re basic discussions that everyone is having at the moment. Not “fuelling a narrative”. 🤦🏻‍♂️

I didn’t say anything about House and a podcast. 

Secondly, you can absolutely say something that is true and even popular but still be creating and fuelling that narrative for content purposes. I never said they weren’t saying things that they don’t think is true.