Who here does not really give a monkeys

[Thedelldays]

who plays and how we play..

 

 

f'sure, seeing a bunch of young lads, most of all have been here for a few years playing good stuff at times is great..

 

but deep down, who else could not really care too much how we play and what players play as long as we win..?

 

I know I just want to see saints win regardless of how and who plays

 

 

is that negative???

[trousers]

I pretty much agree. Winning is everything at the end of the day (Brian).

[skintsaint]

I just cheer when we win and sulk if we lose. No amount of moaning cant change who is playing, who is in charge and these days cant even get to games. Yes its sad seeing whats going on but you just got to get on with it.

 

Just get behind the team and hope we can do well.

[true-saint-keit]

Having grown up watching and supporting saints, I don't expect to see us win, in fact I hear over the past 20 years Southampton have won less games than any other professional club in England. That is the way things are and I'm quite used to it, now I am happy as long as we play well.

[eurosaint]

I am happy to see us play well, develop and improve but overall we must hold our own in this league and that means getting enough points to (comfortably) stave off relegation which would be a disaster!

I can live with lost points at this stage but only if I perceive progress is being made !

[INFLUENCED.COM]

Winning has to be a priority, many slated Derby for how they won promotion bet the Derby fans couldn't of cared how they gained promotion(although shortlived) I like the way we are playing but obviously want to see performances converted into wins

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I'd much rather win ugly than lose pretty if it came down to a simple choice , I don't know any fan who'd say otherwise .

[beatlesaint]

I hear over the past 20 years Southampton have won less games than any other professional club in England.

 

Now that, if true, is really depressing.

 

I bet we won more games in the period 1978 - 1988 than we did 1988 - 2008 too !

[stevegrant]

is that negative???

Not negative at all, people have different priorities.

 

Personally, while I'd love us to be winning every game 5-0, I know that's an unrealistic expectation. I generally come away from games "happy" if we've either:

 

a) got a decent result (regardless of performance)

b) played well enough but been unlucky and not got the result the performance merited (be it thanks to decisions made by the officials or outstanding performance(s) by opposition players).

 

So far this season, we've fulfilled one of those criteria for the vast majority of games. Even the Ipswich game, which was the worst performance I've seen so far this season, ended with a reasonable result. Ipswich are a decent Championship side, make no mistake about that, and to recover from a goal down against them is fine by me.

 

I'm not *overly* fussed about who plays and what formation we play, so long as I come away from the game thinking that each player has put in the effort to earn their money, whether it be one of the experienced players left over from the last couple of seasons on £10k a week or one of the youngsters on relative peanuts.

 

Essentially, I want to feel proud to support SFC. If the players look like they care (whether they actually do or not isn't the issue - fans are the only "permanent" fixture at football clubs) and are putting in the effort and, to a lesser extent, performances, I will have that feeling.

[krissyboy31]

I want Saints to win every game they play but am more realistic than that. To go to a game, be entertained and know that every player in the team has put in the effort to get the best possible result (regardless of what that may be), is good enough for me these days.

 

I just want to believe that we have now bottomed-out and will see some improvement in performances, results and finances and are onwards and upwards!

[Window Cleaner]

who plays and how we play..

 

 

f'sure, seeing a bunch of young lads, most of all have been here for a few years playing good stuff at times is great..

 

but deep down, who else could not really care too much how we play and what players play as long as we win..?

 

I know I just want to see saints win regardless of how and who plays

 

 

is that negative???

 

As long as we win, therein lies the rub.Last season we were playing a lot of very mediocre players way way over the odds to err not win on a regular basis. Lowe covered this in one of his statements. He said paying players substantially over the average salary is OK-as long as they deliver, when they don't the problem has to be dealt with.This is the nub of the affair, when the figures come out you will see that our wage bill was probably at least the third highest in the CCC,probably above that even,we narrowly avoided relegation. Burley was probably one of the highest paid managers,Lowe appointed him as head coach, never made him manager-Wilde,Crouch,Corbett and McMenemy did that,they probably spiked his salary as well. A lot of money went out of the door for very little result ,that's the nub of the problem.I don't care who plays-as long as the end justifies the means,and that doesn't mean scraping out of relegation on the last day because another team lost, even though you have an annual player+coach salary mass approaching 12.5 million pounds.

Edited 19 September, 2008 by Window Cleaner

[ottery st mary]

You would think that the supposed MONEY men running this club over the last 10-12

years would like to see us win more often than not. But I have my doubts wether they really give a damn or a monkeys.Mind you if this carries on it could be ambarrassing for them. Do they care...apart from their wallet..

