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----------------------DAVIS---------------------

RICHARDSON------FONTE---SEABORNE---DICKSON

CHAMBERLAIN---MORGAN---HAMMOND----LALLANA

----------------BARNARD---GULY----------------

 

Subs: Bart, Butterfield, Harding, Jaidi, Chaplow, Connolly, Lambert

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SO16_Saint

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Think after the defeat yesterday we will come out the traps fast and show them what for.

 

They will be looking for a response after their defeat to Charlton too.

 

Worse thing is, I've gotta sit in the Posh end with my dad. Hope I will have to sit on my hands a few times.

 

Injuries permitting I would start with Lambo and Barnard again, Oxo and Adam on the wings with spiderman and Chappers in the middle.

 

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I suspect we will get a win while playing poorly oncemore,which will just paper over the cracks, yet many on here will think all is well and Adkins is still the 'masterstroke appointment'

Back to 4-4-2 please.

We are underperforming week in week out and Lamberts form has to be addressed by Adkins,it has gone on way too long.

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I suspect we will get a win while playing poorly oncemore,which will just paper over the cracks, yet many on here will think all is well and Adkins is still the 'masterstroke appointment'

Back to 4-4-2 please.

We are underperforming week in week out and Lamberts form has to be addressed by Adkins,it has gone on way too long.

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I suspect we will get a win while playing poorly oncemore,which will just paper over the cracks, yet many on here will think all is well and Adkins is still the 'masterstroke appointment'

Back to 4-4-2 please.

We are underperforming week in week out and Lamberts form has to be addressed by Adkins,it has gone on way too long.

 

Since Adkins has been in (besides MK away) we have played 11, won 7, drawn 2 and lost 2. If we under-perform every week and still get those sorts of results I think you'll be happy come the end of the season.

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saint lard

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Since Adkins has been in (besides MK away) we have played 11, won 7, drawn 2 and lost 2. If we under-perform every week and still get those sorts of results I think you'll be happy come the end of the season.

 

The stats thus far appear to show we are doing well,but that is all they are stats,we are not playing well and the bigger picture is that we are not moving forward or look capable of fullfilling are capabilities.

Majority of our wins come against who?

We have dominated teams that are poor,no more than we really should do.

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I suspect we will get a win while playing poorly oncemore,which will just paper over the cracks, yet many on here will think all is well and Adkins is still the 'masterstroke appointment'

Back to 4-4-2 please.

We are underperforming week in week out and Lamberts form has to be addressed by Adkins,it has gone on way too long.

 

Spot on mate, people won't like to hear it but we really haven't been playing well.

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[quote=saint lard;

We are underperforming week in week out and Lamberts form has to be addressed by Adkins,it has gone on way too long.

 

I very much doubt that it will be though, he'll start again against Posh, probably partnered by Barnard then it will be up to the midfield to score goals again and we may or may not struggle cos those lads aren't all Gerd Muellers are they. As I said on the thread yesterday until we sort out this problem we are going to struggle for a large part of the time because we are effectively playing with

10 men to all intents and purposes. The opposition aren't dupes,they know that Lambert is a waste of space and are no doubt pleased to see him on the team sheet every week because they can put their better defenders onto our other threats.

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sandwichsaint

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Davis

 

Richardson Fonte Seaborne Harding

 

OC Morgan Chaplow Lallana

 

Lambert Barnard

 

Why Harding evey game when he's not been very consistent and we have last year's LB of the season sat on the bench?

 

Dropping Hammond? One of our more consistent players over the recent games and a goal yesterday?

 

Your front two show the lack of realistic options that NA has there.... I think we need to find a regular spot for Gully (if he is as good as some on here say he is).

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saint lard

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Would you rather we were playing 'well' and losing and drawing the majority of our games! Go back to how it was under JP eh?

 

See this is what i find baffling,some people cannot find a happy medium,it's either/or scenario.

How about playing well and fullfilling the potential with the players at NA's disposal,just like he should be.

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Why Harding evey game when he's not been very consistent and we have last year's LB of the season sat on the bench?

 

Dropping Hammond? One of our more consistent players over the recent games and a goal yesterday?

 

Your front two show the lack of realistic options that NA has there.... I think we need to find a regular spot for Gully (if he is as good as some on here say he is).

 

He wasn't left back of the season, and Harding is a decent player. Everyone has bad games now and again.

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Why Harding evey game when he's not been very consistent and we have last year's LB of the season sat on the bench?

 

Dropping Hammond? One of our more consistent players over the recent games and a goal yesterday?

 

Your front two show the lack of realistic options that NA has there.... I think we need to find a regular spot for Gully (if he is as good as some on here say he is).

 

I rate Harding highly, and what I have seen of Dickson I haven't been impressed.

 

I make no bones that I am not a massive fan of Hammond. I would always have Chaplow and Morgan ahead of him.

