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Until end of play today.

 

Echo headlines:

 

Pinnacle bid still running

Crouch funding players wages

Talks in deadlocks

 

also

 

"The Echo understands Fry has been in contact with the consortium being fronted by Marc Jackson & Stuart Green for the first time since they lodged a bid for the club"

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As i posted on the other thread it states Crouch has funded some of the wages both last month and this which is on top of the 50k he put in.

Pinnacle say they are still working on it and are still confident.

Also says Fry has re contacted Jackson and co and that an overseas consortium remain very interested.

It goes on to say that Crouch has taken a lot of stick from fans but at the end of the day he is the only one who has dug into his pocket.

Cant argue with that

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Until end of play today.

 

Echo headlines:

 

Pinnacle bid still running

Crouch funding players wages

Talks in deadlocks

 

also

 

"The Echo understands Fry has been in contact with the consortium being fronted by Marc Jackson & Stuart Green for the first time since they lodged a bid for the club"

 

Being cynical, I would ask the question why?

 

I do hope Mr Fry didn't put all his eggs in only one basket

or

Didn't like the bid value at the time and something changed

or

They didn't prove funds

or

He didn't like/believe them

 

Seeing as they had a publicised meeting on 7th May seems a long time not to talk to a bidder

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As i posted on the other thread it states Crouch has funded some of the wages both last month and this which is on top of the 50k he put in.

Pinnacle say they are still working on it and are still confident.

Also says Fry has re contacted Jackson and co and that an overseas consortium remain very interested.

It goes on to say that Crouch has taken a lot of stick from fans but at the end of the day he is the only one who has dug into his pocket.

Cant argue with that

 

Would be nice to think that Crouch might engender a bit more respect in these parts.

 

I wonder if he will be given the apprporiate level of respect if we end up finding a buyer, since it is almost certain his contributions (HIS, not Lowe's, not Wilde's, not the players, not Illingsworth's and his rabble's) will have allowed the club to survive and bridge the gap.

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Fry really is making himself look desperate. He keeps setting these deadlines and then when nothing happens justs sets another. Not surprising nothings been finalised yet, Fry's giving them all the time in the world!

 

It could be that the creditors are not accepting the bids.

 

He is simply pig-in-the-middle, imo.

 

He has a tough job, but if it is true that he has gone back to the Jackson group, maybe the creditors have reset their expectation level a little.

 

Pinnacle just come across as a bunch of BS merchants now..

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Would be nice to think that Crouch might engender a bit more respect in these parts.

 

I wonder if he will be given the apprporiate level of respect if we end up finding a buyer, since it is almost certain his contributions (HIS, not Lowe's, not Wilde's, not the players, not Illingsworth's and his rabble's) will have allowed the club to survive and bridge the gap.

 

 

I am sure that Lowe still supports the Saints - he is just too much of a tight wad to match Leon's contributions.

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It could be that the creditors are not accepting the bids.

 

He is simply pig-in-the-middle, imo.

 

He has a tough job, but if it is true that he has gone back to the Jackson group, maybe the creditors have reset their expectation level a little.

 

Pinnacle just come across as a bunch of BS merchants now..

 

I think it is more along the lines of the Pinnacle group knowing they are the only realistic offer and know in the end the club will be theirs for what they are offering not what the creditors are asking for. I doubt very much they are worried about the Marc Jackson bid, after all it's been in for ages if it was any good surely they would be preferred bidders atleast by now.

 

I also believe Mark Fry knows this which is why the deadlines keep getting reset. IMHO the Pinnacle bid is more than liquidation is worth but less than the creditors want. It will be accepted soon.

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I think it is more along the lines of the Pinnacle group knowing they are the only realistic offer and know in the end the club will be theirs for what they are offering not what the creditors are asking for. I doubt very much they are worried about the Marc Jackson bid, after all it's been in for ages if it was any good surely they would be preferred bidders atleast by now.

 

I also believe Mark Fry knows this which is why the deadlines keep getting reset. IMHO the Pinnacle bid is more than liquidation is worth but less than the creditors want. It will be accepted soon.

 

It certainly looks like its between Jackson and Pinnacle, and that the creditors will have to accept one or the other soon.

 

Maybe the deadline has been extended because the stadium-only offer has gone tits-up.

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If true then thankyou mr.crouch.

I'm not his biggest fan but at least he is doing something to right the wrongs,something I doubt lowe and Wilde will do.

I hope that pinnacle or any other group recognize crouch's generosity when they get their act together.

 

He deserves a non-exec directorship.

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If Crouch has inded gifted money to the club to pay wages and keep us alfoat in these dark times then he will inded get the respect from me that deserves - but call me cynical, its only a rumour and from what source? Also, a few days back someone mentioned (FF or UP?) that he had been willing to 'LOAN' the club cash to keep in going rather than gift it... so if true great hes the man, but would like to see some evidence rather than rumour on a fan site

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Until end of play today.

