Phil Parsons

[Scally42]

18 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

But my point is that back before the first Boro game it was considered to be a storm in a teacup by everyone, worthy of a genuine apology. Boro/Gibson chose the escalation route. I don't think PP was blabbing, just offered a sincere apology. Wrong call in hindsight but as we all know that is a wonderful thing. Not many have never made a wrong call in their lives. I have made plenty.

If what we did is rife and goes on all the time it's not such a big deal. It's only when Steve Gibbson and all his media buddies pile on it then becomes the crime of the century.

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

PP and TE had an opportunity to explain what actually happened when the charges were bought and concluded that admitting guilt was their only course of action. They also had an opportunity to stop events being blown out of all proportion but decided against any attempt to control the narrative. They’ve also sent proven batshit conspiracy theorists to bat for the club afterwards. It’s been piss poor and guilty decision making at every opportunity so let’s not pretend it’s a media hatchet job.

People should be thrown under the bus for what has ultimately led to being kicked out of an opportunity to get to the PL. Who that is might be up for debate pending the outcome of an internal review and FA action but let’s not try and spin the idea the fans are wrongly jumping the gun ffs. 😂

I hope that you never get picked for jury service. You are supposed to listen to all of the evidence before coming to a conclusion. Before throwing anybody under the bus you should at least hear what they have to say.

[Convict Colony]

Honestly in this whole mess i do not think Phil Parsons has any blame to share.

Aside the poster whose been after his job since he got here i thought he's done ok and growing into the role.

You guys are still feeling the short term pain, our redemption arc next season and getting promoted with a 100pts and 2 6-0 drubbings of boro will be a sweet sweet delight.

[beatlesaint]

41 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

But my point is that back before the first Boro game it was considered to be a storm in a teacup by everyone, worthy of a genuine apology. Boro/Gibson chose the escalation route. I don't think PP was blabbing, just offered a sincere apology. Wrong call in hindsight but as we all know that is a wonderful thing. Not many have never made a wrong call in their lives. I have made plenty.

Not many have made a wrong call that’s cost potentially £200 million though.

[Football Special]

31 minutes ago, macca155 said:

Good posts from @Fitzhugh Fella, and I'd concur the more heat that can be taken out of this situation the better. However  fans will want someone to pay for this shit show.

Tonda is getting support as most recognise his worth to us. Few will know of Parson's worth, but that's the deal with senior management. It doesn't hurt to remind us. 

Go on holiday by all means, but take your bloody phone and stay ahead of this fiasco, at the very least. 

Just a few settling statements is all that is needed. It's the silence that is annoying.

 

Has he definitely gone on "holiday" ? 

St Mary's stadium has been out of action all week anyway as has been taken over by TakeThat who have been rehearsing there for their forthcoming tour and shows there tonight and tomorrow so he'd probably not have been at the stadium anyway,  could be working remotely 

Edited yesterday at 15:39 by Football Special

[LegalEagle]

19 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Honestly in this whole mess i do not think Phil Parsons has any blame to share.

Aside the poster whose been after his job since he got here i thought he's done ok and growing into the role.

You guys are still feeling the short term pain, our redemption arc next season and getting promoted with a 100pts and 2 6-0 drubbings of boro will be a sweet sweet delight.

You don’t think PP has any blame to share? Really? That’s very generous. I think it would be hard to argue against the proposition that what he said and how he acted to Gibson was entirely misplaced. Who knows but the outcome might have been different if he’d said nothing and got the lawyers in very early on. He read it wrongly when throwing himself at Gibson’s mercy. Gibson was and is known for being a bit of a bastard. And I mean that in a good way if you support Boro and want the best for your club. I wish he was calling the shots at Southampton. Gibson takes no prisoners and I’m surprised that PP didn’t know that. In his position he should have done. An apology like that from PP was just manna from heaven for Gibson and by god did he exploit it. He saw that as weakness on our part. That’s because it was. No blame on PP? Have to strongly disagree.

Edited yesterday at 15:51 by LegalEagle

[SaintsLoyal]

Its not just about the promotion final debacle, there have been other issues from Parsons. How did he give looney le tissier a paid job ? And before that all the other paid work despite the cretin being a laughing stock in football and thinking he can behave and do what he wants and show no responsibilty.. We saw it again only a couple of weeks ago, with the nutter going on about chem trails and being all over the national media, embarrassing our club and fans. Poor old parsons has made a rod for his own back being 'one of the boys' playing footie with ex saints. 

 

Its a farce 

 

[qwertyell]

6 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Maybe people should hold fire until PP, TE and the club give a full nuts and bolts explanation of what actually happened. I genuinely think fans will be less inclined to throw everyone under the bus when hearing how it all unravelled and how events have been blown out of all proportion.

