the stain Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11768 Is this supposed to be ironic? They know what that phrase means? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 That is a bit odd. I don't think they understand what the phrase means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 "We don't need a lot of new signings because we have lot of quality young players here already, however there are specific positions that we need to strengthen in order to be competitive in League One." That would be the same quality youngesters who kept us up last year then. Specific areas yes, defence for a start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 That is a bit odd. I don't think they understand what the phrase means. Hard(l)y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11768 Is this supposed to be ironic? They know what that phrase means? :confused: Being my usual sceptical self ........ I cannot believe that Wotte would be "carrying on as usual" unless he had been told to ...... .... and if he was told to, then that means a feqw things ... SOMEBODY knows that we do have a future WOTTE knows that he has a future ..... when and if the dust settles, bit late to bring a New Manager in surely Wotte is confident that he will still have a job ..... wonder who it was that appointed him ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Interesting what he said about the simplistic style of football in league 1. Hoof it and chase, not to mention the physical aspects. Not much finesse or tactics will be required so perhaps no surprise Leicester did well with their RSM at the helm for a season. The knuckles may have to come a little higher off the floor for Leicester next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Hopefully that will be 'former' boss ver y soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Being my usual sceptical self ........ I cannot believe that Wotte would be "carrying on as usual" unless he had been told to ...... .... and if he was told to, then that means a feqw things ... SOMEBODY knows that we do have a future WOTTE knows that he has a future ..... when and if the dust settles, bit late to bring a New Manager in surely Wotte is confident that he will still have a job ..... wonder who it was that appointed him ?? Or like Crouch he is just a decent bloke trying to do the right thing and make a good impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 The phrase is used differently in Dutch, it doesn't necessarily refer to previous success anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Interesting what he said about the simplistic style of football in league 1. Hoof it and chase, not to mention the physical aspects. Not much finesse or tactics will be required so perhaps no surprise Leicester did well with their RSM at the helm for a season. The knuckles may have to come a little higher off the floor for Leicester next season. What you might say .... Saints version of The Charge Of The Light(weight) Brigade .... ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Or like Crouch he is just a decent bloke trying to do the right thing and make a good impression. I'm not saying he isn't a decent bloke .... ..... but it is just like a Woolworth's worker still bagging up sweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Interesting what he said about the simplistic style of football in league 1. Hoof it and chase, not to mention the physical aspects. Not much finesse or tactics will be required so perhaps no surprise Leicester did well with their RSM at the helm for a season. The knuckles may have to come a little higher off the floor for Leicester next season. did you actually see any of Leicester last season? They played some nice stuff, so nice try with your NP bashing ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I thought he would have resigned. Must be some serious over-confidence if he thinks a new owner would keep him. Fair enough he wants the job, but it just isn't going to happen! Unless ... he has been TOLD something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Interesting what he said about the simplistic style of football in league 1. Hoof it and chase, not to mention the physical aspects. Not much finesse or tactics will be required so perhaps no surprise Leicester did well with their RSM at the helm for a season. The knuckles may have to come a little higher off the floor for Leicester next season. DISAGREE league 1 football is very like CCC football if you want to be successful, it is about playing in the right areas, hoofing it when required, dealing with set plays at both ends of the pitch. all the things our dutch experiment did not deem important until it was to late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I thought he would have resigned. Must be some serious over-confidence if he thinks a new owner would keep him. Fair enough he wants the job, but it just isn't going to happen! It seems impossible to answer until we know who is buying the club, if anyone. I dont think its beyond the realms of fantasy to rule out Lowe now. Figures of 8 or 9 million quid to buy the club out is not big money and he could well stump up 3 or 4 to be a major shareholder and then back Wotte as he has previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 did you actually see any of Leicester last season? They played some nice stuff, so nice try with your NP bashing ;-) No I didn't Mike I have a couple of ST's for games at SMS and I don't subscribe to Sky to fatten the cats. To be fair if you got to watch Saints last season they played some nice stuff as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 DISAGREE league 1 football is very like CCC football if you want to be successful, it is about playing in the right areas, hoofing it when required, dealing with set plays at both ends of the pitch. all the things our dutch experiment did not deem important until it was to late Hopefully, one of us will be proved wrong;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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krissyboy31 Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 DISAGREE league 1 football is very like CCC football if you want to be successful, it is about playing in the right areas, hoofing it when required, dealing with set plays at both ends of the pitch. all the things our dutch experiment did not deem important until it was to late I agree and Stoke have proved that