 

Echo headlines:

 

Pinnacle bid still running

Crouch funding players wages

Talks in deadlocks

 

also

 

"The Echo understands Fry has been in contact with the consortium being fronted by Marc Jackson & Stuart Green for the first time since they lodged a bid for the club"

 

I find it amazing that Fry has just been dealing with 1 group all this time. I thought the 30 were wittled down to just 2 or 3? Surly until a perferred bidder is decided then all groups should get equal treatment?

 

Its no wonder that the deadline keeps getting moved as Fry hasnt got any other options either because the others wernt good enough (if so why was the 30 knocked down to 2 or 3?) or he hasnt kept the other partys in the loop.

 

Hats off to Crouch and he will get much more respect than any of the others if its true about him paying the wages. I think the other main partys should be dragged out of there dark corners by there balls and made to share the load of keeping the club afloat for the time being.

 

I will always remember the main 3 for screwing the club up in various ways but I will also remember Crouch for keeping the club going in its darkest time.

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If Crouch has inded gifted money to the club to pay wages and keep us alfoat in these dark times then he will inded get the respect from me that deserves - but call me cynical' date=' its only a rumour and from what source? Also, a few days back someone mentioned (FF or UP?) that he had been willing to 'LOAN' the club cash to keep in going rather than gift it... so if true great hes the man, but would like to see some evidence rather than rumour on a fan site[/quote']

 

I guess the evidence will be the wages going out on Thursday, isn't the rumour from the paper not just this forum.

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I find it amazing that Fry has just been dealing with 1 group all this time. I thought the 30 were wittled down to just 2 or 3? Surly until a perferred bidder is decided then all groups should get equal treatment?

 

Its no wonder that the deadline keeps getting moved as Fry hasnt got any other options either because the others wernt good enough (if so why was the 30 knocked down to 2 or 3?) or he hasnt kept the other partys in the loop.

 

Hats off to Crouch and he will get much more respect than any of the others if its true about him paying the wages. I think the other main partys should be dragged out of there dark corners by there balls and made to share the load of keeping the club afloat for the time being.

 

I will always remember the main 3 for screwing the club up in various ways but I will also remember Crouch for keeping the club going in its darkest time.

 

Fry has to create the illusion that its not a one horse race.

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I guess the evidence will be the wages going out on Thursday, isn't the rumour from the paper not just this forum.

 

Well yesterday it was said we had enough in the coffers to pay wages and but no evidence as to what source - gift or loan or reserves - Fair play if this is true, but sorry, do we really believe everything posted on here or printed in the Echo? Seems to meif pro CRouch its instantly 'TRUE' but this is not applied to everything consistently... afterall the paper printed and support Wildes 'investment' plans....

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If Crouch has inded gifted money to the club to pay wages and keep us alfoat in these dark times then he will inded get the respect from me that deserves - but call me cynical' date=' its only a rumour and from what source? Also, a few days back someone mentioned (FF or UP?) that he had been willing to 'LOAN' the club cash to keep in going rather than gift it... so if true great hes the man, but would like to see some evidence rather than rumour on a fan site[/quote']

 

Couldnt post without the expected "but", could you ?

 

The way you latch on to positive snippets about Lowe and portray them as gospel as a vindication of your position yet also justify it by casting doubts about positive snippets about Crouch, is truly embarassing.

 

Dont ever try to claim the moral-balanced high-ground again, will you ?

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God this is painful. One minute I am thinking that we are going to be all right and our saviour will arrive in the nick of time. The next I am looking at the end of nearly 60 years of my supporting a local football team.

Someone get us out of this mess please.

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Well yesterday it was said we had enough in the coffers to pay wages and but no evidence as to what source - gift or loan or reserves - Fair play if this is true' date=' but sorry, do we really believe everything posted on here or printed in the Echo? Seems to meif pro CRouch its instantly 'TRUE' but this is not applied to everything consistently... afterall the paper printed and support Wildes 'investment' plans....[/quote']

 

Wilde had an investment plan, that was a fact. It was **** but it was still a plan. Maybe the gift is from Lowe, time will tell.

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Couldnt post without the expected "but", could you ?

 

The way you latch on to positive snippets about Lowe and portray them as gospel as a vindication of your position yet also justify it by casting doubts about positive snippets about Crouch, is truly embarassing.

 

Dont ever try to claim the moral-balanced high-ground again, will you ?

 

Alpine just Shut teh feck up - rejoin the converstaion and debate when you have something worthwhile to say.

