Amesbury Saint Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Yesterday Weston Saint posted A very good and worrying point Steve. That and my reasoning above is why I am fairly convinced we are history. Pretty depressing from one of the more informed posters on here. i dont think we are but that is based on hope rather fact. Anyone think we are history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Not yet but it is a worry. We just have to live in hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 It's just the opinion of a poster that isn't ITK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr saint Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Our history is only just beginning. I am confident we will be around for centuries yet. My great grandchildren will refer to these days as the dark ages and I'll be proud to say I was there when we pulled ourselves out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 No we are not, we either start next season in Div 1 or the Blue Square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Our history is only just beginning. I am confident we will be around for centuries yet. My great grandchildren will refer to these days as the dark ages and I'll be proud to say I was there when we pulled ourselves out of it. Yep same, there is no reason why we shouldn't come out of this, it may be that its not a take over in the sense we are all hoping in terms of wealth, but as long as there is a club next year I will be more than happy, and I hope this is the lowest I will ever see the club sink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 It's not looking good,I'm starting to worry as I was convinced we'd be ok,but I'm not so sure now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 If I remember correctly wasn't there a Rich man called John Webster or similar...London property wealth etc who got involved withg Ex Saints charity in recent times...Maybe he has the wealth together with others to save us......Step forward Mr Webster. Stab in the dark time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 If I remember correctly wasn't there a Rich man called John Webster or similar...London property wealth etc who got involved withg Ex Saints charity in recent times...Maybe he has the wealth together with others to save us......Step forward Mr Webster. Stab in the dark time. You're going to mug him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 You're going to mug him? I am preparing a begging letter as we speak....All hands to the pump and all that;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I don't think that we will go under, but neither do I think that we are going to get the 'big bucks buyer'. I think things will get worse before they start to get better as well. The question is do the fans have the patience to stay with the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Weston also said this: I echo Dubai Phil's reasoning and think he is probably spot on. Lynham & Pinnacle nearly pulled it off and who is to say he will not be able to come back to the table with investors to replace the ones who ran away. He will know more now about the situation and be able to brief the replacements. All we want is a club next season. I am very slightly less anxious than I was a couple of days ago and now await any Administrator announcement with less trepidation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeH Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 What we need is for someone to come in and stem the flow for the sinking ship. Then after a year of consolidation we'll be a lot more attractive to someone who wants the really expensive hobby of owning a football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 No, the haggling is still on and I'm still hopeful. I think Fry's shifting deadlines are making him look weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Talks are still on going. I'm still confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tango Man Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I don't think that we will go under, but neither do I think that we are going to get the 'big bucks buyer'. I think things will get worse before they start to get better as well. The question is do the fans have the patience to stay with the team? I think it will lget worse as well..but we need to be thinking and planning for the next 5 years ..after that when we have a decent internal structure watch us go !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Still Hopeful but getting increasingly nervous as the days draw endlessly on & on & on ect ect. Would be nice to hear some good news come out of SMS for once PLEASE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Im am smitten by Weston Saints comments, there is no future for saints. I knew I should have taken a life time membership with alpine saints ultra depressive saints club at a bargain price. We are well and truly ****ed. Well done Alpine for being such a visionary. You have been right all along Let the war crimes tribunal commence case 1 Barclays Case 2 Lowe and Co Case 3 Wilde and Co Case 4 HONE AND cO case 5 Crouch Case 6 Referrees for not giving us penaltys we should have had Case 7 THe adminsistratorss who led us into a false sense of insecurity Case 7 The ITk's who lead us intofalse hope. Go0dbye SFC, I have lost and loved yea so well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeH Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 How about, if we're on a witch hunt, Pele for giving that stupid penalty away during the playoffs against derby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Or Leon Best and Inigo Idiakez for them two awful penalties. I blame them. Leon and Inigo OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShadow Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Let the war crimes tribunal commence Case 6 Referrees for not giving us penaltys we should have had No case to answer - McG would have missed them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Im am smitten by Weston Saints comments, there is no future for saints. I knew I should have taken a life time membership with alpine saints ultra depressive saints club at a bargain price. We are well and truly ****ed. Well done Alpine for being such a visionary. You have been right all along Let the war crimes tribunal commence case 1 Barclays Case 2 Lowe and Co Case 3 Wilde and Co Case 4 HONE AND cO case 5 Crouch Case 6 Referrees for not giving us penaltys we should have had Case 7 THe adminsistratorss who led us into a false sense of insecurity Case 7 The ITk's who lead us intofalse hope. Go0dbye SFC, I