Starksj1995 Posted yesterday at 11:34 Posted yesterday at 11:34 13 hours ago, Lighthouse said: We aren't getting £35m for a 28 year old Championship player. We'd take £25m. Not when owner has said 35M same for Shea Leeds have had 2 offers rejected as been told 30M
hypochondriac Posted yesterday at 11:34 Posted yesterday at 11:34 4 minutes ago, revolution saint said: Yeah seems like a fairly genuine link. Price seems to be the only thing that doesn't really make sense and 7.5 - 8M is too high for a player bought by Como for 1.5M who hasn't played for them and didn't set the world alight at Ipswich last season. On a long contract 'till 2029 but I would have thought 5M tops would get him and can't imagine many other clubs busting a gut to buy him. Hopefully only one of a number of players we're looking at. I remember when we were linked that that pacy winger I think he was African last year. Never seemed to make much sense and nothing came of it in the end. I reckon Lankshear is our main target and we will wait it out a bit longer.
Starksj1995 Posted yesterday at 11:35 Posted yesterday at 11:35 2 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said: He may be attracting interest but he isn’t a £30-£35M player - supposedly the fee we’d be after. 🤷🏻♂️ Yh 35 we want big offer reported by ab
Chez Posted yesterday at 11:53 Posted yesterday at 11:53 15 minutes ago, revolution saint said: Yeah seems like a fairly genuine link. Price seems to be the only thing that doesn't really make sense and 7.5 - 8M is too high for a player bought by Como for 1.5M who hasn't played for them and didn't set the world alight at Ipswich last season. On a long contract 'till 2029 but I would have thought 5M tops would get him and can't imagine many other clubs busting a gut to buy him. Hopefully only one of a number of players we're looking at. A loan seems the ideal move, perhaps with a buy clause if he plays enough games and we get promoted. Como have made the Morata loan a permanent move, so I doubt a slot will open up for him there.
Saint Pete Posted yesterday at 11:55 Posted yesterday at 11:55 2 hours ago, Nolan said: To me Azon looks to be Larins Cover. Good hold up play to allow attacking runs, better finishing can be taught at his age. I don't see it as cover/understudy, I would think the idea is he will alternate with Larin in the same way as Stewart did. From reading about him, it sounds like he has the right attributes for that, just needs to step up his goals output a bit in the same way as Larin did when he arrived. 3
hypochondriac Posted yesterday at 11:55 Posted yesterday at 11:55 1 minute ago, Chez said: A loan seems the ideal move, perhaps with a buy clause if he plays enough games and we get promoted. Como have made the Morata loan a permanent move, so I doubt a slot will open up for him there. Agreed. Signing a backup striker for 9 million makes little sense. I don't reckon we will sign him.
Saint86 Posted yesterday at 12:11 Posted yesterday at 12:11 15 minutes ago, Saint Pete said: I don't see it as cover/understudy, I would think the idea is he will alternate with Larin in the same way as Stewart did. From reading about him, it sounds like he has the right attributes for that, just needs to step up his goals output a bit in the same way as Larin did when he arrived. I agree. The championship games come thick and fast, and we saw last season that a huge part of the way Eckert manages is to have players that can he can swap and change in and out of the squad and then do the same job. Dobbin, azon etc., are being signed to be part and pacel of the first team. 1
Chez Posted yesterday at 12:11 Posted yesterday at 12:11 8 minutes ago, Saint Pete said: just needs to step up his goals output a bit in the same way as Larin did when he arrived. Not sure they are comparible. Larin was scoring plenty of goals (more than one in two in the US, more than one in three in Turkey) at the same age. It was just when he went to Mallorca that things turned sour - and they were a poor side. Azon on the other hand has scored 27 in 150 Spanish second division games and five in 40 for Ipswich. Still time to blossom... 4
Danbert Posted yesterday at 13:10 Posted yesterday at 13:10 1 hour ago, Starksj1995 said: Not when owner has said 35M same for Shea Leeds have had 2 offers rejected as been told 30M We said 100 million for Dibling, as I recall 🤪
2Morrow Posted yesterday at 13:21 Posted yesterday at 13:21 For Azon you can't conflate appearances with starts and minutes on the pitch, and probably should include assists. Given his age, the stats look a lot better when you adjust for that - better than 1 in 3 g/a per match 1
revolution saint Posted yesterday at 13:41 Posted yesterday at 13:41 15 minutes ago, 2Morrow said: For Azon you can't conflate appearances with starts and minutes on the pitch, and probably should include assists. Given his age, the stats look a lot better when you adjust for that - better than 1 in 3 g/a per match Or alternatively you discount assists and just look at goals and last season he's one goal every 5 games. For a team that came second. I don't think there's any way round the fact that he doesn't score enough (and I guess if you want to get really nerdy then his xG against actual goals scored would back that up). 2