Ah, so there is another, more understandable, version of events - which they cunningly decided not to elaborate on during the actual EFL hearing and the appeal, which consisted of them admitting to all charges, and lying about the manager not understanding the rules. 

It's good that they've held back the real details until after everyone's had a nice holiday and it makes no difference whatsoever.

[Colinjb]

Happy to take the word of FF on how hard working Parsons is.

But, he misjudged this situation horribly. I have no faith in his competence.

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, LegalEagle said:

You don’t think PP has any blame to share? Really? That’s very generous. I think it would be hard to argue against the proposition that what he said and how he acted to Gibson was entirely misplaced. Who knows but the outcome might have been different if he’d said nothing and got the lawyers in very early on. He read it wrongly when throwing himself at Gibson’s mercy. Gibson was and is known for being a bit of a bastard. And I mean that in a good way if you support Boro and want the best for your club. I wish he was calling the shots at Southampton. Gibson takes no prisoners and I’m surprised that PP didn’t know that. In his position he should have done. An apology like that from PP was just manna from heaven for Gibson and by god did he exploit it. He saw that as weakness on our part. That’s because it was. No blame on PP? Have to strongly disagree.

Username and post content checks out 🙂

 

[LegalEagle]

1 minute ago, Convict Colony said:

Username and post content checks out 🙂

 

Haha. Always on the job.

[saintant]

3 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

I'm not sure it's trolling or piling-on to dare to suggest that this episode hasn't exactly been the club's finest hour and could have been handled better, to be honest 

We accept that and have taken the ridiculous penalty handed out. No need to keep berating the club and everyone in it when, what we did was pretty insignificant but has been blown up out of all proportion. I'm sure Arsenal wouldn't be screening their final build up to the Champions League Final if it was any big deal. Yes, we could have handled things better and lessons need to be learned but let's not make out we're some massive cheats who gained a major advantage. Circle the wagons, adopt a siege mentality and go forward as one is the best way to get through this.

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Scally42 said:

If what we did is rife and goes on all the time it's not such a big deal. It's only when Steve Gibbson and all his media buddies pile on it then becomes the crime of the century.

Exactly this. 

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

But my point is that back before the first Boro game it was considered to be a storm in a teacup by everyone, worthy of a genuine apology. Boro/Gibson chose the escalation route. I don't think PP was blabbing, just offered a sincere apology. Wrong call in hindsight but as we all know that is a wonderful thing. Not many have never made a wrong call in their lives. I have made plenty.

Thanks for that Duncan. Reassuring to know things aren't maybe as terrible as they first appeared (although still not good.) Do you know if they club believe that Tonda is likely to get canned by the FA?

[suewhistle]

I was never very ambitious but the biggest lesson I learned in my working career was never to assume, check and refer upwards if necessary. Somebody responsible for high level decision making should be the same and take specialist advice if necessary. As in traffic accidents never admit liability even if you were at fault. If what we did was "rife", do we have evidence of that?

Decision making has been appalling, communication worse and I truly hope that as CEO if he is truly on holiday he's constantly on the end of his phone. 

Of course we've been stitched up, but we've allowed ourselves to be.

[MarkSFC]

3 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Its not just about the promotion final debacle, there have been other issues from Parsons. How did he give looney le tissier a paid job ? And before that all the other paid work despite the cretin being a laughing stock in football and thinking he can behave and do what he wants and show no responsibilty.. We saw it again only a couple of weeks ago, with the nutter going on about chem trails and being all over the national media, embarrassing our club and fans. Poor old parsons has made a rod for his own back being 'one of the boys' playing footie with ex saints. 

 

Its a farce 

 

Presumably then you still get the covid vaccine 🤦😂

[Fabrice29]

6 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I hope that you never get picked for jury service. You are supposed to listen to all of the evidence before coming to a conclusion. Before throwing anybody under the bus you should at least hear what they have to say.

Totally the same, you’re so right.

[BarberSaint]

12 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Maybe people should hold fire until PP, TE and the club give a full nuts and bolts explanation of what actually happened. I genuinely think fans will be less inclined to throw everyone under the bus when hearing how it all unravelled and how events have been blown out of all proportion. Yes communication has been wat too slow slow. PP is on leave this week as are a lot of people connected with the club as its half-term and traditionally a quiet week for football at the season's end.

