Tonda Eckert

[Saint Keef]

Once again, the BBC are all over this like a fucking rash. They do love a bit of controvesy. However their so-called researchers didn't seem to be able to find out that the legend, who was Kevin Keegan, played 80 times for Saints. Sorry chaps - needed to get that off my chest. Cheers.

[Badger]

14 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

It wasn't a specified rule with the EFL.

The FA have had the rule Tonda is charged under for a long time, so Bielsa would have set a precedent for FA punishment.

Fair point, but could they bring a charge on Bielsa, if there hadn’t been an ‘offence’ or misconduct as far as the League were concerned at the time ? 

[Teamsaint1]

9 minutes ago, Saint Keef said:

Once again, the BBC are all over this like a fucking rash. They do love a bit of controvesy. However their so-called researchers didn't seem to be able to find out that the legend, who was Kevin Keegan, played 80 times for Saints. Sorry chaps - needed to get that off my chest. Cheers.

Disgraceful stuff. They could have mentioned that KK had his best ever goal scoring season when a  Saints player. 

[hypochondriac]

Who are all these sources chatting shit to everyone. If they're going to ban him then just fucking do it now don't leave everyone hanging on for another week.

[saintant]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Who are all these sources chatting shit to everyone. If they're going to ban him then just fucking do it now don't leave everyone hanging on for another week.

Agree although there will be procedures to follow.

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Who are all these sources chatting shit to everyone. If they're going to ban him then just fucking do it now don't leave everyone hanging on for another week.

Difficult to understand how it has taken so long just to get to the stage of charging him for something previously admitted. 
 

No idea as to the workings of this, they’ve interviewed or heard Tonda. Does  the club, or his representatives, now get opportunity to make their plea , or do they (the FA) now just go away for another wankathon behind closed doors to decide the fate ? 

[Saint Keef]

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Who are all these sources chatting shit to everyone. If they're going to ban him then just fucking do it now don't leave everyone hanging on for another week.

My money's on Gibson 

[Badger]

4 minutes ago, saintant said:

Agree although there will be procedures to follow.

 

Just now, Badger said:

Does  the club, or his representatives, now get opportunity to make their plea , or do they (the FA) now just go away for another wankathon behind closed doors to decide the fate ? 

Yes, saintant, “procedures to follow”, that was the phrase I was looking for.

[Weston Super Saint]

17 minutes ago, Badger said:

Fair point, but could they bring a charge on Bielsa, if there hadn’t been an ‘offence’ or misconduct as far as the League were concerned at the time ? 

The FA rules are separate to the EFL rules, but they existed for Bielsa.

Why the FA didn't charge him only they know....

[Willo of Whiteley]

Woah, woah, woah.

At lunchtime it was thought that he wouldn’t be banned and now it’s rumoured (albeit by the Guardian) that he will?

Has he strangled kittens or something over the afternoon? What’s gone on?

[pimpin4rizeal]

43 minutes ago, egg said:

Because he's not the club. 

The get have been punished for what they did.

Tonda will now be punished, as an individual, for what he did. 

Is anyone disputing that what he did doesn't amount to misconduct? 

To be honest the intern is the one who done it .. if tonda asked him to jump off a cliff would he do that as well .. I bet the intern won’t get punished at all though 

[pimpin4rizeal]

55 minutes ago, egg said:

Because he's not the club. 

The get have been punished for what they did.

Tonda will now be punished, as an individual, for what he did. 

Is anyone disputing that what he did doesn't amount to misconduct? 

Also maybe if  we had any sense about it maybe dragon himself or the club them self should of just taken the blame on themselves instead of letting of letting tonda .. what could they do  then ..Ban dragan? Surely there is people above tonda who greenlighted  this too it shouldn’t be all at his door 

Edited 3 hours ago by pimpin4rizeal

[Badger]

52 minutes ago, saintant said:

The following is quoted from the FA regarding possible sanctions for breach of rule E3.1

• Sporting sanctions: Suspension from matches (length varies by level and seriousness — e.g., low: 0–2 matches, mid: 1–3 matches, high: 3–6 matches in the National League System)

No mention of lengthy bans so this surely implies they'd be on dodgy ground if they hit Eckert with anything more than a 6 match ban unless they consider his offence was well above high level of seriousness.