Then again none of them are really MONEY men when the truth be known. The evidence was there before they turned up and every day since. They only appear to want to line their own pockets for nothing and have their egos touched up. In truth they haven't really done even half a good job.

LOWEY, WILDEY, ASKHAM AND THE LAVENDAR HILL MOB appearing at a theatre near you soon.

 

Like a carry on film and it will for at least another few weeks.

 

Hope to God we win on Saturday as to lose or draw with Barnsley will be very hard to take.

Edited 19 September, 2008 by ottery st mary

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

You ask any of those clubs doing ok in the Premier League, without a home grown player in the squad, and they couldn't give a monkeys. I've got to say that I'm the same. Don't get me wrong, it's great when we do have players who come through the ranks but it's not the be all and end all for me. Equally, the style isn't that important either. Although I can't say that I'd want us to be playing as Stoke do or Watford did but I would at least accept the modicum of success they've had in doing it. Winning is everything!

[eelpie]

I pretty much agree. Winning is everything at the end of the day (Brian).

 

So the quality of play is meaningless? Don't you want to be entertained?

[Window Cleaner]

So the quality of play is meaningless? Don't you want to be entertained?

 

I find winning very entertaining,sad huh!!

[Guest Hacienda]

So the quality of play is meaningless? Don't you want to be entertained?

 

I find winning makes me happy, far more so that playing fancy football and getting stuffed.

[sotonist]

So the quality of play is meaningless? Don't you want to be entertained?

 

What are we? Tottenham?

[Wildgoose]

Not negative at all, people have different priorities.

 

Personally, while I'd love us to be winning every game 5-0, I know that's an unrealistic expectation. I generally come away from games "happy" if we've either:

 

a) got a decent result (regardless of performance)

b) played well enough but been unlucky and not got the result the performance merited (be it thanks to decisions made by the officials or outstanding performance(s) by opposition players).

 

So far this season, we've fulfilled one of those criteria for the vast majority of games. Even the Ipswich game, which was the worst performance I've seen so far this season, ended with a reasonable result. Ipswich are a decent Championship side, make no mistake about that, and to recover from a goal down against them is fine by me.

 

I'm not *overly* fussed about who plays and what formation we play, so long as I come away from the game thinking that each player has put in the effort to earn their money, whether it be one of the experienced players left over from the last couple of seasons on £10k a week or one of the youngsters on relative peanuts.

 

Essentially, I want to feel proud to support SFC. If the players look like they care (whether they actually do or not isn't the issue - fans are the only "permanent" fixture at football clubs) and are putting in the effort and, to a lesser extent, performances, I will have that feeling.

 

Good post! Balanced and honest view.

[alpine_saint]

Now that, if true, is really depressing.

 

I bet we won more games in the period 1978 - 1988 than we did 1988 - 2008 too !

 

It is true. I've heard this statistic before

[eelpie]

I find winning makes me happy, far more so that playing fancy football and getting stuffed.

 

Of course we all want to win. We all hate losing. But don't you get any pleasure from seeing a young team with quite a lot of potential, working hard to improve (as they are doing), or would you prefer it if you knew what the result was going to be before deciding to go to the match. Would you really prefer sitting through some of the moribund boring matches that we have all suffered in recent years, when results were slightly better?

 

Whatever is said about this season so far, it is not boring.

[Guest Hacienda]

Essentially, I want to feel proud to support SFC. If the players look like they care (whether they actually do or not isn't the issue - fans are the only "permanent" fixture at football clubs) and are putting in the effort and, to a lesser extent, performances, I will have that feeling.

 

I feel proud of the efforts that the young lads are putting in on the pitch but there is no way I any longer feel proud of SFC. It's not the club I've loved all of my life.

[Guest Hacienda]

Of course we all want to win. We all hate losing. But don't you get any pleasure from seeing a young team with quite a lot of potential, working hard to improve (as they are doing), or would you prefer it if you knew what the result was going to be before deciding to go to the match. Would you really prefer sitting through some of the moribund boring matches that we have all suffered in recent years, when results were slightly better?

 

Whatever is said about this season so far, it is not boring.

 

I love the effort the nippers are putting in but that doesn't alter the fact that football is about winning and I don't think they will win enough this season.

 

Your argument reminds me of the African Olympic swimmer who everyone cheered even though he lost by mile. Plenty of effort but simply not good enough.