I hold my hands up I know PP and like him. He is fanatically committed and has done many good things off the pitch as well as becoming a fervent fan. You should see how nervous he gets before a match. Yes he has made mistakes and has admitted them, but my overriding message is castigating the manager and the CEO based solely on what the media and the EFL hearing have alleged reported is premature. PP and TE were integral to last season's success - let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

While you might, FF,  I'm afraid I don't like your PP.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Totally the same, you’re so right.

I am right. You haven’t heard what the accused have to say yet you have decided that they are guilty already. You are no better than “Gibbo.” 

[Fabrice29]

54 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I am right. You haven’t heard what the accused have to say yet you have decided that they are guilty already. You are no better than “Gibbo.” 

Just your daily reminder that they accepted all charges levied against them. So yeh, I’ve decided they are guilty. You are right. 

[St. Ciervo]

I cannot believe what I am reading. He fessed up to the accuser IN FRONT OF OTHERS... What kind of dimwit does that? Gibbo wouldn't have done that. You do not need to read a crystal ball to know to STFU in a legal preceding. 

He has had every opportunity to pull back the curtains and speak to the charges... "Oh but he cant do that while the commission is meeting or the FA charges are pending." The same guy that spoke in front of others to hang us... unreal.

 

Edited 11 hours ago by St. Ciervo

[Pilchards]

2 hours ago, St. Ciervo said:

I cannot believe what I am reading. He fessed up to the accuser IN FRONT OF OTHERS... What kind of dimwit does that? Gibbo wouldn't have done that. You do not need to read a crystal ball to know to STFU in a legal preceding. 

He has had every opportunity to pull back the curtains and speak to the charges... "Oh but he cant do that while the commission is meeting or the FA charges are pending." The same guy that spoke in front of others to hang us... unreal.

 

Not only that, Boro considered banning all board members but decided against it.

So the plan was to keep them apart BUT our Phil went out of his way to tug Steve Gibson on the arm to go somewhere for a quiet chat.

The witnesses around said they heard his cheating confession so it was hardly quiet.

It’s a real shame Phil couldn’t of said to the court of appeal that he thought Gibbo was a gobby twat and he told him privately to shove his spying accusations up his arse.

We would never of got kicked out or docked 4 points if he took this route. 

[CB Fry]

 

 

8 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I am right. You haven’t heard what the accused have to say yet you have decided that they are guilty already. You are no better than “Gibbo.” 

Why are you pretending this is an ongoing trial or investigation?

It's over, it's finished, we admitted guilt. They are "guilty already".

What the "accused have to say" was heard and what they said was "yes, we did it".

I hope i never get picked for jury service with you, as you'd be formulating the argument to acquit on your bus journey home 2 hours after the accused had already been sent down.

Edited 8 hours ago by CB Fry

[benjii]

If there is some interesting mitigating information it makes our defence even more pathetic.

[Cuddles]

2 minutes ago, benjii said:

If there is some interesting mitigating information it makes our defence even more pathetic.

Defence? 👀

[Give it to Ron]

2 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

Defence? 👀

Yes it’s behind detree 

[Saint Fan CaM]

Yeah, I understand hindsight is wonderful thing FF and perhaps there’s litigation potential holding back any further comment. PP just needed to say “I know nothing, but I will personally get to the bottom of the matter”.  The issue is not about now though - it’s about the future and whether a CEO with so little ability to make himself aware is the right guy going forwards. If Dragan thinks he is then fair enough…he’s ultimately the guy that will literally pay for his mistakes.

[Midfield_General]

15 hours ago, saintant said:

We accept that and have taken the ridiculous penalty handed out. No need to keep berating the club and everyone in it when, what we did was pretty insignificant but has been blown up out of all proportion. 

No mate, you’ve just decided to keep describing it as insignificant. That’s not the same as it being insignificant.

There was a rule, we deliberately broke it multiple times, lied about it, then confessed to it. 

The direct result of those actions and how we handled it cost us the day at Wembley, the chance of £200m and promotion, and turned the club into a national punchline. 

That is significant, whether you personally want to accept that or not. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Midfield_General

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

PP just needed to say “I know nothing"

Now you mention it, I can see some similarities....

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

No mate, you’ve just decided to keep describing it as insignificant. That’s not the same as it being insignificant.

There was a rule, we deliberately broke it multiple times, lied about it, then confessed to it. 

The direct result of those actions and how we handled it cost us the day at Wembley, the chance of £200m and promotion, and turned the club into a national punchline. 

That is significant, whether you personally want to accept that or not. 

To be fair to Saintant, it’s not the same. He’s stating that the alleged spying was an insignificant thing - you’re stating that the outcome of a bent EFL investigative panel was significant. The two are not mutually exclusive (i.e. both things can be and are, in fact, true).