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Always annoys me when people say that. 4-3-3 to me means 4 defenders, 3 midfielders and 3 strikers. So it wasn't.

 

433 when we attacked. 451 when we defended. Always annoys me when people are stuck in the past and assume 433 means 3 strikers. A modern day 433 includes two wingers who track back when off the ball.

 

Infact if anything, Chaplow and Morgan took it in terms to bomb forward and get in and around a hapless Lambert, so it became 4 2 4 at times when we attacked.

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See this is what i find baffling,some people cannot find a happy medium,it's either/or scenario.

How about playing well and fullfilling the potential with the players at NA's disposal,just like he should be.

 

Totally agree mate. We haven't really dominated a game under Adkins that I have seen.

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Totally agree mate. We haven't really dominated a game under Adkins that I have seen.

 

We battered Tranmere, I really though that was a sign of things to come. It seems they where just a terrible side.

 

Would you rather we were playing 'well' and losing and drawing the majority of our games! Go back to how it was under JP eh?

 

Yes, obviously I would rather see us lose every week. The whole playing good football under the Dutch clowns was a myth as well, there was the odd game where we played some nice stuff but the majority of it was just embarassing five yard backwards passes, no real width, penetration or even any real strikers. It was crap.

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433 when we attacked. 451 when we defended. Always annoys me when people are stuck in the past and assume 433 means 3 strikers. A modern day 433 includes two wingers who track back when off the ball.

 

Infact if anything, Chaplow and Morgan took it in terms to bomb forward and get in and around a hapless Lambert, so it became 4 2 4 at times when we attacked.

 

You've just discribed a 4-5-1. Wingers tracking back is the difference between a 4-5-1 and a 4-3-3, Sky try and brainwash everyone into thinking every 4-5-1 is really three up front to make dull matches appear more interesting.

 

A 4-3-3 is the formation Barca play or have played recently, one out and out striker and two very narrow wide players.

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We battered Tranmere, I really though that was a sign of things to come. It seems they where just a terrible side.

 

 

 

Yes, obviously I would rather see us lose every week. The whole playing good football under the Dutch clowns was a myth as well, there was the odd game where we played some nice stuff but the majority of it was just embarassing five yard backwards passes, no real width, penetration or even any real strikers. It was crap.

 

After the Tranmere game my mate was going on and on about how great we were. I maintained the whole time that it was because Tranmere were so awful rather than us being good. It is worrying that we can't ever put in a really dominant performance.

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After the Tranmere game my mate was going on and on about how great we were. I maintained the whole time that it was because Tranmere were so awful rather than us being good. It is worrying that we can't ever put in a really dominant performance.

 

They where terrible, their centre forward looked like he had just been on the ****, he was so far off the pace.

 

Agree that we never really put in dominant performances, apart from a handfull of games we didn't dominate many games last season either, we played poorly and still managed to win comfortbly.

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They where terrible, their centre forward looked like he had just been on the ****, he was so far off the pace.

 

Agree that we never really put in dominant performances, apart from a handfull of games we didn't dominate many games last season either, we played poorly and still managed to win comfortbly.

 

What a contradiction. What teams do you know that dominate the majority of games they play? Besides, I disagree with your general point - I think we dominated a lot more games than just the obvious 5 goal spankings.

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What a contradiction. What teams do you know that dominate the majority of games they play? Besides, I disagree with your general point - I think we dominated a lot more games than just the obvious 5 goal spankings.

 

I don't think that's really a contradiction, Soutend away, Bristol Rovers and Walsall at home where the only really stand out games where we dominated possesion, took our chances and came away winners. There where far more games liek Carlisle at Wembley, MK away, Walsall away, Bristol away this season etc where we scored loads without really dominating the ball possesion because we simply had far better players.

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I'd like to see Seaborne back in the line up against Posh. I have always liked Harding and whether to play him or Dickson if NA prefers, will not make me too excited. What I want to see is a change in formation to a 4-4-1-1, with three creative players who should see a lot of the ball, like this:

 

AOX-Hammond-Chaplow-Lallana

Guly

Lambert?

 

My question mark against Lambert is his form this season, but I can't see Barney, or even less Connolly play that role.

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I suspect we will get a win while playing poorly oncemore,which will just paper over the cracks, yet many on here will think all is well and Adkins is still the 'masterstroke appointment'

Back to 4-4-2 please.

We are underperforming week in week out and Lamberts form has to be addressed by Adkins,it has gone on way too long.

What a drama queen you are. Grow a pair you big tart.
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I cant wait for sat, at SMS i think we can beat anyone, especially if they try and come at us. Think NA has us doing well at home, even if we are still learning how to play under him away from home. Peterbrough do seem to enjoy conceding so an early goal or two and we could be well on the way. Not sure of facts but for some reason i think they are poor away from home as well.

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Why can't people learn?