 

So would you like to see "nice" football and relegation or "moribund" football and survival?

[eelpie]

I feel proud of the efforts that the young lads are putting in on the pitch but there is no way I any longer feel proud of SFC. It's not the club I've loved all of my life.

 

I think we are all (excepting scooby) feeling extremely angry at the way successive regimes at SFC/SLH have mismanaged Saints and brought us to this situation. And like you I feel very proud of the way the young lads have thrown themselves into this campaign. PV is doing well with his hands tied behind his back too. Heck. What can us mere groundlings do about it. Like other clubs the game is being taken away from us. All we can do is continue to support the team. Despair, which is very understandable, and moaning as many do on this forum doesn't win any friends.

[eelpie]

I love the effort the nippers are putting in but that doesn't alter the fact that football is about winning and I don't think they will win enough this season.

 

Your argument reminds me of the African Olympic swimmer who everyone cheered even though he lost by mile. Plenty of effort but simply not good enough.

 

So would you like to see "nice" football and relegation or "moribund" football and survival?

 

I have consistently criticised the selling of specialist tough. skilled professionals. I deplored releasing Pearson. Like TDD and Alpine I have always bemoaned the lack of attention given to signing specialist tough defenders. And we have released so many outstanding strikers it makes me sick. But we are where we are now. Playing skillful passing football is what the lads do well. We have to build on our strengths and strengthen our weaknesses. Not criticise what at least is good. Yes, we need a few rotweillers to toughen up the team. I have never said that losing is good, let alone a pleasure. I am not a masochist. But that does not mean that we have to give up hope.

[ottery st mary]

I think we are all (excepting scooby) feeling extremely angry at the way successive regimes at SFC/SLH have mismanaged Saints and brought us to this situation. And like you I feel very proud of the way the young lads have thrown themselves into this campaign. PV is doing well with his hands tied behind his back too. Heck. What can us mere groundlings do about it. Like other clubs the game is being taken away from us. All we can do is continue to support the team. Despair, which is very understandable, and moaning as many do on this forum doesn't win any friends.

 

This moaning comment is being turned by those who wish to make apoint for their own agenda. You know that us Saints fans like most others have been

moaning since it all began. I think in the old days we used to drain out allover each other down the pub even after we had won on many good days.

 

The young lads have done very well and most of us are rightly proud.

Some of the decisions re Players young or experienced and some of the tactics/substitutions have been woeful.

The coach appears to have totally disregarded Thomson, Patterson and White.

Shameful.... Started moaning again. Still say that the blend of Experience has been wrong and needs sorting.

 

My biggest moan is and always will be Andrew Davies and the strange saga of recruiting Pulis and Gasmi. Whatever anyone says they have BOTH cost us transfer fees...YES fees and high wages and neither will be in the first team playing regularly if at all before Nov... Money we have not got wasted and should have been used on real experience we needed then and even more so now..

 

Moan over...Sorry but as the other Poster said If you have not been going to all the games you should not post... Maybe I will end up one of The Lost Boys

with three other supporters with me... Mr Lowey move aside and let Cowan run the club at least pretend you care..

[View From The Top]

But I've always liked the long term approach and it's not something that generally goes down at all well amongst football fans.

 

Utter ******s from you as normal.

 

I don't know a single Saints fan who doesn't love the long term idea of producing a home grown team.

 

That doesn't mean that we cannot see the disaster waiting to happen which is Lowe's short term plan of doing it right now, without experienced players alongside them.

 

Doubt you'd see that though as your football brains believes that our young strikers will score 20 league goals each this season.

[norwaysaint]

Utter ******s from you as normal.

 

I don't know a single Saints fan who doesn't love the long term idea of producing a home grown team.

 

 

No, he's right. Everyone would agree that a completely new team with players who are young and inexperienced would start very badly but hopefully develop as the season goes on, maybe managing to stay up. Yet as soon as this bad start happens eveybody panics. Surely it was inevitable?

 

As Adrians said, we are hoping for something in the long term (true, it may not happen) so why react to our early results as if it's hopeless.

 

But it's been that way on this board as long as I can remember. Everybody agreeing that a manager will need a while to settle in, then calling for his head within a month or two.

[Thedelldays]

No, he's right. Everyone would agree that a completely new team with players who are young and inexperienced would start very badly but hopefully develop as the season goes on, maybe managing to stay up. Yet as soon as this bad start happens eveybody panics. Surely it was inevitable?

 

As Adrians said, we are hoping for something in the long term (true, it may not happen) so why react to our early results as if it's hopeless.

