trousers Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Isn't this the 'missing link' in our side? A wiley old pro in midfield who can provide a link between our midfield and the striker(s)? Someone in the mold of Nicky Butt or Nick Barmby? Or just anyone who's name is Nick.... Shirley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 17 January, 2010 How old is Le Tiss by the way....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Not necessarily old but I see what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 who though...who have we played this season that has a player that stands out in that role...? we cant expect to buy players from the league above all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 who though...who have we played this season that has a player that stands out in that role...? we cant expect to buy players from the league above all the time You are correct of course,if we could take someone of that ilk however......Robbie Savage please,yeah i know there are others. I will retire to my bunker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Have to say and hate to say it but I have been hugely underwhelmed by Hammond who was supposed to be an attacking midfielder to provide exactly that. Perhaps he was just better suited to the 4-5-1? But in recent games I have seen he's looked a bit lethargic and not urgent enough. Under the weather maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 You are correct of course,if we could take someone of that ilk however......Robbie Savage please,yeah i know there are others. I will retire to my bunker. No thanks, he is f*cking awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Have to say and hate to say it but I have been hugely underwhelmed by Hammond who was supposed to be an attacking midfielder to provide exactly that. Perhaps he was just better suited to the 4-5-1? But in recent games I have seen he's looked a bit lethargic and not urgent enough. Under the weather maybe? When he first signed I thought he was brilliant when we went on that run of 12 unbeaten or so. However since the end of November he hasn't seemed to be as good for some reason, funnily enough around the time he was given the captains armband, however I don't think that is the reason why. Perhaps he has been carrying an injury for sometime or maybe needs a rest. I really do not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Robbie Savage would be ideal. As would Lee Carsley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 A midfielder who scored a few goals would be nice. We have enough midfielders linking play, we just don't have enough getting on the end of things in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 A Jimmy Case type player. Not many of them around these days though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 A midfielder who scored a few goals would be nice. We have enough midfielders linking play, we just don't have enough getting on the end of things in the box. We just need a midfielder who actually wants to get into the box. I don't see the point in playing Holmes, Hammond, Schneiderlin and James together in midfield - where are the goals coming from? We should just go back to what worked so well before Christmas Waigo/Antonio and Lallana outwide with Schneiderlin and Hammond in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altoniansaints Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 We just need a midfielder who actually wants to get into the box. I don't see the point in playing Holmes, Hammond, Schneiderlin and James together in midfield - where are the goals coming from? We should just go back to what worked so well before Christmas Waigo/Antonio and Lallana outwide with Schneiderlin and Hammond in the middle. Agreed. We need a Holding midfielder (Morgan/Wotton/James), and attacking midfielder (Hammond - although I don't think he's been playing this role properly) and two wide men if we're going to play 4 in midfield. I would rather play 5 and put Lallana behind Lambert and give him the freedom to go and find and use the ball anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 We just need a midfielder who actually wants to get into the box. I don't see the point in playing Holmes, Hammond, Schneiderlin and James together in midfield - where are the goals coming from? We should just go back to what worked so well before Christmas Waigo/Antonio and Lallana outwide with Schneiderlin and Hammond in the middle. This is the problem, I personally think that Hammond and Schneiderlin are too similar so it should be one but not both. James is too slow. Holmes is the best left midfielder but isn't quick. We need midfielders to attack out of the middle and pace down the flanks without that we will do what we did yesterday just play across the front of the defence. I thought the team selection was crass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 I tell who would be pefect..has pace, power and plays in the middle.. Victor Moses.....hold on whilst I get out of the straight jacket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 This is the problem, I personally think that Hammond and Schneiderlin are too similar so it should be one but not both. James is too slow. Holmes is the best left midfielder but isn't quick. We need midfielders to attack out of the middle and pace down the flanks without that we will do what we did yesterday just play across the front of the defence. I thought the team selection was crass. I think the team selection was designed to nick a win and it nearly worked - in the sense that AP threw in all three new boys and Holmes and will have learnt a great deal that may serve us very well for the rest of the season. He's bought new players, he needs to see where they fit and whether they can work with his game plan. Your wider concerns about the midfield I share. Early in the season Hammond was pushing forward more and Lallana and Antonio/Waigo were having great success feeding off this forward momentum - the FA Cup at Rovers for example. Until we get back to that tempo and urgency we will struggle to break teams down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 A Jimmy Case type player. Not many of them around these days though. Yes and yes, unfortunately. We need someone in the middle of the park who can do a proper captain's job, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 This is the problem, I personally think that Hammond and Schneiderlin are too similar so it should be one but not both. . Yes very true whilst watching the game against Luton I was constantly thinking was that Hammond or was that Schneiderlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 I think the team selection