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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry_SFC View Post
    Obviously we don't know all the facts regarding Lander and the proposed deal but looking at what's been mentioned so far I'm not positive about them what so ever. Talk of borrowing money before they've even bought the club doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
    The Glaziers used borrowed money to buy Man Utd. Of course, there are a numbers of differing opinions as to whether that has been a good thing or not............

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    Quote Originally Posted by positivepete View Post
    The Glaziers used borrowed money to buy Man Utd. Of course, there are a numbers of differing opinions as to whether that has been a good thing or not............
    So we can look forward to lander doing this then

    https://www.theguardian.com/football...ldren-15m-year

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    [QUOTE=doddisalegend;2493764]So we can look forward to lander doing this then

    https://www.theguardian.com/football...ldren-15m-year[/https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/may/16/manchester-united-

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    Quote Originally Posted by doddisalegend View Post
    So we can look forward to lander doing this then

    https://www.theguardian.com/football...ldren-15m-year
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...hester-united-

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    This all seems like bad news. More Blackburn, Pompey and Cardiff than Chelsea and Man City.

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    VVD on instragram with the crown prince of dubai holding a saints shirt, mystery investor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett24 View Post
    VVD on instragram with the crown prince of dubai holding a saints shirt, mystery investor?
    https://twitter.com/virgilvdijk/stat...08043461488640

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    You're welcome.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faz View Post
    You're welcome.....
    Tell me that's you, and you're minted & you're going to buy us

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Tell me that's you, and you're minted & you're going to buy us
    0/3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faz View Post
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    Damn. Lander it is then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Balls View Post
    This all seems like bad news. More Blackburn, Pompey and Cardiff than Chelsea and Man City.
    If it ends as well as Cardiff we'd be lucky with debt set to be leveraged onto SFC, Blackburn are a better model of what could happen. Would be a tragic end to the Liebherr era, let's hope PL FAPP finally shows teeth. Pigs might fly though!

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    Did we find out the premier league's verdict ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo View Post
    Did we find out the premier league's verdict ?
    Appeal date was Friday April 28th, so its feasible that a decision was made last Friday, before football goes on holiday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo View Post
    Did we find out the premier league's verdict ?
    Strange that it hasn't come out from somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Strange that it hasn't come out from somewhere?
    Someone do the tumble weed pic !

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    Think we have dodged a bullet here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint86 View Post
    Think we have dodged a bullet here.
    Hunch or ITK? Cheers

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    More likely that the intermediators are away on holiday why things are quiet.

    Also I wonder if they have to borrow more cash is due to the value of the club increasing each time an extension happens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampersound View Post
    More likely that the intermediators are away on holiday why things are quiet.

    Also I wonder if they have to borrow more cash is due to the value of the club increasing each time an extension happens.


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    Or still awaiting premier league clearance.

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    Any word on this? Can we assume its fallen through? And does that leave us in limbo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint86 View Post
    Any word on this? Can we assume its fallen through? And does that leave us in limbo?
    Deal off. According to a mate who has load of contacts in corporate finance circles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John D View Post
    Deal off. According to a mate who has load of contacts in corporate finance circles.
    Good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John D View Post
    Deal off. According to a mate who has load of contacts in corporate finance circles.
    Good news. Any ideas why it is off. Did the PL grow some teeth or was it on Lander's side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delmary View Post
    Superb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delmary View Post
    The report in The Times is a bit more speculative than the note on not 606 implies. The report says the investigation is about the split in the number of days spent in Switzerland and Germany not being as reported to the German authorities. Depending on the outcome of this investigation the estate may have to pay more tax, and if it does it may have a knock on effect on the sale of the club if Katrina has to sell the club for a knock-down price to pay the tax bill.

    Lots of assumptions in the article, no facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delmary View Post
    hahaha ffs.

    If that's true then there's no wonder that she's trying to flog the club to any ****er that shows an interest.

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    The Times article:

    German tax inquiry could force sale of Southampton
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    June 7 2017, 12:01am,
    The Times

    A large tax bill would increase the pressure on Liebherr to sell Southampton
    RICHARD POHLE/THE TIMES
    Katharina Liebherr, the Southampton owner, has become embroiled in an investigation by the German tax authorities which could increase the pressure on her to sell the club. The Times has learnt that the public prosecutor’s office is investigating the tax liability of her late father, Markus Liebherr, who bequeathed Southampton to Katharina after his death in 2010 along with several other companies forming part of Mali Holdings.

    The German authorities are investigating whether they are entitled to levy taxes against the beneficiaries of Markus Liebherr’s estate after receiving allegations that he spent more time in Germany than was previously realised. The German-born Swiss industrialist claimed Zurich was his main residence, but he also had property in Germany.

    Authorities in Germany often focus on high-profile cases in the belief that the resulting publicity leads to a higher tax yield from ordinary citizens. Uli Hoeness, the former Germany forward and current Bayern Munich president, was sentenced to three and a half years in prison for tax fraud in 2014 in a case which reportedly led to 26,000 Germans opting to disclose unpaid taxes.