that style is not necessarily exclusive to the lower divisions, comfortably escaping relegation from the Prem with the same principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 It seems impossible to answer until we know who is buying the club, if anyone. I dont think its beyond the realms of fantasy to rule out Lowe now. Figures of 8 or 9 million quid to buy the club out is not big money and he could well stump up 3 or 4 to be a major shareholder and then back Wotte as he has previously. EXACTLY what I've been saying all along....... all part of his Grand Plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Please correct me if I'm wrong, but what laurels would these be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 No I didn't Mike I have a couple of ST's for games at SMS and I don't subscribe to Sky to fatten the cats. To be fair if you got to watch Saints last season they played some nice stuff as well. Unfortunately with the CCC being a bit hoof and hope as well, our pretty stuff that we played for the first 3 months or so got us relegated. Don't think l1 is really any worse in terms of style than CCC, only the skill level is lower. Leicester played some good attractive football with a lot of young players brought in on loan by a young English manager with a lot of insight and experience in the English leagues and especially a track record working with young player. They proved that you don't have to play hoof and hope football to get our of L1, but you do need to understand the English game and how to get the best out of youngsters and the loan system. Just hope our remaining Dutch man can learn form someone like NP. BTW haing Sky is not a lot os use for watching League One, so your comments about Sky were about as relevant as the rest of the content of your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I agree and Stoke have proved that that style is not necessarily exclusive to the lower divisions, comfortably escaping relegation from the Prem with the same principles. agreed Vidic is quite prepared to find row 26 when required. our problem we had young lads like Lancashire and Gobern who had been told to bring it down and play it which works fine at staplewood where the cones did not tackle but they were never told the old maxim which has always applied in football from top level to under 7 " if in doubt kick it out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 agreed Vidic is quite prepared to find row 26 when required. our problem we had young lads like Lancashire and Gobern who had been told to bring it down and play it which works fine at staplewood where the cones did not tackle but they were never told the old maxim which has always applied in football from top level to under 7 " if in doubt kick it out" I think we used to say "if in doubt, kick the opponent out" but that was a different era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 It seems impossible to answer until we know who is buying the club, if anyone. I dont think its beyond the realms of fantasy to rule out Lowe now. Figures of 8 or 9 million quid to buy the club out is not big money and he could well stump up 3 or 4 to be a major shareholder and then back Wotte as he has previously. If almost nobody else in the UK can make the figures ad up to make us look an attractive proposition - then a former chairman whose mere presence would take a few thousand off the gate certainly wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 agreed Vidic is quite prepared to find row 26 when required. our problem we had young lads like Lancashire and Gobern who had been told to bring it down and play it which works fine at staplewood where the cones did not tackle but they were never told the old maxim which has always applied in football from top level to under 7 " if in doubt kick it out" Surely any player worth his salt in any league at all when under pressure and not sure of the situation at the back just hoofs it away - no one scores when they've got the ball near their own corner flag - unless they are playing Saints that is. I'm pretty sure that Nigel Pearson has done something personal to Nineteen Canteen because he sure has a pop at him at any opportunity he can. Strange that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Even Alan Hansen concedes that there are times when you just have to 'launch it'. After all, nobody ever scored from the Royal Box. And another thing.... why do the centre-backs pass the ball back to the goalkeeper just so that he can boot it downfield? Are they too embarrassed to do it themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I seriously would hope that Wotte will not be offered the job on the basis that if we get a new owner they will have higher ambitions and will want a manager that has considerable experience in the English leagues. However, if beggars are to be choosers and there's no money to find a better individual, then I think we could do worse than keep some consistency and hope Wotte understands what is needed to re-build a good team capable of stringing quite a few wins together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Interesting what he said about the simplistic style of football in league 1. Hoof it and chase, not to mention the physical aspects. Not much finesse or tactics will be required so perhaps no surprise Leicester did well with their RSM at the helm for a season. The knuckles may have to come a little higher off the floor for Leicester next season. Did you see any of Leicester's games, or are you talking out of your @R$e from a position of toal ignorance, or possibly just speaking as someone totally ignorant? They played some very good football - better than what we saw at SMS - and had a fair few youngsters too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 when he says talking to out of contract players does he mean Davis et al or players that were at other clubs? I hope the latter as it shows that there is some sort of scouting systerm behind the scenes even if it is filled by people that don't seem to be able to differentiate between their arse and elbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 The phrase is used differently in Dutch, it doesn't necessarily refer to previous success anymore. I'd never actually understood it to have had any relevance to former glories, though on reflection there's an obvious link to recuperating on laurel wreaths like those the Romans presented for success. I'd just assumed your laurels were an antiquated term for a bodily area! