Tonda Eckert

[James]

3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

what a load of nonsense. The club benefited from cheating and can be punished as a club. Tonda was the instigator and lead on the cheating and can also be punished as an individual.

It absolutely can be "one or the other" as we have seen when organisations (like NHS trusts) are punished and then individuals in that organisation are also punished.

There's no two bites of the cherry, just Saints and Saints fans moaning. Get over it.

Thank god you aren’t a defence lawyer 😂 - you did wrong, get over it, no matter what the punishment is. 

[qwertyell]

2 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

Can we please get a fkin ban on people posting “ChatGPT thinks this” ?

But then they'd have to post their own thoughts - and that's a sinister, garbled can of worms you don't want to open. 

[Sunglasses Ron]

Tonda should be appropriately punished.

My concern is that, if the punishment the club received is anything to go by, he'll be paraded butt-naked through the streets of Portsmouth with rotten fruit thrown at him by a baying mob. "Shame"! 

[CB Fry]

18 minutes ago, James said:

Thank god you aren’t a defence lawyer 😂 - you did wrong, get over it, no matter what the punishment is. 

Any lawyer will be dealing with mitigation as we have already admitted we did it. Your mistake is to think we are formulating a defence, we aren't, we are mitigating the scale of the punishment.

 

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Any lawyer will be dealing with mitigation as we have already admitted we did it. Your mistake is to think we are formulating a defence, we aren't, we are mitigating the scale of the punishment.

 

I can absolutely see the logic in him getting charged. My only quarrel is with the perceived double standard between the warning for Bielsa and the charge for Tonda when on the face of it the Bielsa FA rule breach is more egregious.

[ally_uk]

So what's the actual punishment?

[James]

19 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Any lawyer will be dealing with mitigation as we have already admitted we did it. Your mistake is to think we are formulating a defence, we aren't, we are mitigating the scale of the punishment.

 

I’m not making that mistake, everyone knows we accepted the EFL charges. I fully accept we’ve done wrong and that the Club have accepted the charge. It’s possible for us to argue that the scale of the punishment is disproportionate. Your response to anyone who suggests that the Club might already have been punished enough seems to be that they should just “get over it”. 

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

2 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

So what's the actual punishment?

He has to spy on Portsmouth. Poor sod.

[CB Fry]

3 minutes ago, James said:

I’m not making that mistake, everyone knows we accepted the EFL charges. I fully accept we’ve done wrong and that the Club have accepted the charge. It’s possible for us to argue that the scale of the punishment is disproportionate. Your response to anyone who suggests that the Club might already have been punished enough seems to be that they should just “get over it”. 

The club have been punished. Where have I said they haven't?

Tonda has not been punished as an individual and he will be. People churning out bullshit analogies to convince themselves he won't be can crack on but they will be disappointed.

[SaintsLoyal]

We reap what we sow, and with over ten people fully aware of what was going on at Staplewood, nobody can complain about the actions being taken by the EFL or FA.

The beleaguered Head of Media, Jordan Sibley, and Hoover salesman Phil Parsons are both totally out of their depth, as has been proven countless times—especially by the amateurish response to the EFL charges.

Even this club statement stinks a bit of arrogance, saying, "Our focus remains on preparations for the Championship season." That's not something you should be saying in a statement about FA charges.

 

[James]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

The club have been punished. Where have I said they haven't?

Tonda has not been punished as an individual and he will be. People churning out bullshit analogies to convince themselves he won't be can crack on but they will be disappointed.

Didn’t say that you said the Club hadn’t been punished. Two further thoughts:

1. Banning the manager 3 weeks before the start of a new season is another punishment levied on the club (and fans), it’s not just an individual sanction, it completely screws the entire organisation.

2. Tonda has been punished as a result of the sanctions imposed on the club already - he’s lost out on the chance to manage in the PL and the earnings associated with that.

You cant separate out the punishments into “club” sanctions and “individual” sanctions. I know that’s not what the authorities will say and I know that it’s not necessarily how the rules technically operate given the independent processes of the FA and the EFL but it doesn’t feel in any way proportionate to the level of the offence if, as we all fear, we end up being kicked out of the playoffs, starting on -4 AND having our manager suspended for a long period on the eve of the season. It was a kid standing behind a tree with an iPhone, not match fixing. 