 

We've done well in 451 and well in 442, we've been crap in both too. Solely blaming a formation is ridiculously simplistic. If you're going to defend like school children, the formation really isn't going to matter. Likewise, 451 with an in form Lambert would suddenly be a good formation.

 

I hope Adkins doesn't get convinced that there is 1 formation that works. He's intelligent and seems to realise you need to be flexible. I'd prefer 2 up front for home games, and I'm sure that's what we'll see, but that doesn't mean it should always be the case. 451 isn't always defensive, it isn't always anything, it depends how you use it and who you select. Some of the best teams around don't play 442. It's very difficult it you come up against a defensive team and get overrun in midfield. With Lallana and Chamberlain it can effectively be 433 anyway, it just needs a central midfielder to start getting in the box. In home games, with our players and the level of opposition, I'd like to see us show some intent, a bit of arrogance, and go 4-2-4. Although you could argue that's what our 442 often is at home. The problem remains, 442/424/451/433 that we have players like Hammond/Morgan/Chaplow who don't want to consistently make runs into the box.

 

Too damn sensible. Most of the people on NA's back about tactics cant even spot which formation is being played.

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If we had won the last game we would have been 3rd right now!

 

Luckily for us the league is really tight still and there is room for error's. I'm still hoping that come the end of the season we will be in the top 2 but will probably be looking back and thinking we made it hard for ourselves.

 

I expect us to bounce back and put the Posh away though.

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Why can't people learn?

 

We've done well in 451 and well in 442, we've been crap in both too. Solely blaming a formation is ridiculously simplistic. If you're going to defend like school children, the formation really isn't going to matter. Likewise, 451 with an in form Lambert would suddenly be a good formation.

 

I hope Adkins doesn't get convinced that there is 1 formation that works. He's intelligent and seems to realise you need to be flexible. I'd prefer 2 up front for home games, and I'm sure that's what we'll see, but that doesn't mean it should always be the case. 451 isn't always defensive, it isn't always anything, it depends how you use it and who you select. Some of the best teams around don't play 442. It's very difficult it you come up against a defensive team and get overrun in midfield. With Lallana and Chamberlain it can effectively be 433 anyway, it just needs a central midfielder to start getting in the box. In home games, with our players and the level of opposition, I'd like to see us show some intent, a bit of arrogance, and go 4-2-4. Although you could argue that's what our 442 often is at home. The problem remains, 442/424/451/433 that we have players like Hammond/Morgan/Chaplow who don't want to consistently make runs into the box.

 

 

Different formations work for different teams. Sturrock had his best seasons at Plym playing 4-4-2 at home and 4-5-1 away. The team seemed to like it and they got results.

 

Our team seem to screw up defending far too often no matter who is in the back 4 or what formation we play. We have the players that should be ripping teams apart playing almost any formation. Actually getting them to hit the target or keep the ball or block the shots however is a completly different story.

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think after the defeat yesterday we will come out the traps fast and show them what for.

 

They will be looking for a response after their defeat to charlton too.

 

Worse thing is, i've gotta sit in the posh end with my dad. Hope i will have to sit on my hands a few times.

 

Injuries permitting i would start with lambo and barnard again, oxo and adam on the wings with spiderman and chappers in the middle.

 

Coyr

 

spiderman is not good enough - end of...........

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Two main worries about the Posh game for me (1) After the thumpings they've received recently they'll come for a 0-0 and we won't be able to break them down and (2) Gary Johnson will get potted/fall on his sword this week. I looked at the stats for the 1-5 thumping by Charlton and Charlton only had 4 shots on target the whole game (plus a penalty) so had a 100% strike rate.

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spiderman is not good enough - end of...........

 

lolz. Good enough for French national team but not good enough for Lg1. If you had said he's too good for the players around him and league 1 doesnt allow him to play to his potential you might have had a point. As it stands, its just a really really stupid post.

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Why can't people learn?

 

The problem remains, 442/424/451/433 that we have players like Hammond/Morgan/Chaplow who don't want to consistently make runs into the box.

 

 

In fact I thought they both looked better going forward than they did in their defensive duties.Both were well forward a lot of the time and both had a few goal efforts,some of the not too bad and some well....wretched.I didn't see that there was very much wrong with us going forward at all,it's on the defensive side that we're erring,we don't seem to be able to defend against kick and rush at all well and this can only because everybody we have at the back lacks pace.I think we're sorely missing Butterfield who does seem to have a bit.

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My son-in-law (a Posh STH) received his Tickets from Posh yesterday. My daughter is a Saint so she'll be sitting with us. He went to the game on Saturday and is convinced Saints will also slaughter Posh as they have no defence. Our 'collective' bet is that Saints win by at least three clear goals.He is also convinced the Managers time is close to dismissal.

PS Can anyone give me the link for the -ten Blog.? My grandsons found my PC active and wrecked it!!! I've lost all of my bookmarks.

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