Saintjersey Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I was having a really indepth discussion at work today over which you think is more important, either your football club or the national side. Personally I always would prefer to Saints to do well rather than England (obviously both doing well is the best scenario). So I was just wondering what everybody else thought about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 equal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 After having this convo many times, if it came down to Saints winning the Prem League or England winning the World cup, I would rather England win. I support both as much as each other and is a toughie question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I was having a really indepth discussion at work today over which you think is more important, either your football club or the national side. Personally I always would prefer to Saints to do well rather than England (obviously both doing well is the best scenario). So I was just wondering what everybody else thought about it. As we dont do very well I always hope England will do well instead but that does not happen very often But equal probably However 1966 was wonderful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 1. Saints 2. England ......but love them to both do well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Club......always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 After having this convo many times, if it came down to Saints winning the Prem League or England winning the World cup, I would rather England win. I support both as much as each other and is a toughie question You have posed a good question there, but I'd go for Saints winning the premier League any day! But I did enjoy 1966 so maybe the fact England have won it at least once influences my thinking...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 You have posed a good question there, but I'd go for Saints winning the premier League any day! we can just win the title the season after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Any proper football fan will always put his club before his country - but I wouldn't go so far as to say I'd rather Saints won a throw-in than England won the world cup as I have heard said ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Rather see Saints win against Millwall than see England win the world cup. I love England but they're nothing compared to Southampton for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 You have posed a good question there, but I'd go for Saints winning the premier League any day! But I did enjoy 1966 so maybe the fact England have won it at least once influences my thinking...... And Saints got promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 England. 'Cos if a major tournament happens, it'll have been achieved with English players ( or at least English linked players like Hargreaves ), and would be something to be truly proud of. If Saints ever won the Prem, it'd just mean that we'd been managed very well and had managed to accumulate the right players. Doesn't say anything about the actual footballing quality of Sotonians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 (edited) Saints- the sacrifices and the amount of raw emotion ive sweated for us over the years makes it a no brainer. You get caught up in the carnival atmosphere of the national team but in the same way as tourists do. Wins and losses dont lodge themselves in the pit of my stomach like saints. Edited 22 July, 2009 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Being of Brazilian/Germanic extraction I don't understand the relevance of the question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Being of Brazilian/Germanic extraction I don't understand the relevance of the question...Your mum was a German who shaved her nether regions?? The thread/question was "Club or Country", not "Club or England" so I guess the relevance to you would depend on whether you support a national team or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I am Scottish and a Saints fan so I truly believe that I must have done something wrong in a previous life, as I have no fecking chance of glory at any level !!! Any win for either and I'm happy, perhaps I'm just a simple man ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Saints first - only interested in England if it's football or cricket -not bothered otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sea Saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Always club first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 1 Saints 2 Nothing International football is in my opinion overrated and boring. I still watch at Finals stages, but really couldn't give a damn and would prefer there to be no international football, especially with the likes of Andorra and San Marino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 i dont give a toss about england and most of the people who defend it are man utd fans and chelsea fans who get to see their players i.e rio and lamps etc... and i would love to watch england if say lallana played for them which is why i took up interest in the u21 last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Saints is where I spend countless hours every week worrying, thinking about, avoiding work to read about and hopeing every day brings some good news........a takeover, a player, or in the Football season a win......England barely ever figure. However, despite all that an England World Cup win would mean more........its just a bigger deal in the total scheme of things. No matter how much I care about the Saints its hard to argue that the "weight" of a world cup win, can match my own slightly obsessive fascination with everything that happens at our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Club for me. I still follow England when they play, but it doesn't ruin my weekend if England loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 (edited) England first, although I love saints and proud to be from Southampton. Love watching England at all sports, and I find when I go somewhere and meet people from different clubs to support a united team, always find it great. COYR Edited 22 July, 2009 by Joesaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastleighhalo Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Remember when our tunisian guy ( Tahir )sliced Kieran Dyer in half with a clumsey tackle late in the game against Newcastle at St Marys >> ?? It put Dyer out of the England squad for the forthcoming championships and a lot of saints fans ( and others around the country ) slated him for it .... me ?? ....never !! ...he was a saints player trying his best for my club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Remember when our tunisian guy ( Tahir )sliced Kieran Dyer in half with a clumsey tackle late in the game against Newcastle at St Marys >> ?? It put Dyer out of the England squad for the forthcoming championships and a lot of saints fans ( and others around the country ) slated him for it .... me ?? ....never !! ...he was a saints player trying his best for my club! He was Moroccan surely, Tahar El Khalej. Dyer threatened Tahar with legal action if he had missed the 2002 World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Remember when our tunisian guy ( Tahir )sliced Kieran Dyer in half with a clumsey tackle late in the game against Newcastle at St Marys >> ?? It put Dyer out of the England squad for the forthcoming championships and a lot of saints fans ( and others around the country ) slated him for it .... me ?? ....never !! ...he was a saints player trying his best for my club! absolutely, though there's also the simple fact that dyer is a c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I was having a really indepth discussion at work today over which you think is more important, either your football club or the national side. Very little depth needed for a subject like this. It is a no brainer as far as I am concerned and has to be club every time. If anyone says any different then personally they are not a proper fan of their club. As you say if England do well then great but I won't lose any sleep over it if they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stkev7 Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Equal. However I don't feel the same excitement when I see England at Wembley compared to England away... But I feel the same excitement when Saints play at home and away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints triumph Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 SAINTS always come first, England second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 good thread! club couldn't care less about england, until recently watching them was ****ing boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Saints every single day of the week and twice on Sundays. I love England and all that but not with the same passion as Saints. I've