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Opens a can of worms, we'll end up with clubs taking out lawsuits against each other , lawyers will be delighted but the game is so far removed from the every day fan with all this nonsense 

Expect the appeal will take a while to be heard 

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obelisk

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It's getting to the stage where there'll be no point playing actual games of football. Get in a decent defence of highly paid lawyers and promotion will be available without even having to kick a ball soon.

I have to ask whether standing behind a tree with a camera watching events going on in public view is a better or worse offence than this though.

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West Dean FC Legend

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Interesting response from Everton, ummm not saying they didn't do it, just saying it wasn't fair. Errrrr....the rules were there, it is your job to know them, you can't make excuses afterwards. So you are guilty of doing what you were charged with:

The club said in a statement they were "clear in the belief the ruling is fundamentally flawed in both law and fact".

"This ruling sets a dangerous and unworkable precedent for English football, given it is constructed on a principle that a club can be in breach of financial rules at any point in a financial year," the statement said.

Soton7

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It sounds like the Premier League, EFL, FA and FIFA are a bunch of corrupt wankers who couldn’t run a bath. Absolutely useless.

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DellBlockH

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It makes you wonder how any football club can plan for the future. Everton were punished at the time and, presumably, thought that was it. Any claim by Burnley (or any other club) should have been dealt with then. The same goes for our recent transgression. Deal with it summarily and move on. Having several goes at the same offence helps no-one. 

Moving on to any claim against us that Middlesbrough might contemplate, I think it would be difficult for them to show that our spying denied them Premier League football. They rather managed that on their own.

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DellBlockH

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5 minutes ago, West Dean FC Legend said:

Interesting response from Everton, ummm not saying they didn't do it, just saying it wasn't fair. Errrrr....the rules were there, it is your job to know them, you can't make excuses afterwards. So you are guilty of doing what you were charged with:

The club said in a statement they were "clear in the belief the ruling is fundamentally flawed in both law and fact".

"This ruling sets a dangerous and unworkable precedent for English football, given it is constructed on a principle that a club can be in breach of financial rules at any point in a financial year," the statement said.

They are not saying that they didn’t commit the offence or that they shouldn't be punished (they were). They are saying that they cannot be held financially liable for Burnley's relegation. 

Turkish

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2 minutes ago, Soton7 said:

It sounds like the Premier League, EFL, FA and FIFA are a bunch of corrupt wankers who couldn’t run a bath. Absolutely useless.

didnt you know already?

SWLondon Saint

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Jesus, what a mess. Can't see this ending well for anyone except the lawyers.

I remember someone was saying in the spygate thread that a lot of football, despite the big money, is really badly / incompetently run. This kind of thing just proves that....

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West Dean FC Legend

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51 minutes ago, DellBlockH said:

They are not saying that they didn’t commit the offence or that they shouldn't be punished (they were). They are saying that they cannot be held financially liable for Burnley's relegation. 

Thanks for that - you can tell I was an electrician for a while 😂

I would say that if they broke those rules, in Premiership football these clearly has an effect on your squad/managment and therefore it must affect results - therefore Burnley can easily claim what they did. Whether it is a much as that who knows but you can definitely argue that without such an advantage Everton may not have stayed up and Burnley might have - you can't prove it but you can't disprove it either. 

Anyway tactics - oh never mind them - who cares?! 🙃

bpsaint

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Why were we considering legal action? For the following season to Burnley going down I’m guessing, 2022/23? Trying to establish why Forest were also considering legal action against Everton?

die Mannyschaft

die Mannyschaft

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Does that then mean teams who finished 2nd or 3rd in Premier League when City won leaque could then sue City if they get done for 115 breaches. The same could be done for a relegated team for teams that missed out on a europe place, a final or semi final in leawue Cup or FA cup.

This is a dream ruling for lawyers 

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Lallana's Left Peg

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I think Everton are right - this sets a dangerous and ridiculous precedent that most importantly doesn't have boundaries or can be proven.  The ruling says Everton breaking the rules 'probably' impacted Burnley's ability to stay in the division.  Where do you draw the line?  Sue for red cards and simulation? It's all conjecture.

What we actually need are strong and respected football authorities who have clear rules, clear punishments for breaking those rules, and apply those rules equally and fairly independent of the size of the club.  Then none of this nonsense would happen.