[Sunglasses Ron]

9 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Tonda has not been punished as an individual and he will be.

I'd argue that he has definitely been punished...

>Incurring the wrath of fans, players etc.

>Reputation in tatters

>Police protection required in the days after we were thrown out of the playoffs

>Deprived of a potentially nice pay rise if we'd been promoted

If I was him, I'd be going in heavily on the impact this has already had in the hope that this results in limited additional sanctions.

Edited 42 minutes ago by Sunglasses Ron

[Toussaint]

8 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

We reap what we sow, and with over ten people fully aware of what was going on at Staplewood, nobody can complain about the actions being taken by the EFL or FA.

The beleaguered Head of Media, Jordan Sibley, and Hoover salesman Phil Parsons are both totally out of their depth, as has been proven countless times—especially by the amateurish response to the EFL charges.

Even this club statement stinks a bit of arrogance, saying, "Our focus remains on preparations for the Championship season." That's not something you should be saying in a statement about FA charges.

 

You call yourself Saints Loyal but everything you post seems to imply loathing of the whole club?

[The Kraken]

9 minutes ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

I'd argue that he has definitely been punished...

>Incurring the wrath of fans, players etc.

>Reputation in tatters

>Police protection required in the days after we were thrown out of the playoffs

>Deprived of a potentially nice pay rise if we'd been promoted

If I was him, I'd be going in heavily on the impact this has already had in the hope that this results in limited additional sanctions.

Dear FA, please don’t ban me, I didn’t get a pay rise and some fans said hurts words.

Yep, that should work.

[newyork]

17 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

We reap what we sow, and with over ten people fully aware of what was going on at Staplewood, nobody can complain about the actions being taken by the EFL or FA.

The beleaguered Head of Media, Jordan Sibley, and Hoover salesman Phil Parsons are both totally out of their depth, as has been proven countless times—especially by the amateurish response to the EFL charges.

Even this club statement stinks a bit of arrogance, saying, "Our focus remains on preparations for the Championship season." That's not something you should be saying in a statement about FA charges.

 

what a load of pathetic clap. Saints Loyal - I think you need to look at yourself. 

[Sunglasses Ron]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

Dear FA, please don’t ban me, I didn’t get a pay rise and some fans said hurts words.

Yep, that should work.

Do you honestly think he (and his family) didn't have a really rough time when everything blew up?

Outlining the impact this has already had on him, and re-affirming his remorse, are surely the two main ways he will escape a significant FA punishment.

[sfc4prem]

The optimist in me makes me hope that the punishment will be minimal - either some touchline bans or an indefinite suspended ban to come into place if he commits the same offence again. 

I hope they don't go in too hard on the young chap.

[bugenhagen]

17 minutes ago, James said:

Didn’t say that you said the Club hadn’t been punished. Two further thoughts:

1. Banning the manager 3 weeks before the start of a new season is another punishment levied on the club (and fans), it’s not just an individual sanction, it completely screws the entire organisation.

2. Tonda has been punished as a result of the sanctions imposed on the club already - he’s lost out on the chance to manage in the PL and the earnings associated with that.

You cant separate out the punishments into “club” sanctions and “individual” sanctions. I know that’s not what the authorities will say and I know that it’s not necessarily how the rules technically operate given the independent processes of the FA and the EFL but it doesn’t feel in any way proportionate to the level of the offence if, as we all fear, we end up being kicked out of the playoffs, starting on -4 AND having our manager suspended for a long period on the eve of the season. It was a kid standing behind a tree with an iPhone, not match fixing. 

1) They don’t see it that way. The proses takes the time it does, and if the timing happens to be bad for us, it’s not a mitigation factor. 

2) Again, the won’t view his potential loss of earnings, reputation and opportunities as punishment. 

I think a lot are looking at it from our point of view, but we should be looking at it from their perspective. 

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

Gibson is gong to have the baby taken away.

Gibson is Herod

[AlexLaw76]

May as well start the New Manager thread.

 

he will get a ban the would destroy the start of the season IMO

Edited 1 minute ago by AlexLaw76