Turkish Posted yesterday at 13:46 Posted yesterday at 13:46 22 minutes ago, 2Morrow said: For Azon you can't conflate appearances with starts and minutes on the pitch, and probably should include assists. Given his age, the stats look a lot better when you adjust for that - better than 1 in 3 g/a per match can we get a stat for assisting assists too? This is often overlooked but i think this is important, how many times do players make a key pass, win a header etc, give it to the guy that gets the assist. This IMO is equally as important Stat. 2 1
Saint86 Posted yesterday at 13:58 Posted yesterday at 13:58 12 minutes ago, Turkish said: can we get a stat for assisting assists too? This is often overlooked but i think this is important, how many times do players make a key pass, win a header etc, give it to the guy that gets the assist. This IMO is equally as important Stat. You mean, key passes? 😄
bugenhagen Posted yesterday at 14:08 Posted yesterday at 14:08 2 hours ago, Saint Pete said: I don't see it as cover/understudy, I would think the idea is he will alternate with Larin in the same way as Stewart did. From reading about him, it sounds like he has the right attributes for that, just needs to step up his goals output a bit in the same way as Larin did when he arrived. This is my thought as well. Tonda seems to like to pretty equal players in each position (midfield and attack) and it’s not really a case of a starter and a backup.
Dman Posted yesterday at 15:14 Posted yesterday at 15:14 2 minutes ago, HKsaint said: I think he is worse than archer. The difference being, we know Archer is shit*. We don't know how Dobbin will fair. He might be really suited to a Tonda team. *I don't actually think he's shit, for whatever reason, its just not worked here for wahtever reason. 1
Weston Super Saint Posted yesterday at 15:31 Posted yesterday at 15:31 2 hours ago, 2Morrow said: For Azon you can't conflate appearances with starts and minutes on the pitch, and probably should include assists. Given his age, the stats look a lot better when you adjust for that - better than 1 in 3 g/a per match Basically, once adjusted, a goal every other game?
HarvSFC Posted yesterday at 15:56 Posted yesterday at 15:56 Sometimes with these strikers, their careers start off slow and then something just clicks. Liam Delap the most recent example off the top of my head. A pretty poor scoring record during multiple loans and then Ipswich got him and he became their one hope of staying up and became one of the most sought after strikers that summer after Ipswich's relegation. Harry Kane as an extreme example was the same during his early years and the rest is history there. We know that Eckert's tactics get the best out of forwards like Azon, as seen with Larin and we also know that Azon will at least effect the game elsewhere if he isn't scoring, unlike many of our other recent strikers who would disappear and hide. That said, I'm not against a punt on a player for less than £10m who we aren't going to be dependant on because we have Larin.
lumuah Posted yesterday at 15:59 Posted yesterday at 15:59 26 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Basically, once adjusted, a goal every other game? 1 goal every 3-4 90 mins played, and 1 assist every 5.
2Morrow Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 9 minutes ago, lumuah said: 1 goal every 3-4 90 mins played, and 1 assist every 5. Inclusive of playing first team football since he was 17. Last year he underperformed his XG by about 6, suggesting the chances he got were good enough to match a goal every other game. Over that small a sample size, it could be luck, and there arent many players who underperform to that extent across large samples. I presume we are betting he regresses to the mean next year and scores at the rate larin and stewart did with us.
ally_uk Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Regarding Scienza if he wants to go and we get 25 million+ so be it... Get the next one in, not the end of the world 4
UpweySaint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 36 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Regarding Scienza if he wants to go and we get 25 million+ so be it... Get the next one in, not the end of the world It’s not the end of the world and we could pull another rabbit out of the hat but there are no guarantees the next ‘can off the rank’ has the same impact as Leo. He must have a good length of time on his contract so I don’t see why we would be selling unless the offer was too good to turn down and/or we have any sense he would down tools if we didn’t accept - he doesn’t seem like that sort of character though.