only ever been to one England game (Keegan's first as manager) and I found the crowd was packed with a fair number number of right wing nutters who just wanted to boo the opposition anthem. To be fair that was a minority but still a fairly large minority. The real clincher though was when we scored. When Saints score it's an instinctive leap out of the seat and celebration but that's not the case when England score - I'm happy but not in the same way. Perhaps I'm just not jingoistic enough. Whoever said that England are more important because it would have been with English players presupposes we have a connection with people just because they happened to have been born in the same country. Sure it's there to an extent but the attraction is probably more to do with a shared interest within the country and everyone getting excited about it rather than the players themselves - I don't feel any more connection with rich over paid players that exist in a different world to me than I would, for example, with Marians Pahars. The Ashes are a good example of this - I don't particularly like cricket that much but the hype and interest around the country are what makes it interesting and good to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Club...... I hate international breaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben-H Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Saints First, second and third Coming so close to oblivion may me realise just how much I love them. Sniff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Saints every single day of the week and twice on Sundays. I love England and all that but not with the same passion as Saints. I've only ever been to one England game (Keegan's first as manager) and I found the crowd was packed with a fair number number of right wing nutters who just wanted to boo the opposition anthem. To be fair that was a minority but still a fairly large minority. The real clincher though was when we scored. When Saints score it's an instinctive leap out of the seat and celebration but that's not the case when England score - I'm happy but not in the same way. Perhaps I'm just not jingoistic enough. Whoever said that England are more important because it would have been with English players presupposes we have a connection with people just because they happened to have been born in the same country. Sure it's there to an extent but the attraction is probably more to do with a shared interest within the country and everyone getting excited about it rather than the players themselves - I don't feel any more connection with rich over paid players that exist in a different world to me than I would, for example, with Marians Pahars. The Ashes are a good example of this - I don't particularly like cricket that much but the hype and interest around the country are what makes it interesting and good to watch. +1 good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 we can just win the title the season after Very true! Now why didn't I think of that? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Equal. However I don't feel the same excitement when I see England at Wembley compared to England away... But I feel the same excitement when Saints play at home and away. Sums it up well for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 For better or worse, the whole club-country debate has been changed by players -Scholes, Carragher- who've decided to retire early to concentrate on their club careers. Its clear where their loyalties lie. I prefer football to cricket as a sport; but prefer the england cricket team to the england football team by a country mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Saints, no contest. In football, nothing else matters or even exists, as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Like to see England win - apart from when Venables was in charge. But my love for Saints is visceral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Saints every single day of the week and twice on Sundays. I love England and all that but not with the same passion as Saints. I've only ever been to one England game (Keegan's first as manager) and I found the crowd was packed with a fair number number of right wing nutters who just wanted to boo the opposition anthem. To be fair that was a minority but still a fairly large minority. The real clincher though was when we scored. When Saints score it's an instinctive leap out of the seat and celebration but that's not the case when England score - I'm happy but not in the same way. Perhaps I'm just not jingoistic enough. Whoever said that England are more important because it would have been with English players presupposes we have a connection with people just because they happened to have been born in the same country. Sure it's there to an extent but the attraction is probably more to do with a shared interest within the country and everyone getting excited about it rather than the players themselves - I don't feel any more connection with rich over paid players that exist in a different world to me than I would, for example, with Marians Pahars. The Ashes are a good example of this - I don't particularly like cricket that much but the hype and interest around the country are what makes it interesting and good to watch. That'll have been me First, it's a valid pre-supposition. You can easily take being English for granted, especially when you're there all the time. Truth is, you miss that kinship with your countrymen when you're away. Work sends me all over the place, and I'm always glad to be back in my own country. I fully accept that an element of the English national support could be considered just to the left of Hitler, and am sorry that you had to hear them booing the opposition's national anthem. Frankly, that doesn't segue with my view of what it means to be English, which is mostly wrapped up with being polite, being tolerant of other people's views while at the same time, and somewhat perversely, not giving a flying feck about what anyone else thinks of you. It's a wider debate, but I'm not happy that Englishness is either being hijacked by xenophobes or diluted by politicians. I love that I've been born here, even though my grandad is a Pakistani born in Karachi ( who disarmingly tells Pakistani jokes that I'd tear someone a new one for ). In football terms, I'm never more emotional than in the midst of a major international tournament. I love the fact that whatever club you support, whatever differences you have, you're united when you watch something like the 4-1 drubbing of the Netherlands in Euro '96. You all scream together, and you know that an entire nation is screaming with you. The day after, everyone is walking a little bit taller and the world seems a little bit sunnier. Of course, it's always heartbreaking when England eventually plop out on penalties. Like I said, I'm never more emotional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Many of Saints recent legends -marian, niemi, claus, killer etc- are foreign. They always gave their all to the club - its hard to think of a similar number of english players. Says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 As SFC aren't likely to be playing England I have no issue following either. That said, I'd put England to win the World Cup beyond anything for SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Club, definately. I don't really care about international games, would much rather see Saints win than Scotland (although it'd be nice to see both win for a change..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Redstripe Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Saints everytime for me, it's my lifelong passion, always will be. If I'm honest, I really don't care much about what happens in international football, although if a world cup was going on, I'd obviously want England to win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 SAINTS FOREVER When we win it is more of a success because we face teams on a level playing field England often play minows major tournaments the whole country gets behind them but thats what 4 weeks every 2 years IMHO we can influence club players from the stands international players dont give a toss as they know that they have got a big pay cheque awaiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Saints first all the time. With England, I want us to do well and I like Capello but I absolutely cannot stand some of the England players, e.g. Cole x 2, Neville x 2, Terry, Rooney, Ferdinand, Lampard and Gerrard - which can make it difficult to support the c*nts. I'd like us to win the World Cup without any of these chumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Saints first, i don't spend most of the hours every day thinking about England like i do Saints. However as has already been said, a world cup win would be difficult to beat with Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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