 

OK the plain stupid - all I have said is FACT - there is no evidence AT PRESENT to support this claim - merely rumour - same as a lot of other garbage spouted about Lowe, Wilde and CRouch - tell why its wrong to seek evidence on any of this before supporting or dismmissing things?

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Fry has to create the illusion that its not a one horse race.

 

fair enough but all he had to do was to talk to the MJ group throughout and make it known he was discussing things with more than 1 party until he has a perferred bidder. Each bid would have been aware that there was another and therefor may have got there fingers out. As it is Fry has been speaking to 1 bidder while knowing there is another that wants to talk. Pinnicle knew this and also knew that fry wasnt speaking to anyone else. Its like Pinnicle got the exclusive preferred bidder status without getting to the next stage and now Fry has to back track to try and get them to hurry up.

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Wilde had an investment plan, that was a fact. It was **** but it was still a plan. Maybe the gift is from Lowe, time will tell.

 

LOL about the Wilde plan... doubt Lowe would ever donate money - but when hell freezes over you never know... just wish we could cut through some of these rumours and not instantly jump on bandwagons based on rumour. It would certainly be a big feather in CRouch's cap if this is true and he would deserve all the respect that goes with it.

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I guess Mark Fry has to big up the other investors in the media to get Pinnacle to move a little. Like the term foreign investors, it makes them sound loaded but it could just be a car saleman from France.

 

Mon Dieu, 'kicker pneumatique' !!!

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Alpine just Shut teh feck up - rejoin the converstaion and debate when you have something worthwhile to say.

 

OK the plain stupid - all I have said is FACT - there is no evidence AT PRESENT to support this claim - merely rumour - same as a lot of other garbage spouted about Lowe, Wilde and CRouch - tell why its wrong to seek evidence on any of this before supporting or dismmissing things?

 

This is a f**king chat-site, not a court of law. You wait for your evidence - its a convenient excuse for you to refuse to acknowledge Crouch's efforts and the full magnitude of Lowe's f**k-ups.

 

Why dont you stick your hands over your ears and sing "la-la-la-la-la" very loud, or stick your hands over your eyes and pretend to be blind too ??

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I am sure that Lowe still supports the Saints - he is just too much of a tight wad to match Leon's contributions.

 

I am sure that Lowe loves money but is unable to dip into Saints to take out the equivalent of Crouch's contribution?

 

Well done Crouch, a true fan! :smt041

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I commend and thank Crouch for his generosity and activity in helping to keep the club alive during these dark times.

 

Additionally while I would not object to him having a non-key decision maker role within the clubs hierarchy, I would still seriously baulk at the thought of him having a key decision making role though.

 

As generous as he is, he remains a part of the successive failures of recent years and I very much wish to see an entire clean sweep at board level.

 

Nevertheless to place on record - Thankyou Mr Crouch.

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LOL about the Wilde plan... doubt Lowe would ever donate money - but when hell freezes over you never know... just wish we could cut through some of these rumours and not instantly jump on bandwagons based on rumour. It would certainly be a big feather in CRouch's cap if this is true and he would deserve all the respect that goes with it.

 

As Crouch seems to have loads of money it does not seem a problem for him to give it to SFC.

 

But obviously he can do with it what he wants .

 

 

However in the long term he does not seem to have enough to save the club.

 

 

Why I wonder is he not involved with the Pinnacle bid where they appear to need a another backer?

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Would be nice to think that Crouch might engender a bit more respect in these parts.

 

I wonder if he will be given the apprporiate level of respect if we end up finding a buyer, since it is almost certain his contributions (HIS, not Lowe's, not Wilde's, not the players, not Illingsworth's and his rabble's) will have allowed the club to survive and bridge the gap.

 

 

Alps - totally agree with this. While not to everyones liking Leon has been a true Saint in this.

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LOL about the Wilde plan... doubt Lowe would ever donate money - but when hell freezes over you never know... just wish we could cut through some of these rumours and not instantly jump on bandwagons based on rumour. It would certainly be a big feather in CRouch's cap if this is true and he would deserve all the respect that goes with it.

Crouchs "donations" are being reported in The Echo, so whilst you can argue about the general accuracy of the press, it is a bit more than just a rumour. It has stated that Crouch has "declined to comment on the story or the specific amounts of money involved" and I suspect that even this will split people. The anti - Crouch bunch will say that as he hasn`t commented, the story must be false, but if he admits it the same people will say he is doing it for self - publicity. He can`t win can he.

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Not doing anything except recalling what I've seen on here, but think it is only ONE lot that Crouch has paid

 

We are all fairly sure that Crouch paid the April wages (even it hasn't been published in the Echo), possibly as a secured loan in some way and many of us have thanked him for that gesture as it kept us alive and the players responded with that magnificent performance at Forest.....