Chez Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 47 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Regarding Scienza if he wants to go and we get 25 million+ so be it... Get the next one in, not the end of the world signing players that are among the best in the league in their position isn't easy. 6
bangkoksaint Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago Leo has, maybe due to circumstance, been a bit of a journeyman and a late starter. I appreciate he wants to reach the top. With us he has a genuine chance and at a place where he’s adored and he seems to like playing at. If he goes and flops then he may well be moving on again in 12 months time and by that point he won’t be far off 30. 1
Stu Man Do Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 5 hours ago, 2Morrow said: For Azon you can't conflate appearances with starts and minutes on the pitch, and probably should include assists. Given his age, the stats look a lot better when you adjust for that - better than 1 in 3 g/a per match I remember when we last stats fixed and everyone was told Carrillo scored a goal every 21 minutes 😜 1
Pilchards Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago Leo signed a 4 year contract, he’s going to stay unless we get a stupid offer. Same goes for Jander, what gives them the right to fuck off after one season. That’s what gets me when we give players the chance to better themselves with us then they get too big for their boots. 4
Lighthouse Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Pilchards said: Leo signed a 4 year contract, he’s going to stay unless we get a stupid offer. Same goes for Jander, what gives them the right to fuck off after one season. That’s what gets me when we give players the chance to better themselves with us then they get too big for their boots. You say that like we’re doing them a favour, letting them play for us. If players get a chance to play at a higher level they will almost invariably want to go. It then becomes a question of negotiation between the player, the club and any potential suitors. We won’t be waiting for ‘stupid’ offers, we’ll be interested in acceptable offers. Football is a business. 3
bugenhagen Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 45 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: You say that like we’re doing them a favour, letting them play for us. If players get a chance to play at a higher level they will almost invariably want to go. It then becomes a question of negotiation between the player, the club and any potential suitors. We won’t be waiting for ‘stupid’ offers, we’ll be interested in acceptable offers. Football is a business. What is the difference between a stupid offer and an acceptable one? In some cases the might be the same, in others, not. I think the case of Elliot Anderson is a stupid offer, others might deem it acceptable. The point is that we won't settle for market value on players one year into a four year deal. We will say no, either untill the money becomes too good, or the player starts kicking up a fuss. 2
Badger Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 2 hours ago, Pilchards said: Leo signed a 4 year contract, he’s going to stay unless we get a stupid offer. Same goes for Jander, what gives them the right to fuck off after one season. That’s what gets me when we give players the chance to better themselves with us then they get too big for their boots. Might hinge on any release clause or agreement to let the player know of offers that the club agrees on signing them. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago Boro, especially Gibson and Hellberg, really are whiny little bitches aren’t they? https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/dael-fry-hits-back-injury-34288272 Tale of woe on all of the targets they’ve missed out on as well such as Dobbin. Hope we smash the miserable cunts 5-0 at SMS next season, knocking the chips off both shoulders. Then they’ll have to return that shithole. 2 5
Gloucester Saint Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago (edited) Typical Pompey tightwads, buying Shein https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c79y9d4vrw7o Charlie Taylor to Derby. Never really got a chance at Saints and no idea why they signed him. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cdr4r54v5gro Edited 7 hours ago by Gloucester Saint
Pilchards Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 22 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Not sure why that’s in our transfer chat group when we have a championship one open for news like this? 4
Oldandtired Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 15 hours ago, UpweySaint said: It’s not the end of the world and we could pull another rabbit out of the hat but there are no guarantees the next ‘can off the rank’ has the same impact as Leo. He must have a good length of time on his contract so I don’t see why we would be selling unless the offer was too good to turn down and/or we have any sense he would down tools if we didn’t accept - he doesn’t seem like that sort of character though. Does he really have a huge impact in terms of goals and assists? I feel he flatters to deceive on occasions, beats two men then doesn't get his head up for the killer pass or loses the ball. Granted he's good to watch, but impact not so sure. Edited 6 hours ago by Oldandtired
UpweySaint Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Oldandtired said: Does he really have a huge impact in terms of goals and assists? I feel he flatters to deceive on occasions, beats two men then doesn't get his head up for the killer pass or loses the ball. Granted he's good to watch, but impact not so sure. I expect we could find some deep level stats that break down his impact on our attacking play to give us more definitive answers. Short of that happy to go by eye. I don’t think you’re alone in questioning the end product but my sense is he contributes a lot to the overall build up play and our attack seems much more potent when he plays (for the most part). I’m hoping with a Tonda preseason we could see even more from him next season.
Charlie Wayman Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 23 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said: Keeping THB and Jander is key for me. Yes, yes a thousand times "Yes"! it's time to give the Captaincy to THB, not that it is much of an incentive in the bigger scheme of things but he is a true heads-above-the-parapet leader that can galvanise the team. Jack Stephens just doesn't have the right genes; being a long serving employee and a thoroughly decent chap aren't good enough reasons for how a Captain should be chosen. We have to keep Jander for at least this season to help our drive to the `PL. If we succeed then the whole scene changes and we might finally stop being a selling club.