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Did you see any of Leicester's games, or are you talking out of your @R$e from a position of toal ignorance, or possibly just speaking as someone totally ignorant? They played some very good football - better than what we saw at SMS - and had a fair few youngsters too. I'm more interested in the spin on the OS designed to make us all think the manager is informed about the division and we're going to be more prepared for a physical battle next season, even though 1) I wouldn't say Lge 1 was that much more physical anyway, just slightly less skilful generally 2) We're clearly not going to be any more prepared given the current situation and the handicap of preparing late. In terms of Wotte carrying on regardless, he's already said that he has a contract with Saints as manager until July, and if that's not renewed he's still got his original role. Unlike the players, for whom rest from physical exertions is integral to their summer break, he doesn't get a tangible rest as such, so why wouldn't he carry on - he'd breach his contract otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Wotte + Diamond = Crap. I'm not going to spend another season watching wingless crap whatever the league we are in. The methodology of last years management was seriously flawed. Half the season one up front, the rest of the season, the diamond. All season nobody wide either side, which blunted our attacking, reduced the number of goals, and left the defence wide open. A penalty taker who scuffs the ball, a potential star allegedly, who can't kick the ball, delivery from free kicks and corners that wouldn't be tolerated in the tyro league. Somebody has to get real over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Wotte + Diamond = Crap. I'm not going to spend another season watching wingless crap whatever the league we are in. The methodology of last years management was seriously flawed. Half the season one up front, the rest of the season, the diamond. All season nobody wide either side, which blunted our attacking, reduced the number of goals, and left the defence wide open. A penalty taker who scuffs the ball, a potential star allegedly, who can't kick the ball, delivery from free kicks and corners that wouldn't be tolerated in the tyro league. Somebody has to get real over this. Based on radio and friends at matches and reports on here +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Wotte + Diamond = Crap. I'm not going to spend another season watching wingless crap whatever the league we are in. The methodology of last years management was seriously flawed. Half the season one up front, the rest of the season, the diamond. All season nobody wide either side, which blunted our attacking, reduced the number of goals, and left the defence wide open. A penalty taker who scuffs the ball, a potential star allegedly, who can't kick the ball, delivery from free kicks and corners that wouldn't be tolerated in the tyro league. Somebody has to get real over this. Umm, really ? Despite us playing with 3 up for most of it ? No-one other than Holmes doing it effectively beyond September, no, but numerous occasions where we had plenty of width from the likes of Smith and Lallana and Skacel overlapping before the usually ineffective crosses. It wasn't position, it was execution. I won't be arguing about McGoldrick's failings though. I've never seen a pass bounce 20 times over 10 yards before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I like how Woote contributes to our relegation then continues on as normal safe in the knowledge he still has a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Oh someone shoot him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 "We don't need a lot of new signings because we have lot of quality young players here already, however there are specific positions that we need to strengthen in order to be competitive in League One." That would be the same quality youngesters who kept us up last year then. Specific areas yes, defence for a start! .....and attack.....and midfield. Otherwise we can rest on our laurels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Can't imagine Wotte ever winning any laurels to rest on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Umm, really ? Despite us playing with 3 up for most of it ? No-one other than Holmes doing it effectively beyond September, no, but numerous occasions where we had plenty of width from the likes of Smith and Lallana and Skacel overlapping before the usually ineffective crosses. It wasn't position, it was execution. I won't be arguing about McGoldrick's failings though. I've never seen a pass bounce 20 times over 10 yards before. If it was execution then the coaches should have kept things simple that they know the players could cope with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 If it was execution then the coaches should have kept things simple that they know the players could cope with. It doesn't get THAT much simpler than being asked to hit an area vaguely in front of goal in the penalty area with a pass from 20 yards away though does it ? If players can't cross and don't create much down the middle either, and you don't have a decent goalscorer, well, you get relegated. My point was that we did have wide players and they were in the right positions to do things mostly, they (or in many cases the person they were aiming the ball at) just generally weren't up to the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Interesting what he said about the simplistic style of football in league 1. Hoof it and chase, not to mention the physical aspects. Not much finesse or tactics will be required so perhaps no surprise Leicester did well with their RSM at the helm for a season. The knuckles may have to come a little higher off the floor for Leicester next season. You really cannot tolerate that Crouch's appointee managed to keep us up and then managed to get Leicester promoted as Champions several points ahead of the second team. Even harder for you to stomach that he did it with a balanced team containing many youngsters and that they played attractive football in the process. Contrast that to the dismal failure produced by Lowe's two appointees who managed to win only four home matches all season thus reducing the numbers in the stadium and consequently the revenue, with the resultant