have lost and loved yea so well Missed the worst offenders i submit the Directors of 1997 ASKHAM and WISEMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Anyone think we are history? Whilst I of course hope I am proved wrong, I do have this very nagging worry that we really are in the mire!!!!! It may of course just be my perception, but when other clubs have gone into the mix, there always seemed to be something happening in the background. Our equivalent may of course be Pinnacle or these other bids, but I just don't think that at the moment there is anything tangible to any of them. As a fanbase we appear to be fairly apathetic to it all (which is understandable) and I also think the size of the debt and sums involved have led us to think that we, as supporters, are insignificant in terms of the whole charade. And of course the biggest problem is probably falling on hard times when there is little appetite for failing football clubs with the wider economy in such a poor state. The economic backdrop must be making it extremely hard to find any way out of this mess. I don't know exactly how it will all pan out, i.e. will we be permitted to ply our trade in the Conference, will we sink even further, is there a loophole that we could exploit to carry on in Div 3 etc etc etc, but I just don't see any White Knights coming over the horizon to buy us given our current circumstances in the current financial climate!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 (edited) Missed the worst offenders i submit the Directors of 1997 ASKHAM and WISEMAN - ASKHAM THE MAN WHO[sTARTED IT ALL[greedy t**t]/] Edited 21 May, 2009 by stanthemanfairoak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I think it will lget worse as well..but we need to be thinking and planning for the next 5 years ..after that when we have a decent internal structure watch us go !!! Why do you think it 'will get worse' and why do you think it will take us '5 years' to be in a position to push on? IF we get taken over then surely there is a new start for 'everyone'. If someone is going to buy the club for today's figure (now rumoured to be 14m) what interest will they have in running us further backwards? If they are buying us for their own ends then they will need to go forward from day 1. If they are buying as a stop-gap interim to try and stabilise/rescue us and then make money by re-selling somewhere further down the line then again they will not be able to do this unless they take us forwards. IF you are suggesting we get taken over at a very low level by a local butcher, baker and candlestick-maker combo, who have no money to invest, and the internal divisions continue, and the mighty fans continue to wage internicine civil war complete with 'boycotts', then there will be no 'going backwards' or 'getting-worse-before-it-gets-before' scenario; we will be toast in one season if that comes to pass. I cannot foresee any 'mainstream' solution whereby Saints could go even further backwards than where they are now, continue to trade for another 5 years, then start recovering. For me, if we are to continue as a league club next season and actually start the season then 'the only way is up' (even if 'up' means stabilising in the middle of Div 3 and balancing the books) we simply do not have the opton of floundering about for another 5 years; we go forward from here or we perish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 There is one question in the back of my mind that does bug me. "Why would anyone want to put in £15m and then have the adding cost of say £5m a season on the premise we might get promoted" That could be a £25-30m investment with no return. You will never make money from owning a football club as we have seen across the leagues, so why do it, especially in this climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Well, I wouldn't pay £14m for SFC, so I'm not expecting anyone else to come rushing in to save us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Well, I wouldn't pay £14m for SFC, so I'm not expecting anyone else to come rushing in to save us. even with our combined millions ponty I wouldnt bother (I wish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I think a lot of us are thinking that this morning!!! be realistic for christs sake!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Talks are still on going. I'm still confident. I agree, this is all brinkmanship by Fry trying to get the best for the creditors. The creditors need to take a much bigger haircut than they want, well that's tough on them. There is no way they will allow the Club to disappear and they loose everything. I'm just hoping that the Jackson Consortium are not naive enough to give Fry what he wants, leaving nothing for the Club to invest in players and take things forward. Clearly Pinnacle were not that naive. Regards Morph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Ah but would they lose everything ? I mean surely Mark Fry would sell some of the assets for some money ? As has been said countless times his legal duty is towards the creditors he doesn't have to save the football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubsaint Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Yesterday Weston Saint posted Pretty depressing from one of the more informed posters on here. i dont think we are but that is based on hope rather fact. Anyone think we are history? No, to the money men this is just a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 something will happen in the next 48 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 something will happen in the next 48 hours.you should get yourself a little tent at the fairground and read a crystal ball DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 It all smacks of brinksmanship and that can be dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 something will happen in the next 48 hours. I think that you said that 48 hours ago!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I think that you said that 48 hours ago!! I've said it about five times now. It's called irony. Unfunny irony, perhaps, but irony nevertheless. Parody of Mr Fry/The Echo/Souness/ Old uncle Tom Cobley and All, y'see? Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 The problem is that the sort of money being talked about as offers will leave us fit only to be a struggling Division 3 side, recovery from which will be a long drawn out affair lasting many years. Think in future of Exeter, Bristol Rovers or Brighton as our counterparts rather than Coventry, Spurs or Fulham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Well, I wouldn't pay £14m for SFC, so I'm not expecting anyone else to come rushing in to save us. That, unfortunately, is bang on the money. If many of us rose tinted spectacles fans cant see the club is worth £14m, who else is going to think its worth a punt. We need a passionate fan with £14m he doesnt need back. Cant be too many of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I've said it about five times now. It's called irony. Unfunny irony, perhaps, but irony nevertheless. Parody of Mr Fry/The Echo/Souness/ Old uncle Tom Cobley and All, y'see? Oh well. I thought it was mildly amusing DT hence my earlier reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyd Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I am positive there is serious interest in the club. Pinnacle have not got enough money to buy the club let alone finance the business over the short term. These messers should now be history and Mr Fry can conclude a deal with somebody who has real money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 (edited) Although I am sick of worrying about all of this, I still find it hard to believe that this club will be allowed to self destruct and be no more. Some are saying that there is no money to be made in football, well in this current financial climate perhaps not, but when the financial situation recovers as it always does, then comes the chance to make money again especially if you have purchased your asset relatively cheaply. As far as the current admin side of things, I don't believe we are getting anywhere near the truth of what is happening behind closed doors. Apart from the odd statement from Fry we know next to nothing, and even those statements could be just a salesman ploy. Just a guess or a hunch or even false hope, but I just have the feeling that someone is out there waiting in the wings, watching this all go on, noteing the developments and will play his or their ace at the very last minute. Edited 21 May, 2009 by Saint Billy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Although I am sick of worrying about all of this, I still find it hard to believe that this club will be allowed to self destruct and be no more. Some are saying that there is no money to be made in football, well in this current financial climate perhaps not, but when the financial situation recovers as it always does, then comes the chance to make money again especially if you have purchased your asset relatively cheaply. As far as the current admin side of things, I don't believe we are getting anywhere near the truth of what is happening behind closed doors. Apart from the odd statement from Fry we know next to nothing, and even those statements could be just a salesman ploy. Just a guess or a hunch or even false hope, but I just have the feeling that someone is out there waiting in the wings, watching this all go on, noteing the developments and will play his or their ace at the very last minute. There is money to be made - but only by really selling your asset - but even buying a L1 club chepaly requires further investment to get to teh promised Presmiership land and that can be substantial if wanting to guarrantee it... then when do you take your return, from premiership profits? Look at teh stick Lowe got for an £800,000 dividend ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I agree, this is all brinkmanship by Fry trying to get the best for the creditors. The creditors need to take a much bigger haircut than they want, well that's tough on them. There is no way they will allow the Club to disappear and they loose everything. I'm just hoping that the Jackson Consortium are not naive enough to give Fry what he wants, leaving nothing for the Club to invest in players and take things forward. Clearly Pinnacle were not that naive. Regards Morph I made the same point last week. I get the distinct impression Jackos plans are only for today and he'll cross other bridges when he comes to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 70s Mike I dint put these two into my post as They are beneath contempt but you are absolutely spot on i submit the Directors of 1997 ASKHAM and WISEMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 If we are history we need a porper in depth analtsis of the stages in which it all went wrong, going back several years. Not, a cover up ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 we need a porper The last thing we need is a pauper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 My earlier in the week thoughts of possibly are definitely drifting towards probably! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 If we are history we need a porper in depth analtsis of the stages in which it all went wrong, going back several years. Not, a cover up ! It all started when we appointed that Hoddle chap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Yesterday Weston Saint posted Pretty depressing from one of the more informed posters on here. i dont think we are but that is based on hope rather fact. Anyone think we are history? As a keen student of history, I am continually reminded that history repeats itself. Looking at the post war period; Saints had a period of enormous success without ever quite achieving the ultimate target - promotion to Div.1 (the then Prem.level). Whilst older fans talked about the great disaster of season 1948/49 when we were 8 points clear at the top at Easter and went into free fall and finished 3rd (2up/down in those days). But in the previous seasons 47/48 we were 3rd, and in the season 49/50 were were one of THREE clubs to finish on 52 points (Sheff.Wed beating Sh.Utd AND Saints on goal average). Rarely has anyone come so close and failed. Two years later we were relegated to Div. 3 South. In this time we lost 3 managers in a short time...Bill Dodgin to Fulham, and took some ex-saints stars, then later Sid Cann and George Roughton ..before Ted Bates took over. From having " one foot on the ladder " in April 1949, we were relegated in April 1953. A sad tale when one considers, we were 8th in Premiership and Cup Finalists in May 2003, then relegated two years later ..and now once again. The sad parade of unsuccessful managers is also a sign of one of the root causes. It took a few seasons to recover in the 1950's..and whatever we do next season, starting with -10 pts, doesn't make us favourites for promotion. but I like to be optimistic ..so maybe in a couple of seasons..back to CCC..? and who knows. History often brings dramas, but rarely surprises...(at least not for those who study it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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