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rallyboy

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So Everton have clearly brought the game into disrepute - as have West Ham with their owner, so I guess they're both heading for League One at least.

Add in Man City getting liquidated for their charges, Chelsea and Liverpool getting hit for their misdemeanours and anyone who has ever played Man City or Leicester seeking compensation and it's going to be a complex season.

Especially if Hull don't raise the immediate sales income to save them from having to pay ALL of us compensation...

We could be minted by August. 

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Osvaldorama

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Absolute farce. Stupid decision as much as I hate Everton and want to laugh at them. 
 

We should sue Leicester now for getting promoted whilst in breach of financial regulations. They cost us an autos place 

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Holmes_and_Watson

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1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

So Everton have clearly brought the game into disrepute - as have West Ham with their owner, so I guess they're both heading for League One at least.

Add in Man City getting liquidated for their charges, Chelsea and Liverpool getting hit for their misdemeanours and anyone who has ever played Man City or Leicester seeking compensation and it's going to be a complex season.

Especially if Hull don't raise the immediate sales income to save them from having to pay ALL of us compensation...

We could be minted by August. 

I look forward to Corinthian FC being crowned PL champions, following the retroactive punishments imposed across the history of football.

Stripey McStripe Shirt

Stripey McStripe Shirt

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11 hours ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Does that then mean teams who finished 2nd or 3rd in Premier League when City won leaque could then sue City if they get done for 115 breaches. The same could be done for a relegated team for teams that missed out on a europe place, a final or semi final in leawue Cup or FA cup.

This is a dream ruling for lawyers 

Why only teams that finished 2nd or 3rd? There's an argument that all teams that finished below them could have finished higher in the table and therefore lost some degree of income as a result.

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sfc4prem

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We should sue Portsmouth for financial breaches in 2005/06 that contributed to our relegation and therefore ultimately our administration and -10, too.

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Saint86

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16 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Think Everton are appealing. Also is this worse cheating than Spying ?

Funny if they say to Burnley, they can have Dibling instead.

 

Yes, financially doping your team across multiple seasons is blatantly more impact than scouting a team a inside an arbitrary window.

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Saint86

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15 hours ago, saintant said:

It's getting to the stage where your team of lawyers is more important than your team of players.

I've just said similar to an Everton supporting mate (whilst rubbing his face in it - as he did to us over Spygate 😄). He then started moaning about Burnley cheating against them on the pitch in 2 matches... We're getting to the point now where any result can be challenged due to "cheating", and where results will be determined by clubs' legal line ups and settled in the courts. Total mess!

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TheAlehouseBrawlers

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1 hour ago, sfc4prem said:

We should sue Portsmouth for financial breaches in 2005/06 that contributed to our relegation and therefore ultimately our administration and -10, too.

It’s certainly something to think about….the charity and taxpayer thieves got promoted and won an FA Cup with players they couldn’t afford and shouldn’t have had like the ones that turned the FA Cup game at St Mary’s when we were in L1 and well on top of the (then) PL cheats.

Would be sweet wouldn’t it…..

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Stu Man Do

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Presumably if Man City get punished soon we will argue it's cost us an FA cup final and sue them for compensation as well? 

Didn't we also miss out on all that lovely Champions League cash by 3 points back in 2016/17? Also due to Man City and Chelsea and their financial shenanigans! 

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saintant

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Just now, LiberalCommunist said:

If Man City are found guilty, then everyone has a claim, right? That is how this works now. 

 

The Premier League will make sure one of their main cash cows gets away with it in my opinion.

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warsash saint

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2 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

If Man City are found guilty, then everyone has a claim, right? That is how this works now. 

 

Surely the FA Cup Final will need to be replayed with us in the Final 🙃

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Saint86

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6 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

Surely the FA Cup Final will need to be replayed with us in the Final 🙃

We'd have to play Middlesbrough away (us with a 3 goal deficit) before being allowed anywhere near the final.

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disconnect

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I think the key question here is how much Middlesbrough would now be due from Burnley, for Burnley having the cheek to beat them when they were relegated into the Championship instead of PSR cheats Everton. Burnley should've stood aside, as Boro would've without doubt (according to the Northern Echo) smashed Everton, triggering an unstoppable march to the Championship title. 

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