 

But it's been that way on this board as long as I can remember. Everybody agreeing that a manager will need a while to settle in, then calling for his head within a month or two.

not too many are calling for his head..maybe one or two on here...

 

most even on the billy davies thread said that they would not mind him SHOULD JP not work out..

 

 

I think 90% of fans are happy (including myself) to give JP time as he has some bloody good ideas

[ottery st mary]

No, he's right. Everyone would agree that a completely new team with players who are young and inexperienced would start very badly but hopefully develop as the season goes on, maybe managing to stay up. Yet as soon as this bad start happens eveybody panics. Surely it was inevitable?

 

As Adrians said, we are hoping for something in the long term (true, it may not happen) so why react to our early results as if it's hopeless.

 

But it's been that way on this board as long as I can remember. Everybody agreeing that a manager will need a while to settle in, then calling for his head within a month or two.

 

Pearson washed away by the same crowd who love Lowey and his Dutch troups.

Personally I believe the coach JP has the potential to be a good coach and if allowed to develop in the lower leagues will bring us back up and by the time he is 40 years will really blossom into an international coach for PSv or Ajax.

Bring on the yOUTH BUT WITH LOTS OF GOOD EXPERIENCE.

[John B]

Pearson washed away by the same crowd who love Lowey and his Dutch troups.

Personally I believe the coach JP has the potential to be a good coach and if allowed to develop in the lower leagues will bring us back up and by the time he is 40 years will really blossom into an international coach for PSv or Ajax.

Bring on the yOUTH BUT WITH LOTS OF GOOD EXPERIENCE.

 

I am not really concerned with results at present although I do get upset when we lose.

 

However what I am more concerned with is that the club has a healthy future we cant go along buying up undeachieving over paid professionals it is leading us nowhere.

 

 

In the last five years who have we bought who was really good - Svensson Crouch Phillips and possibly now Davis that has been the problem as the team has not developed.

 

At least with the new regime players can be developed and with money when it becomes available we maybe able to buy some better ones.

 

 

Perhaps if we had adopted this approach a season or so ago tomorrow's team may have been.

 

 

Davis

Crainie

Svensson

Mills

Surman

Wooton

Scheinder

McGoldrick

Lallana

Blackstock

 

plus someone we may have bought instead of wasting money on Powell Ostlund Makin Idiakiez Wright etc

[Legod Second Coming]

Having grown up watching and supporting saints, I don't expect to see us win, in fact I hear over the past 20 years Southampton have won less games than any other professional club in England. That is the way things are and I'm quite used to it, now I am happy as long as we play well.

 

 

It's actually ten years to 2006 for certain - further back, who knows?!!!

 

The people who now expect to see us win either have short memories or are short-term fans who arrived in 2001 onwards!

 

Of course EVERY fan wants to see their team win.

 

But most of (having been raised on a diet of losses and survivak scraps) appreciate the value of EFFORT and want to see our team give their all irrespective of outcome.

 

If they try their hardest and lose - forgiveable. If they don't try their hardest and win - forgiveable. If they lose without trying that is totally and utterly unforgiveable.

 

No one is totally satisfied with losing, however it is achieved, unless they truly are a masochist... and believe me we seem to have them in droves.

[norwaysaint]

not too many are calling for his head..maybe one or two on here...

 

most even on the billy davies thread said that they would not mind him SHOULD JP not work out..

 

 

I think 90% of fans are happy (including myself) to give JP time as he has some bloody good ideas

 

Sorry, should've been clearer. I wasn't really talking about JP with that comment. I was just illustrating past attitudes that demonstrated how people talk about time needed for real improvement and then panic if things don't improve after a month or two.

[ottery st mary]

I am not really concerned with results at present although I do get upset when we lose.

 

However what I am more concerned with is that the club has a healthy future we cant go along buying up undeachieving over paid professionals it is leading us nowhere.

 

 

In the last five years who have we bought who was really good - Svensson Crouch Phillips and possibly now Davis that has been the problem as the team has not developed.

 

At least with the new regime players can be developed and with money when it becomes available we maybe able to buy some better ones.

 

 

Perhaps if we had adopted this approach a season or so ago tomorrow's team may have been.

 

 

Davis

Crainie

Svensson

Mills

Surman

Wooton

Scheinder

McGoldrick

Lallana

Blackstock

 

plus someone we may have bought instead of wasting money on Powell Ostlund Makin Idiakiez Wright etc

 

Slight tongue in cheek as you realised I am stil a fan ofthe coach but not how it has all come about..Money Money Money.