Charlie Wayman Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 33 minutes ago, Oldandtired said: Does he really have a huge impact in terms of goals and assists? I feel he flatters to deceive on occasions, beats two men then doesn't get his head up for the killer pass or loses the ball. Granted he's good to watch, but impact not so sure. Let's not find fault where none exists. Very few seem to take your view judged by the passion on the terraces for our Brazilian wunderkind.
JohnnyShearer2.0 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Yes, yes a thousand times "Yes"! it's time to give the Captaincy to THB, not that it is much of an incentive in the bigger scheme of things but he is a true heads-above-the-parapet leader that can galvanise the team. Jack Stephens just doesn't have the right genes; being a long serving employee and a thoroughly decent chap aren't good enough reasons for how a Captain should be chosen. We have to keep Jander for at least this season to help our drive to the `PL. If we succeed then the whole scene changes and we might finally stop being a selling club. Agree. For me THB should now be leading the line as captain. However we could get offers in for him. West Ham are selling Todibo so will have cash to burn. Jander, got better as the season went on. Hopefully he's settled and gives it another go this season. 1
hypochondriac Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 17 hours ago, ally_uk said: Regarding Scienza if he wants to go and we get 25 million+ so be it... Get the next one in, not the end of the world I get the point but Scienza is a known quantity. Any replacement is a risk and it would be close to the end of the world if we fail to get promoted this year. Potentially many years in the lower leagues would be what happens. 1
sadoldgit Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 41 minutes ago, Oldandtired said: Does he really have a huge impact in terms of goals and assists? I feel he flatters to deceive on occasions, beats two men then doesn't get his head up for the killer pass or loses the ball. Granted he's good to watch, but impact not so sure. I don’t disagree that he is good to watch but the end product is often frustrating. If it wasn’t though he would have been playing at a higher level than ours last season.
warsash saint Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 31 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said: Agree. For me THB should now be leading the line as captain. However we could get offers in for him. West Ham are selling Todibo so will have cash to burn. Jander, got better as the season went on. Hopefully he's settled and gives it another go this season. I can't see thb making a sideways move to whu. 2
Saint86 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 27 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: I don’t disagree that he is good to watch but the end product is often frustrating. If it wasn’t though he would have been playing at a higher level than ours last season. I agree his end product was slightly frustrating. But equally, just because he is good, people seem to be forgetting that it was his first year in English football - do players only get this as a mitigating excuse when they've struggled? Who is to say there isn't more to come from Scienza? Equally, he does have the sprinkling of star factor - at any moment he may make something happen, get the team up the pitch, cut the opposition defense open, inject some positivity into our play - i don't think that should be overlooked. 2
St Chalet Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago It's reported THB isn't on a big wage, with two years left on his deal it will either be a renewed and enhanced contract for him or we will sell this Summer to realise the best value. I'd like to see him give it another year here as captain personally. Source = https://www.capology.com/club/southampton/salaries/ 3
sockeye Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 5 minutes ago, St Chalet said: It's reported THB isn't on a big wage, with two years left on his deal it will either be a renewed and enhanced contract for him or we will sell this Summer to realise the best value. I'd like to see him give it another year here as captain personally. Source = https://www.capology.com/club/southampton/salaries/ I think he's the kind of player we need in the side for our siege mentality, I'd like to see him with the captain's armband and a new contract (with a tasty promotion bonus) this season. 2
Chez Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 19 minutes ago, St Chalet said: It's reported THB isn't on a big wage, with two years left on his deal it will either be a renewed and enhanced contract for him or we will sell this Summer to realise the best value. I'd like to see him give it another year here as captain personally. Source = https://www.capology.com/club/southampton/salaries/ Capaology is a waste of time. You don't move for a £20m transfer fee and earn £7500 a week. 1
Chez Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Crystal Palace linked to Charles but the story seems to be based on an ex scout saying "their scouts have watched him" which doesn't mean much.
Gloucester Saint Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 40 minutes ago, warsash saint said: I can't see thb making a sideways move to whu. What would be the point when there are PL likely buyers at mid-lower table level and West Ham will be making a huge transition next term albeit should be contending for top 2 even so? Whether those PL clubs get near Dragan’s valuation is another story.
Saint Mikey Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Chez said: Capaology is a waste of time. You don't move for a £20m transfer fee and earn £7500 a week. Yeah, he would have been on more at City.
CSA96 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, Pilchards said: Not sure why that’s in our transfer chat group when we have a championship one open for news like this? Ah balls, I actually did mean to stick it in that other thread as well
sadoldgit Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 50 minutes ago, Chez said: Crystal Palace linked to Charles but the story seems to be based on an ex scout saying "their scouts have watched him" which doesn't mean much. Especially if the were standing behind a tree with an iPhone.
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