was designed to nick a win and it nearly worked - in the sense that AP threw in all three new boys and Holmes and will have learnt a great deal that may serve us very well for the rest of the season. He's bought new players, he needs to see where they fit and whether they can work with his game plan. Your wider concerns about the midfield I share. Early in the season Hammond was pushing forward more and Lallana and Antonio/Waigo were having great success feeding off this forward momentum - the FA Cup at Rovers for example. Until we get back to that tempo and urgency we will struggle to break teams down. Worse than that, we were hoping to nick a goal from a set piece. I don't like slow. We need to bring in footballers with pace. We have too many oddballs with no pace. Hammond, Schneiderlin, Wotton, James, Lallana, Lambert (a great dead ball scorer thank goodness) etc, having said that there is a place for Lambert and Lallana but we can't continue with a lack of pace, no balance from the rest. I think Schneiderlin is potentially a good player but he plays in his comfort zone, busting a gut doesn't happen. Hammond needs to up his game, his passing isn't good, he does win a lot of balls, but if you put him together with Schneiderlin we are really getting the output we expect from one good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Worse than that, we were hoping to nick a goal from a set piece. I don't like slow. We need to bring in footballers with pace. We have too many oddballs with no pace. Hammond, Schneiderlin, Wotton, James, Lallana, Lambert (a great dead ball scorer thank goodness) etc, having said that there is a place for Lambert and Lallana but we can't continue with a lack of pace, no balance from the rest. I think Schneiderlin is potentially a good player but he plays in his comfort zone, busting a gut doesn't happen. Hammond needs to up his game, his passing isn't good, he does win a lot of balls, but if you put him together with Schneiderlin we are really getting the output we expect from one good player. I agree. We have the capacity to pass our way through most teams and then pass it to wide players (Holmes, Antonio, Waigo) who can run at defences and cause problems - ok Holmes needs fitness but he has the cacpacity in time. Our best games have come where we have played at a high-tempo even including some long hopeful punts from Kelvin. To me, we look tired. Maybe this is the result of a poor preseason, maybe just mid-seasonitis. I don't know. But earlier in the season we were playing with more pace/tempo with exactly the same players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Yes very true whilst watching the game against Luton I was constantly thinking was that Hammond or was that Schneiderlin Schneiderlin would have been the one who can pass the ball better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickfinks Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 A Jimmy Case type player. Not many of them around these days though. great call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Schneiderlin would have been the one who can pass the ball better and tackle more, intercept more and get stuck in more over last few weeks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 A Jimmy Case type player. Not many of them around these days though. Hmm going back in time Jimmy Case/ Steve Williams / Alan Ball now that would do the business! A good mix of old pro experience, skill and hard tackling ball winning! Any of Holmes, Armstrong and Townsend would also do! Now the defence is sorted It is the balance of experience, ball winning and chance creation in midfield we need to address! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 17 January, 2010 (edited) Quashie? "In November 2009 Quashie joined League One side Milton Keynes Dons on loan until 3 January 2010" Now 'available' again after latest loan spell it would seem... Edited 17 January, 2010 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 I wonder what Jimmy Case is up to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 I wonder what Jimmy Case is up to... He probably still has more pace than Wotton :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Quashie? "In November 2009 Quashie joined League One side Milton Keynes Dons on loan until 3 January 2010" Now 'available' again after latest loan spell it would seem... He was going to QPR not sure he joined http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/q/qpr/8457971.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Safri.....is he still with that middle-eastern club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Safri.....is he still with that middle-eastern club? Dictionary definition of the word lightweight...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Prutton? He's only got 6 months left on his contract at Leeds Racon or Bailey from Charlton - supposedly they need the money Danns or stock? Arron Davies - been released by Forest - to play on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 How old is Le Tiss by the way....? MLT born 14 october 1968...that makes him 41 and a bit... Why..do you think you can persuade AP to play him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 A Jimmy Case type player. Not many of them around these days though. agreed...they broke the mould when Jimmy Case finished playing. Beware ....some others here have suggested; Robbie Savage, David Prutton or Nigel Quashie . they sound more like a HEAD CASE :smt021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Prutton? He's only got 6 months left on his contract at Leeds Racon or Bailey from Charlton - supposedly they need the money Danns or stock? Arron Davies - been released by Forest - to play on the right. Good call.. offer Charlton a million for both and test their resolve, especially if we are having trouble with Donny over Stock. We could offer more and still be under Stock's price and we also have plenty of players to include as part exchange if necessary. Racon and Bailey would sort our midfield overnight, but decimate Charlton though. Still they do need the money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Agreed. We need a Holding midfielder (Morgan/Wotton/James), and attacking midfielder (Hammond - although I don't think he's been playing this role properly) and two wide men if we're going to play 4 in midfield. I would rather play 5 and put Lallana behind Lambert and give him the freedom to go and find and use the ball anywhere. Lallana doesn't look effective in the middle. He doesn't get any areas to operate in and I would have Connolly instead of Lallana anyday. I don't think that's his position. I liked him operating from LM where he was developing a nice