Legod Third Coming Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 If bookies are to be believed. 11/4 to win the league before a ball has been kicked? 10/11 for promotion? Either we are nailed on, or some lumpy bets have been placed. Let's hope it's the former!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 If bookies are to be believed. 11/4 to win the league before a ball has been kicked? 10/11 for promotion? Either we are nailed on, or some lumpy bets have been placed. Let's hope it's the former!! Those are ridiculous odds. We are not that nailed on, nowehere near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I was looking at that on oddschecker this morning. Odds ON for promotion with EVERY bookie and all have us either 11/4 or 5/2 to win it. I preferred it when we were underdogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 they dont seem to have factored in the extra pressure of the fans and boards expectations. It is going to be a different atmosphere at SMS this season if we dont win from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 we have the best first 11.....easily IMO howeverm beyond that...hmmmm we need 4-5 player IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Rabbit Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 What kind of low expectations do people have? We've had a years experience in this league..and as said above...probably have the best 11 and good squad depth... anything other than promotion is complete failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I might put some money on us to finish in the top 2 but I would prefer that we were not favourites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Mental... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Well looking at this we had better get a move on as it ain't looking too clever at the moment!!! http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10280,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastleighhalo Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Mental... Hmmm maybe not ..once you know about the signings weve yet to announce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Well looking at this we had better get a move on as it ain't looking too clever at the moment!!! http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10280,00.html Many people would say avoiding relegation is a success... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 they dont seem to have factored in the extra pressure of the fans and boards expectations. It is going to be a different atmosphere at SMS this season if we dont win from the start. bookies factor it all - and where money is going - more often right than not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I was looking at that on oddschecker this morning. Odds ON for promotion with EVERY bookie and all have us either 11/4 or 5/2 to win it. I preferred it when we were underdogs Well, I'm a punter first and Saints fan second (sorry to all those with red and white in their blood), and the prices are bonkers. Put it this way, we were 13/2 to win the JPT when I backed us - and that was with the same squad and the likelihood of us drawing plenty of poor teams in the early rounds, which we did!! Anything can happen during 8 months of a league campaign. So 13/2 to win eight games but 5/2 to win 30 games against all comers in the league, home and away... I fully expect us to go up, but odds on??? I just hope this pricing is reflected in my Ladbrokes shares! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 jesus, after reading this board you would have thought we would be odds on for relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Wasnt the same thing said the first season we came down from the Prem? Like everyone else i want us to go up,but knowing how Saints do things we will probably finish second or even third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 If bookies are to be believed. 11/4 to win the league before a ball has been kicked? 10/11 for promotion? Either we are nailed on, or some lumpy bets have been placed. Let's hope it's the former!! This link was on another thread http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-one/promotion and it seems that we are odds on to walk it with every known bookie in the universe (almost) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 This link was on another thread http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-one/promotion and it seems that we are odds on to walk it with every known bookie in the universe (almost) They aint giving much away 12 of the 24 are in single figures! (best price) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 We will flipping walk this league, no problemo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Well, I'm a punter first and Saints fan second (sorry to all those with red and white in their blood), and the prices are bonkers. Put it this way, we were 13/2 to win the JPT when I backed us - and that was with the same squad and the likelihood of us drawing plenty of poor teams in the early rounds, which we did!! Anything can happen during 8 months of a league campaign. So 13/2 to win eight games but 5/2 to win 30 games against all comers in the league, home and away... I fully expect us to go up, but odds on??? I just hope this pricing is reflected in my Ladbrokes shares! To be fair odds on for promotion is probably about right. But on both the win market and the promotion market we are considered to be two and a half times more likely to do it than Sheff Wednesday (the second favourites). Favourites certainly but by that kind of margin? Yep, I agree, bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I think we have as good a chance as we've had for a very long time to win a title - the core of players that we've got now are USED to winning games in a Saints shirt. That is simply something that has been unheard at our club for the best part of two generations. We need to make sure that we have a solid start so that there's enough momentum to get us over the finishing line. A