But probably nowhere near severe enough for Gibbo and his assorted media chums.

 

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, Badger said:

But probably nowhere near severe enough for Gibbo and his assorted media chums.

 

Only the guillotine will be good enough for those bellends.

[hypochondriac]

Reading the caveats in the reporting, the "up to six months" ban is pote tally good news. That means that six months is potentially the absolute upper limit for a ban. Maybe this is before mitigation, legal argument from our side about proportionality etc.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

After Bielsa:-

A statement from the Football Association read: "The FA has on this occasion decided to conclude this matter by issuing formal warnings against Leeds United FC, Leeds manager Marcelo Bielsa and a club video analyst.

"Notwithstanding The FA's decision on this occasion, The FA will take appropriate action should further evidence of this nature come to light in the future."

Note the fluffy, open ended "on this occasion" and an assumption that the "appropriate " action to be taken should other offences "come to light in the future" refers just to Leeds, which is doesn't explicitly state.

So, could be anything. Didn't need Chat GPT for that.  🙂

I do recall Solak saying that if Tonda can't coach (extended ban) then it would impact Tonda's position, as they'd obviously need a manager.

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, Badger said:

But probably nowhere near severe enough for Gibbo and his assorted media chums.

 

Henry Winter will be apoplectic if the FA judge doesn't put on his black cap.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

14 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

To be honest the intern is the one who done it .. if tonda asked him to jump off a cliff would he do that as well .. I bet the intern won’t get punished at all though 

Bad time to mention Will Salt is from Leamington Spa? 🙂

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Reading the caveats in the reporting, the "up to six months" ban is pote tally good news. That means that six months is potentially the absolute upper limit for a ban. Maybe this is before mitigation, legal argument from our side about proportionality etc.

The Athletic report that sources at the club are confident Tonda will receive no ban.

[Colinjb]

Just now, saintant said:

The Athletic report that sources at the club are confident Tonda will receive no ban.

Wonder if it's the same sources that were confident we wouldn't be kicked out of the play-offs.

This just feels wrong. 

[saintant]

Just now, Colinjb said:

Wonder if it's the same sources that were confident we wouldn't be kicked out of the play-offs.

This just feels wrong. 

You'd think they'd be very careful about getting over confident of a light punishment after the EFL ban from play-off final.

[Saint NL]

6 minutes ago, saintant said:

The Athletic report that sources at the club are confident Tonda will receive no ban.

The Athletic reports that Saint NL is confident of having relations with Sydney Sweeney.

[Badger]

9 minutes ago, saintant said:

The Athletic report that sources at the club are confident Tonda will receive no ban.

Les would be relaxed about it. Nothing more to add. 

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

The Athletic reports that Saint NL is confident of having relations with Sydney Sweeney.

Missed that one 🙂

[coalman]

A ban was always a possibility. We gambled by keeping him on now we have to see how it plays out. Let's face it, it was an understandable gamble given our recent managerial appointments.

[Roboze]

A Ban is utterly pointless, he'll just sit in the stands and relay orders, it'll just be a box ticking exercise.

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Wonder if it's the same sources that were confident we wouldn't be kicked out of the play-offs.

This just feels wrong. 

Indeed. Not sure why the club would know much at this point.

[ant]

Throwing our weight behind Tonda was a strong message, but there was an inherent risk to putting it all on red.

There's been an arrogance from day dot that we'd escape with a slap on the wrist. I've seen little to no evidence our leadership has learned from it.

Did they expect the FA investigation to pass without incident? Or was their master plan really to hope the ball wouldn't land on black?

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, Roboze said:

A Ban is utterly pointless, he'll just sit in the stands and relay orders, it'll just be a box ticking exercise.

How far reaching is a ban ? Is it solely a touchline ban or does it extend to training ground and all involvement? 

Could be either I suppose 

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Saint Keef said:

Once again, the BBC are all over this like a fucking rash. They do love a bit of controvesy. However their so-called researchers didn't seem to be able to find out that the legend, who was Kevin Keegan, played 80 times for Saints. Sorry chaps - needed to get that off my chest. Cheers.