 

But it's been mentioned on here that May is probably not due until NEXT Thursday, so it is unlikely he has paid out for both sets, so until that is done, I keep my thanks for the first lot and like all of us PRAY we don't need him again next week

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If one is being optimistic, this loan from Crouch could be pivital in getting the ball rolling again with Pinnacle. They clearly had reservations about stumping up the cash before securing the club, so perhaps this will clear at least one of the stumbling blocks.

 

Thank you Leon.

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Crouchs "donations" are being reported in The Echo, so whilst you can argue about the general accuracy of the press, it is a bit more than just a rumour. It has stated that Crouch has "declined to comment on the story or the specific amounts of money involved" and I suspect that even this will split people. The anti - Crouch bunch will say that as he hasn`t commented, the story must be false, but if he admits it the same people will say he is doing it for self - publicity. He can`t win can he.

 

Whether its a tenner or 350K anything he donates he deserves credit for - end of - because all I have ever said is that with all these individuals there are pros and cons and if true (and I am not sying its not, then this is very definitely a pro - as I have said time and time again - but Alpine seems unable to read those statements....

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Not doing anything except recalling what I've seen on here, but think it is only ONE lot that Crouch has paid

 

We are all fairly sure that Crouch paid the April wages (even it hasn't been published in the Echo), possibly as a secured loan in some way and many of us have thanked him for that gesture as it kept us alive and the players responded with that magnificent performance at Forest.....

 

But it's been mentioned on here that May is probably not due until NEXT Thursday, so it is unlikely he has paid out for both sets, so until that is done, I keep my thanks for the first lot and like all of us PRAY we don't need him again next week

 

isn't it needed to have cleared by this Thurs Phil?

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isn't it needed to have cleared by this Thurs Phil?

No idea myself, BUT somebody was quite adamant in Admin thread 476 or was it 232 yesterday that wages are paid on the 4th Thursday of each month. We MAY have assumed one more thing too many

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Crouchs "donations" are being reported in The Echo, so whilst you can argue about the general accuracy of the press, it is a bit more than just a rumour. It has stated that Crouch has "declined to comment on the story or the specific amounts of money involved" and I suspect that even this will split people. The anti - Crouch bunch will say that as he hasn`t commented, the story must be false, but if he admits it the same people will say he is doing it for self - publicity. He can`t win can he.

 

Dont think FC was trying to have a dig at Crouch. And doubt there will be many others that will have a pop at him either cause he is the only one of the 3 that is doing something positive for our club.

 

But I understand where FC is coming from in that all we heard was Crouch is paying the wages. The majority of people jump up and say how fantastic that is and carry on with there daily stuff. We have been told before that Crouch is ready to put his hand in his pocket and its been spouted about like he is ready to throw his money at saints and all things red and white are great. its turned out in the past that he has offered loans or only offered money if the others bend over and take one for the team or various other conditions. I got no problem with the conditions but our usual perception of his actions are usually happy clappy because he is a fan. If Lowe ever did anything it was scrutanised by 90% of the fan base, suggested there was an another motive, not believed and certainly not applauded.

 

Im not suggested Lowe did anything to applaud but just think that there are different treatments for each of the main 3.

 

Say for instance this story about Crouch paying the wages had Lowes or Wildes name in there instead of Crouch. would this thread have as many people blindly thanking him and suggesting he had place in saints history forever more for being a true fan?

 

I say again though. Hats off to Crouch because no matter what conditions there may or may not be, he seems to be the only one of the 3 that are interested in keeping SFC afloat.

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Whether its a tenner or 350K anything he donates he deserves credit for - end of - because all I have ever said is that with all these individuals there are pros and cons and if true (and I am not sying its not' date=' then this is very definitely a pro - as I have said time and time again - but Alpine seems unable to read those statements....[/quote']

Sorry Frank, this wasn`t particularly aimed at you, but there are posters on here who are so entrenched in their opposition to certain people that they are able to twist anything that those people do and turn them into negatives. 19C springs to mind!

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There has never been any doubt that Leon Crouch is a true fan, just that in the management of the club his heart has resulted in getting the better of his head and judgement. The fact that he is footing the wages bill shows that he is confident of a deal for the purchase of the club going through. What's more I believe he must have some involvement or is backing the Pinnacle bid.

 

Fry would be making contact with other bidders in order to try and broker a deal between various parties joining forces or buying various assets in a combined deal to satisfy the creditors. The Academy, for example, is something that could be sold off separately and be run as a separate entity. It has all the facilities and could function independantly in the way Glenn Hoddle is doing in Spain. Maybe Hoddle or one of his backers is interested in acquiring the Academy.

 

What's important is that Fry is given the time necessary to come up with a good deal that will also see the club, stadium and Academy go forward with strength in future.

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