As you say no looking back but only to think will we avoid the same mistakes

again. Your list one short but agreed by me to a certain extent. Davies and Matt Mills and Fish Mills left Back in due course.

 

I have tried to fathom out the Davies/ Pulis transfer. If you can help.

I know Davies DID NOT want to go and yes he is injured and will not be ready yet for Stoke? But Pulis transfer money oH YES.. AND WAGES is he potential..NO and will he get in the side..NO. iS HE FIT... NO When will he be

to prove me wrong.. No sense to this whatsoever.... Gasmi I have not got a clue and can only guess he is another with fantastic potential and may get in the side and maybe a good investment.. He will be costing a fee and is already being paid by us and not his previous club... When fit..God knows..

 

These are just a few of the things I have seen debated and with other information brings me to the conclusion JP is not running the football side and that the finances in/out are starting to close in on each other and therefore the whole earlier statements why people were shown the door now become null and void.

 

I ask this because you appear, together with one or two other posters, to have the inside track and shout eveyone down as if with authority even when they appear to be right.

 

I mean this in the nicest possible way as deep down you seem to want Saints to win?

[saintkiptanui]

Rather see us play good football.

[Scudamore]

I like to see us play good football and win games...

 

However the two are not mutually exclusive...

 

If we can combine the two then i'll be a very happy man...

[70's Mike]

Rather see us play good football.

 

 

Define good football ?

[derry]

Depends really. A win in isolation without much hope for long term improvement would be fairly pointless. I think we the squad we have, playing with the ball on the ground and passing it around will get the most out of them. Who knows where that'll have us finishing though.

 

Obviously I'd rather play ugly and win if it meant being able to get promoted, BUT, I would choose for instance, promotion playing good football in 2 or 3 seasons over promotion through brute force this season, as I think it would help us develop more players, enjoy the football and most of all, have half a chance at a higher level.

 

But I've always liked the long term approach and it's not something that generally goes down at all well amongst football fans.

 

No good going up and coming back down. Parachute payments help but don't guarantee promotion. The better the team that goes up the less it costs to stay there.

[Scudamore]

Define good football ?

 

He's referring to attractive football as well you know.

 

Still i like the game...

 

Define facetious?

[derry]

Define good football ?

 

Define "argumentative".

[aintforever]

In our position winning is the only thing that matters.

 

If failure didn't mean certain administration and starting next season on -10/15 in league 1 then we could maybe afford to be fussy about what we watch.

[Whitey Grandad]

He's referring to attractive football as well you know.

 

Still i like the game...

 

Define facetious?

Addicted to pleasantry. No chance of that here, then.

[Wes Tender]

I just bought tickets for me and my lad for tomorrow. It cost £48 for us to watch what was mostly our youth or reserve team playing the mighty international star ridden Barnsley. So what did I feel about it? Keen anticipation that we would be watching a great entertaining and exciting match, or that it would be like the Blackpool match, or indeed the Ipswich match?

 

To be honest, I didn't feel anything. No excitement, no anticipation, just pleased to have the opportunity of spending time with my son, but little else. I just know that nothing short of a win is going to change my feelings, but that a loss will edge me ever closer to the feeling that I could make better use of my time with my family and indeed better use of that money, until such time as Lowe, Wilde and others have gone for ever.

[View From The Top]

I just bought tickets for me and my lad for tomorrow. It cost £48 for us to watch what was mostly our youth or reserve team playing the mighty international star ridden Barnsley. So what did I feel about it? Keen anticipation that we would be watching a great entertaining and exciting match, or that it would be like the Blackpool match, or indeed the Ipswich match?

 

To be honest, I didn't feel anything. No excitement, no anticipation, just pleased to have the opportunity of spending time with my son, but little else. I just know that nothing short of a win is going to change my feelings, but that a loss will edge me ever closer to the feeling that I could make better use of my time with my family and indeed better use of that money, until such time as Lowe, Wilde and others have gone for ever.

 

I asked my mates if they were going tomorrow. None are.

 

I asked my nipper if he wanted to go. He doesn't.

 

[Fowllyd]

Slight tongue in cheek as you realised I am stil a fan ofthe coach but not how it has all come about..Money Money Money.

As you say no looking back but only to think will we avoid the same mistakes

again. Your list one short but agreed by me to a certain extent. Davies and Matt Mills and Fish Mills left Back in due course.

 

I have tried to fathom out the Davies/ Pulis transfer. If you can help.