I heard Southampton being mentioned as a club KK played for on BBC radio and TV loads of times in the last couple of days.

Honestly some people are fucking mental.

[Roboze]

8 minutes ago, Badger said:

How far reaching is a ban ? Is it solely a touchline ban or does it extend to training ground and all involvement? 

Could be either I suppose 

I wonder if getting bloke with a phone to film your own players training is against the rules? 🤣

[Challenger]

13 minutes ago, coalman said:

A ban was always a possibility. We gambled by keeping him on now we have to see how it plays out. Let's face it, it was an understandable gamble given our recent managerial appointments.

SR always like a good gamble, that's why they're so naive.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Woah, woah, woah.

At lunchtime it was thought that he wouldn’t be banned and now it’s rumoured (albeit by the Guardian) that he will?

Has he strangled kittens or something over the afternoon? What’s gone on?

Thought by???

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Thought by???

Alfie house and the athletic have both reported that they didn't think he would get a ban.

[Toadhall Saint]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

Agree although there will be procedures to follow.

So they have only just charged him? Feck me it was admitted months ago 

[Tom & Gerry]

So nothing has actually happened today that we didn't know was going to happen for the last couple of months?

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Tom & Gerry said:

So nothing has actually happened today that we didn't know was going to happen for the last couple of months?

well yes, something did happen. He has been formally charged by the FA.

[Forester]

4 hours ago, ally_uk said:

So what's the actual punishment?

Do you have next week’s lottery winning numbers?

[Harry_SFC]

42 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

well yes, something did happen. He has been formally charged by the FA.

Well yes but we knew that was going to happen, because Tonda admitted to breaking the rules. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Harry_SFC said:

Well yes but we knew that was going to happen, because Tonda admitted to breaking the rules. 

we assumed it, but now we have formally been told

[Starksj1995]

This should been sorted weeks ago we know the EFL had to send over the evidence to the fa and they took there time to be through about it Tonda was interviewed in London 3 weeks ago less than a month before the season starts but worrying he get banned tbh what he did was wrong bullying staff etc and he has admitted it which would go in his favour 

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

I heard Southampton being mentioned as a club KK played for on BBC radio and TV loads of times in the last couple of days.

Honestly some people are fucking mental.

Yep, likewise. They're obviously not going to be mentioning Saints in the headlines as we very obviously weren't the top highlight of his career (not saying he didn't like his time here but we obviously put more weight on his time here than he probably did), but he's definitely been mentioned in the reporting that I've seen.

[Pamplemousse]

The timing is interesting, we'll be in Germany probably when any decision is announced. Maybe we can get around any ban by Tonda coaching the team out there, and then flying the team in and out for every game...

 

for clarity, I am not being serious

[Tom & Gerry]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

well yes, something did happen. He has been formally charged by the FA.

Was there anyone who thought he wouldn't be?

[AlexLaw76]

10 minutes ago, Tom & Gerry said:

Was there anyone who thought he wouldn't be?

Some, I think...but it is now official

Edited 1 hour ago by AlexLaw76

[Saint Pete]

6 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

You are making a huge assumption here. SR aren’t mugs. They will know what the possible outcomes are. Any company makes contingency plans for worst case scenarios and it is not SR’s fault that the FA have taken so long to deal with this matter.

No, it's not the club's fault that the FA have taken so long. But I feel they could have been far more vocal in applying pressure to speed things up. Can't help feeling that a bigger, better connected club wouldn't have been meekly sitting back waiting for the FA's open-ended process to play out, so that we end up with a decision and potential ban looming right at the start of the season. They would have at least been making it known through media channels that the club are keen for matter to be resolved quickly and feel it would be unacceptable for FA to drag their feet on it all summer.

[Teamsaint1]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

I heard Southampton being mentioned as a club KK played for on BBC radio and TV loads of times in the last couple of days.

Honestly some people are fucking mental.

The big BBC report failed to mention anything about his time with us, which included his best ever goal tally for a season. It was poor journalism . 

[StrangelyBrown]

3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The FA rules are separate to the EFL rules, but they existed for Bielsa.

Why the FA didn't charge him only they know....

Because they are more bent than a banana?