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    (cont.)
    The Liebherr investigation is understood to be focused on all those who received payouts from his estate and there is no suggestion of any wrongdoing by his daughter but, as she was the biggest beneficiary, any retrospective tax bill would potentially have significant implications for Southampton. The club, with a valuation of 200 million, is Liebherr’s biggest asset in a portfolio worth an estimated 300 million and a large tax bill would increase the pressure on her to sell.

    Liebherr has been seeking new investment in the club for more than a year and negotiations over a proposed 190 million sale to the Lander Sports Development are continuing, although the Premier League has expressed concerns about allegations of corruption in China against the owner, Gao Jisheng.

    Depending on the result of the German investigation, Liebherr may be forced to consider selling for a knockdown price. Southampton declined to comment last night.

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    Selling the club for a knockdown price would be bad for Katerina, but possibly good for the club i.e. any potential investor would have more money to invest in the team/ stadium etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morse View Post
    Selling the club for a knockdown price would be bad for Katerina, but possibly good for the club i.e. any potential investor would have more money to invest in the team/ stadium etc.
    Fair point, although I guess it could have the effect of attracting 'less rich' investors too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by positivepete View Post
    The report in The Times is a bit more speculative than the note on not 606 implies. The report says the investigation is about the split in the number of days spent in Switzerland and Germany not being as reported to the German authorities. Depending on the outcome of this investigation the estate may have to pay more tax, and if it does it may have a knock on effect on the sale of the club if Katrina has to sell the club for a knock-down price to pay the tax bill.

    Lots of assumptions in the article, no facts.
    Seems a bit speculative to me.

    Obviously depends on German Law , but can a case be brought six years after someone dies ? Bearing in mind Marcus is no longer with us I'd have thought there would be some difficulty in presenting "evidence" when he's not around to answer the allegations against him?

    And if the estate has been passed on, can the tax duty be passed to others, especially if they are not resident in Germany ?

    Business as usual, Kat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    Fair point, although I guess it could have the effect of attracting 'less rich' investors too.
    As we are/were pretty close to selling to Lander, I don't really see that much will change.

    I'm hoping that this may attract an investor who was potentially put off by the price (which I guess would be a concern in itself...).
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    Interesting - now the Times are asserting that her inheritance was in the order of 300m, with Saints accounting for 2/3 of that. No wonder we never went out and tried to buy Robinho on deadline day...

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    That's a pretty big loss of value in a short period, wasn't Katharina placed in the top five of the richest premier league club owners only a year ago? Also wasn't the Mali group valued at 2 billion only a few years ago? I also doubt that Markus would have left his businesses to Kat if he didn't have faith in her ability to keep them running and flourishing, if things have gone that pear shaped in only six years then it's one hell of a job of mismanagement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFKA South Woodford View Post
    That's a pretty big loss of value in a short period, wasn't Katharina placed in the top five of the richest premier league club owners only a year ago? Also wasn't the Mali group valued at 2 billion only a few years ago? I also doubt that Markus would have left his businesses to Kat if he didn't have faith in her ability to keep them running and flourishing, if things have gone that pear shaped in only six years then it's one hell of a job of mismanagement!
    or rather she was never worth that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGalpin View Post
    or rather she was never worth that?
    As I have always maintained. The "press" valuation given to M Liebherr was just an extrapolation of the value of the other branch of the Liebherr family. It's like the old "Send reinforcements, we're gong to advance" becoming "Send 3 and 4 pence we're going to a dance" joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFKA South Woodford View Post
    That's a pretty big loss of value in a short period, wasn't Katharina placed in the top five of the richest premier league club owners only a year ago? Also wasn't the Mali group valued at 2 billion only a few years ago? I also doubt that Markus would have left his businesses to Kat if he didn't have faith in her ability to keep them running and flourishing, if things have gone that pear shaped in only six years then it's one hell of a job of mismanagement!
    Liebherr is worth Billions, she is not. Her own personal portfolio is a lot less. Been saying it for years.

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    Maybe a certain ex chairman with a grudge and close knowledge of her late fathers dealings made an anonymous phone tip off?

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    * Oops wrong thread
    Last edited by SuperSAINT; 07-06-2017 at 03:22 PM.

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    Sky Sources: the heads of Premier League clubs have backed changes to ownership rules after controversies at Hull City and Southampton
    game over I think...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    game over I think...!
    What changes are they backing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    What changes are they backing?
    No idea, no detail in yet. Just a breaking strap from sky news. Probably something about making it easier for the big clubs to carry on spending and getting bought by whoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    No idea, no detail in yet. Just a breaking strap from sky news. Probably something about making it easier for the big clubs to carry on spending and getting bought by whoever.
    Lol. If Lander really are dodge, this might be doing us a favour.

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    Think thee was some talk previously that Lander were hoping for a rule change to allow their takeover to go ahead.

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    Lander deal gone through I'm told!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenue_Saint View Post
    Lander deal gone through I'm told!
    #ITK_Watch

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    No idea, no detail in yet. Just a breaking strap from sky news. Probably something about making it easier for the big clubs to carry on spending and getting bought by whoever.
    http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...p-rule-changes

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