I know Davies DID NOT want to go and yes he is injured and will not be ready yet for Stoke? But Pulis transfer money oH YES.. AND WAGES is he potential..NO and will he get in the side..NO. iS HE FIT... NO When will he be

to prove me wrong.. No sense to this whatsoever.... Gasmi I have not got a clue and can only guess he is another with fantastic potential and may get in the side and maybe a good investment.. He will be costing a fee and is already being paid by us and not his previous club... When fit..God knows..

These are just a few of the things I have seen debated and with other information brings me to the conclusion JP is not running the football side and that the finances in/out are starting to close in on each other and therefore the whole earlier statements why people were shown the door now become null and void.

 

I ask this because you appear, together with one or two other posters, to have the inside track and shout eveyone down as if with authority even when they appear to be right.

 

I mean this in the nicest possible way as deep down you seem to want Saints to win?

 

Do you know all of this for certain? It's not the first time you've posted to this effect. If you do, then how (without naming names if you can't do so, of course)?

[Legod Second Coming]

In our position winning is the only thing that matters.

 

If failure didn't mean certain administration and starting next season on -10/15 in league 1 then we could maybe afford to be fussy about what we watch.

 

I'm not sure I agree.

 

EVERY business needs a long-term strategy as well as short-term actions/tactics.

 

So you could say that the long-term aim is to win every game. In the short-term we recognise that to build the long-term, we might lose some games while we BUILD for the long term.

 

It then depends on how you define short and long term.

 

Winning is everything IF you had a guaranteed formula to win. There isn't one.

 

So, you have to have a plan. And then STICK TO IT.

 

Otherwise you simply focus on the here and now and eventually find yourself lost.

[Legod Second Coming]

I just bought tickets for me and my lad for tomorrow. It cost £48 for us to watch what was mostly our youth or reserve team playing the mighty international star ridden Barnsley. So what did I feel about it? Keen anticipation that we would be watching a great entertaining and exciting match, or that it would be like the Blackpool match, or indeed the Ipswich match?

 

To be honest, I didn't feel anything. No excitement, no anticipation, just pleased to have the opportunity of spending time with my son, but little else. I just know that nothing short of a win is going to change my feelings, but that a loss will edge me ever closer to the feeling that I could make better use of my time with my family and indeed better use of that money, until such time as Lowe, Wilde and others have gone for ever.

 

Really?

 

What if you and your nipper watch an amazing 5-5 game, with us grabbing the equalizer in the 94th minute.

 

You would go home elated.

 

Because that's how football works.

 

If we went 1-0 up on 3 minutes and rode our luck like Walter Swinburn for the rest of the game but playing utterly pants, I'm sure your over-riding feeling would be one of relief.

 

Because that's how football works.

[70's Mike]

Define "argumentative".

 

 

Bad day at work, but i personally am fed up with all this b*llocks about good football/attractive football.

 

I want to watch winning football and unless we find away to start winning soon this club is going to be crippled financially for years to come, crowds of 15k will not earn enough to pay the mortgage let alone invest in the future.

We must be getting near the point where expenditure on Staplewood/Academy etc is in doubt

[Wes Tender]

Really?

 

What if you and your nipper watch an amazing 5-5 game, with us grabbing the equalizer in the 94th minute.

 

You would go home elated.

 

Because that's how football works.

 

If we went 1-0 up on 3 minutes and rode our luck like Walter Swinburn for the rest of the game but playing utterly pants, I'm sure your over-riding feeling would be one of relief.

 

Because that's how football works.

 

Sorry, but no, LGSC. Relief is what I felt after the Ipswich game, against what I consider reasonable opposition. If we scrape a draw agaisnt Barnsley in the last minute having watched 10 goals, I won't feel elated. I'll feel that firstly the defence as usual was full of holes to let in 5 goals from a team like Barnsley and secondly I will feel that if we can't beat teams like them, Blackpool or Doncaster at home, then we truly are deep in the sh*t.

 

And whatever the result, I'll not feel that £48 for the two of us was value for money when I was paying at that level to watch our team containing several International players play the World stars of Chelsea, Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc.

[David Strover]

Being a Saints fan it's always been a case of, "You draw some, you lose some".

[SaintDonkey]

If all you care about is winning games then you're supporting the wrong club - honestly just go join the Man U zombies.

 

If all you care about is watching football the way it's supposed to be played go and watch Arsenal.

 

If what you care about is Southampton FC and will support them through thin and thinner then you're in the right place.