relegation and administration. If only we had a RSM here this past season to instill some discipline, fitness and moral fibre into our kids. If only we had faith that our players with their knuckles higher off the ground would be half as effective in the third division as Leicester will be in the second division. Of course, all Leicester have to do next season is to finish up higher than one off the bottom to prove that they are better than we were this season, rendering totally spurious your contention that they somehow managed to be promoted as champions as some kind of knuckle dragging team. Many expressed opinions that there was a possibility at the start of last season that Pearson would pass us going up as we went down and so it has proven. As I expect that you might have been one of those expecting great things from the revolutionary experiment with total football, your opinions as to what constitutes an effective style of play in any division is totally and utterly risible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 He won't be resting on Laurel's what? Shoulder, backside, left booby ... I think we should be told. Another OS report that fails to deliver :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Nut Can Cut You Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Please correct me if I'm wrong, but what laurels would these be? The laurels haven't been sold yet, but it looks like they will be sold separately, so it is a good idea not to rest on them. As for Wotte, before people go ape over what he said and what it might mean, it might be helpful to actually read what he said. "I carry on as normal because I am still paid by the club to do my job and until anybody tells me that something changes then I want to be prepared to do the job next season in League One." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 The laurels haven't been sold yet, but it looks like they will be sold separately, so it is a good idea not to rest on them. As for Wotte, before people go ape over what he said and what it might mean, it might be helpful to actually read what he said. "I carry on as normal because I am still paid by the club to do my job and until anybody tells me that something changes then I want to be prepared to do the job next season in League One." I can't argue with that. It looks like sloppy journalism then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 If only we had a RSM here this past season to instill some discipline, fitness and moral fibre into our kids. If Pearson was our RSM, then I can only presume that Jan veryPoor Feet and Wotte a load of rubbish are these two: Harry Enfield: Dutch Police Posted by Ed at 5:07 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 You really cannot tolerate that Crouch's appointee managed to keep us up and then managed to get Leicester promoted as Champions several points ahead of the second team. Even harder for you to stomach that he did it with a balanced team containing many youngsters and that they played attractive football in the process. Contrast that to the dismal failure produced by Lowe's two appointees who managed to win only four home matches all season thus reducing the numbers in the stadium and consequently the revenue, with the resultant relegation and administration. If only we had a RSM here this past season to instill some discipline, fitness and moral fibre into our kids. If only we had faith that our players with their knuckles higher off the ground would be half as effective in the third division as Leicester will be in the second division. Of course, all Leicester have to do next season is to finish up higher than one off the bottom to prove that they are better than we were this season, rendering totally spurious your contention that they somehow managed to be promoted as champions as some kind of knuckle dragging team. Many expressed opinions that there was a possibility at the start of last season that Pearson would pass us going up as we went down and so it has proven. As I expect that you might have been one of those expecting great things from the revolutionary experiment with total football, your opinions as to what constitutes an effective style of play in any division is totally and utterly risible. Wes that's a lot of words that in the in conclusion is just an insult. Really you shouldn't let your mind wander like that it's to small to be let out on it's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I don't subscribe to Sky How do you manage to watch all of your teams then????? Do you have season tickets at ther grounds as well???? When there's a clash, who takes prioty???? Come on you Valiants, Lions, Pea****s, Whites etc etc etc:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 (edited) Umm, really ? Despite us playing with 3 up for most of it ? No-one other than Holmes doing it effectively beyond September, no, but numerous occasions where we had plenty of width from the likes of Smith and Lallana and Skacel overlapping before the usually ineffective crosses. It wasn't position, it was execution. I won't be arguing about McGoldrick's failings though. I've never seen a pass bounce 20 times over 10 yards before. Lallana once and we scored against Burnley, Smith on his wrong foot cutting inside all the time. Overlapping for us last season didn't happen as there was nobody to overlap, it was just a full back attacking down the left and being crowded out. Width is a two sided street, the wide attacking side and the other side coming in on the blind side to outflank the defence. We didn't get to the byeline, consequently we hardly scored a goal in the six yard box from play instead of the 60+% that good teams scored. In short we were tactically inept, pathetically naive and were relegated as a result of management incompetence. Edited 20 May, 2009 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN5_Saint Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I think it would be easy for him to walk away and find a job with less hassle and probably more money. I think it's to his credit that he's staying. And if he didn't what else would be helping to bind the club together? At least he's sending out some positive messages that plans are being made for next season. Do we want to be managerless for weeks? I can't believe the administrator would want to appoint a new manager himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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