brilliant Charlton-esque start would be nice but it is not the be-all-and-end-all. I am sure however that all of the players and management staff know that last season's start, coupled with the -10 deduction, was an absolute killer in terms of promotion and they will be doing everything to make sure it doesn't happen. Will also be interesting to see how the team copes with the pressure this year - as long as we don't take any tips off of Team England, we'll be fine. :@) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 jesus, after reading this board you would have thought we would be odds on for relegation. Not really - I expect us to go up, this is just a debate about 'value'. And we're not a value betting proposition. I still fully expect that we will go up, if not win the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 They aint giving much away 12 of the 24 are in single figures! (best price) For me, the value bets in there are Brighton (6s) and Notts County (9s) but even then, the prices are ridiculous. This is an eight month race and the biggest price is 40/1.... Bloody hell a horse finished second in the Derby at 100/1. Oh and if Holland win today, I will at least have a few quid to play up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Hmmm maybe not ..once you know about the signings weve yet to announce! And you do, I suppose ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I personally see play offs for Saints, but I've always been negative. I just have that feeling we will fook it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 For me, the value bets in there are Brighton (6s) and Notts County (9s) but even then, the prices are ridiculous. This is an eight month race and the biggest price is 40/1.... Bloody hell a horse finished second in the Derby at 100/1. Oh and if Holland win today, I will at least have a few quid to play up. I'm with you there. I think they'll have a very good season if they keep Poyet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastleighhalo Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 And you do, I suppose ? Nope..not a clue .. but im confident that there will be a few cracking players joining us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I think you are wrong and the it looks like the bookies are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painswick Saint Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 The bookies usually get it pretty much correct when it comes to the Saints. I just hope the trend continues this next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 The problem we have is every team will treat us as the big one which will help them raise there game. As supporters we will become frustrated by teams camping in the box which will result in the players getting nervous because of the booing. I pray Pardew has found the solution and if so then I do feel we will **** it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H. Cope Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 We will be so amazing next season, the league will hit us with a minus 25 points handicap to make it fairer in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 If bookies are to be believed. 11/4 to win the league before a ball has been kicked? 10/11 for promotion? Either we are nailed on, or some lumpy bets have been placed. Let's hope it's the former!! Slighty more crackers is that we are 8/13 to win the first game against Plymouth.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Slighty more crackers is that we are 8/13 to win the first game against Plymouth.... Now there, the bet is half-time draw full-time win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Frankly that is nonsense. It is more likely to win a 24 team league than a 48 team knock out tournament - the number of games makes no difference, it's the number of teams 1 in 24 as against 1 in 48. Well, I'm a punter first and Saints fan second (sorry to all those with red and white in their blood), and the prices are bonkers. Put it this way, we were 13/2 to win the JPT when I backed us - and that was with the same squad and the likelihood of us drawing plenty of poor teams in the early rounds, which we did!! Anything can happen during 8 months of a league campaign. So 13/2 to win eight games but 5/2 to win 30 games against all comers in the league, home and away... I fully expect us to go up, but odds on??? I just hope this pricing is reflected in my Ladbrokes shares! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 (edited) I've got a fiver on us to win the league at 5/2 with William Hill, fair odds considering we have one of the best English managers about, a team full of established CCC/L1 players and a billionaire owner/hard working chairman combination who have shown that they're not afraid to pump money into the club if need be. You'd be stupid not to put money on us to gain promotion at least just looking at those statistics! Edited 6 July, 2010 by SuperMikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 (edited) I think the 11/4 on us winning the league is not a great bet. But the 10/11 on promotion is an excellent punt. I think our chances of promotion are at least 70%. If you think the chances are better than 55%, you should put money on at these odds. Edited 6 July, 2010 by SaintBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 There is no way we will walk this league. We need to get the right players in and it will be tough. We have a good base but still need to build. Anyone who thinks it is a cake walk is living on another planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I think the 11/4 on us winning the league is not a great bet. But the 10/11 on promotion is an excellent punt. I think our chances of promotion are at least 70%. If you think the chances are better than 55%, you should put money on at these odds. 10/11 for 46 games is sh*te odds. FACT. Absolute no value in betting on us to be promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 The odds make perfect sense. We have the best team on paper and