understanding with Harding. Coming in from wide he was much more slippery for defenders to read and opened up empty space behind him for Harding or a CM to make use of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Prutton? He's only got 6 months left on his contract at Leeds Racon or Bailey from Charlton - supposedly they need the money Danns or stock? Arron Davies - been released by Forest - to play on the right. Nicky Bailey is the best player in this league imo, he's absolutely class. Some of the goals he scores as well are unbelievable. If we could get him i'd be ecstatic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Stephen Dawson from Bury would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerceSaint28 Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 im amazed having gone to the game yesterday, no one has mentioned Jimmy Abdou of Millwall. Cracking holding player, quick, strong, good in the tackle and completely bossed our midfield. I think he would be perfect Thoughts?? Also skightly contreversial i would sell Schniederlin, he is too weak. Skillful and would look great in an Arsenal type set up but not in div 1 against physical teams like Millwall. Also, serious lack of pace up front alongside Ricky, Jackson anyone??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 im amazed having gone to the game yesterday, no one has mentioned Jimmy Abdou of Millwall. Cracking holding player, quick, strong, good in the tackle and completely bossed our midfield. I think he would be perfect Thoughts?? Also skightly contreversial i would sell Schniederlin, he is too weak. Skillful and would look great in an Arsenal type set up but not in div 1 against physical teams like Millwall. Also, serious lack of pace up front alongside Ricky, Jackson anyone??? I was thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Lallana doesn't look effective in the middle. He doesn't get any areas to operate in and I would have Connolly instead of Lallana anyday. I don't think that's his position. I liked him operating from LM where he was developing a nice understanding with Harding. Coming in from wide he was much more slippery for defenders to read and opened up empty space behind him for Harding or a CM to make use of. Yep would be happy with that also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 17 January, 2010 Share Posted 17 January, 2010 Good call.. offer Charlton a million for both and test their resolve, especially if we are having trouble with Donny over Stock. We could offer more and still be under Stock's price and we also have plenty of players to include as part exchange if necessary. Racon and Bailey would sort our midfield overnight, but decimate Charlton though. Still they do need the money... Two previous Pardew signings.... credited to him by the more open-minded Charlton fans who accept he was a bit unlucky to lose both to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 18 January, 2010 Share Posted 18 January, 2010 For me, the midfielder with the old and commanding head, and who is a former Saint too, would be Matt Oakley. He's done it for Leicester in getting them promoted, he's still doing it. Matt showed during administration his heart is still with Saints, so, why don't we make a move for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblyone Posted 18 January, 2010 Share Posted 18 January, 2010 I think the team selection was designed to nick a win and it nearly worked - in the sense that AP threw in all three new boys and Holmes and will have learnt a great deal that may serve us very well for the rest of the season. He's bought new players, he needs to see where they fit and whether they can work with his game plan. Your wider concerns about the midfield I share. Early in the season Hammond was pushing forward more and Lallana and Antonio/Waigo were having great success feeding off this forward momentum - the FA Cup at Rovers for example. Until we get back to that tempo and urgency we will struggle to break teams down. I agree with all of this post ,however,i think the reason AP has changed the tactics is the amount of goals we concede when playing our attacking wide players. He is trying to find a balance between our attacking play (all our 3-1 wins),and being harder to score against. I think he'll get there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 18 January, 2010 Share Posted 18 January, 2010 (edited) Isn't this the 'missing link' in our side? A wiley old pro in midfield who can provide a link between our midfield and the striker(s)? Someone in the mold of Nicky Butt or Nick Barmby? Or just anyone who's name is Nick.... Shirley? We all get 10/10 for that observation, but who...? It won't be Stock, it seems...but someone who is say 28-32, experienced in a FORMER Prem./ CCC SIDE and without a tragic inury record, and no good buying some "former star" whose knees will pack up after 3 games. All this tripe about good passing is fine, but we needs someone who can win the ball first!:smt081 Come back Jimmy Case. The trouble is that everyone is going to ask a £1 million+ from now on, as we are the only club below the top six in CCC that has any cash to splash,and you can be sure that everyone knows that. It will take some shrewd dealing to get someone at a half-reasonable price. Someone who can win a 50/50 tackle without getting a yellow card, and knows how to put the ball in the net himself. All the best names I know have retired now but surely to goodness SOMEONE on our coaching /scouting staff (if we have any now)... can come up with a name. Edited 18 January, 2010 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 18 January, 2010 Share Posted 18 January, 2010 I know they have probably hung there boots up but someone like Thomas Graverson ex Everton or Matty Holland or maybe even Matt Oakley that type of player would be a great addition to the squad. We could also use a big lump up front to take some of the burden off Rickies shoulders Henderson Hulse aggyman someone who can hold it up cause chaos get us a goal and give Ricky a rest for last 10 15 mins of a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 18 January, 2010 Share Posted 18 January, 2010 Could just let Lallana be that link man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 January, 2010 Share Posted 18 January, 2010 Could just let Lallana be that link man... He may or may not be, but the others aren't, worth a try, he's played nearly everywhere else except defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 18 January, 2010 Share Posted 18 January, 2010 We need an 'old head' in midfield Either of these guys CDAJFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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