a ridiculous amount of money for L1. The wages we pay are insane compared to other L1 clubs, and we showed we can win games. Without the -10 and pressure that brought, and a bit more stability under AP, we should win the league easily. I'm not saying we will, but there's no excuse for not doing so. Norwich had far far more difficult circumstances last season than we have now having just come done, changing manager after awful start etc. Whilst I would agee that Saints will, come the season opener, be the best team on paper, and potentially have much more money at their disposal than other League One clubs. I see no reason why we would be paying ridiculous wages compared to other clubs. The motivation for players is that they are with the biggest club in that particular league, and there is almost certainly only one direction it is heading in. For that, players are probably more than happy to take a little less than perhaps you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Well looking at this we had better get a move on as it ain't looking too clever at the moment!!! http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10280,00.html What you talking about? That's already 10 points up on last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 10/11 for 46 games is sh*te odds. FACT. Absolute no value in betting on us to be promoted Completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 And we won't p!ss this league. We'll probably win it, or come second, but either way it'll be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Well looking at this we had better get a move on as it ain't looking too clever at the moment!!! http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10280,00.html Not looking too clever at the moment? Oh yes it does, it looks brilliant. We're already 10 points better off than last year! Woo hoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Completely agree. Just depends if u think were better than 55% to be promoted. I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 7 July, 2010 Share Posted 7 July, 2010 Completely agree. Completely disagree. We have the best squad in the league. I think we are nailed on for promotion and a reasonable bet to win the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 7 July, 2010 Share Posted 7 July, 2010 Well looking at this we had better get a move on as it ain't looking too clever at the moment!!! http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10280,00.html Yep had a feeling Yeovil would struggle this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 7 July, 2010 Share Posted 7 July, 2010 So how many points at the end of August? I'm betting for 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 7 July, 2010 Share Posted 7 July, 2010 Well, I'm a punter first and Saints fan second (sorry to all those with red and white in their blood), and the prices are bonkers. Put it this way, we were 13/2 to win the JPT when I backed us - and that was with the same squad and the likelihood of us drawing plenty of poor teams in the early rounds, which we did!! Anything can happen during 8 months of a league campaign. So 13/2 to win eight games but 5/2 to win 30 games against all comers in the league, home and away... I fully expect us to go up, but odds on??? I just hope this pricing is reflected in my Ladbrokes shares! To turn it on its head what odds would you offer me if I gave you £100 for promotion and winning the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 7 July, 2010 Share Posted 7 July, 2010 We finished just 3 points off an auto place last season (if you add the 10 points back) and that was after starting with an incomplete team that had a terrible 10 game start. League 1 has lost Norwich, Leeds and Millwall - the best 3 teams in the league last year - and replaced them with arguably lesser teams. The players have now gelled into a team that knows how to win in this league and which has added some very good signings so far. We also have a chairman who is amenable to investing in the team if we need to strengthen further. We have a decent manager with top flight experience. That's why the bookies are putting us down as nailed on certs - and I agree with them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 July, 2010 Share Posted 7 July, 2010 Honestly speaking, i don't think Pardew did as well as he could have done last year, we could have made the playoffs, it was achievable, but we failed. I was all in all happy however, we kept up with the leaders, had a great season and built a team ready for this year. Now, this year is a different kettle of fish, anyone who says those odds do not reflect our team and position compared to the other teams in the division are clearly mental. We have the best team in the division, period. The bigger teams have been promoted, ok, huddersfield and brighton have started to build for the future but IMO Norwich and Leeds were better. Swindon and Charlton have been weakened. We have money and will probably make more signings, not only this but last year we purchased replacements in January so will arguably do it again if the need arises. The bookies would look at all of this and would have come up with odds, that IMO fairly represent were we should be. As for Pardew, we really should be winning the league but football is a funny old game so IMO anything other that automatic will be a failure. The playoffs would be a failure but a failure to be promoted and honestly AP should be shot on the spot. Also, if we are off the pace by christmas i am afraid it is bye bye Pardew IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 July, 2010 Share Posted 7 July, 2010 good post S_S... I would be happy with 2nd spot right now...really would be over the moon.. this season is all about automatic promotio for me...not the JPT or doing well in the cups...but automatic promotion...and I guess, after some comments last season, that will probably be the focus on the club as a whole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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