trousers Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2307032,00.html With another Tuesday game set to follow on from this weekend, Nigel will be looking to his squad once more, and with recent injury troubles, the gaffer says that there is scope to dip into the loan market if necessary. "I think that we had an excellent January transfer window in terms of strengthening our squad of players. There was great investment again from the football club, and the Chairman has gone and backed everything that we are trying to do. He is leading it from the front, he wants it more than anybody, and he is trying to do everything he can for us which is fantastic. "January was very good for us in terms of securing the players that we did, and then we spoke about the fact that a week later the loan window would open, so we are constantly looking at the options that we have available at this club. "We are well financed, but we have a strong belief about the group of players that we have got, if there is an opportunity to enhance the group then we will be able to do that. "Bringing someone in is an option available to us, if the right person becomes available..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2307032,00.html With another Tuesday game set to follow on from this weekend, Nigel will be looking to his squad once more, and with recent injury troubles, the gaffer says that there is scope to dip into the loan market if necessary. "I think that we had an excellent January transfer window in terms of strengthening our squad of players. There was great investment again from the football club, and the Chairman has gone and backed everything that we are trying to do. He is leading it from the front, he wants it more than anybody, and he is trying to do everything he can for us which is fantastic. "January was very good for us in terms of securing the players that we did, and then we spoke about the fact that a week later the loan window would open, so we are constantly looking at the options that we have available at this club. "We are well financed, but we have a strong belief about the group of players that we have got, if there is an opportunity to enhance the group then we will be able to do that. "Bringing someone in is an option available to us, if the right person becomes available..." Cant say I agree there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Cant say I agree there. Me neither, but I shall keep on looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Cant say I agree there. MLG will be along shortly saying about how Lallana was signed on a new deal and how we signed two players from Championship clubs, along with Guly who was wanted by another Serie A. I agree with you by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 cant say I agree.....dont rate Guly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 N'Guissen and Forte have not exactly set League 1 alight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Well we did strengthen our squad of players. we had one winger, we now have three. Would have been nice if they were players worthy of knocking on the door of the first team though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Well we did strengthen our squad of players. we had one winger, we now have three. Would have been nice if they were players worthy of knocking on the door of the first team though. My definition of strengthening is focused on quality not quantity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannysfc Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 N'Guissen and Forte have not exactly set League 1 alight. I was there on Tuesday Night at Walsall and I thought N'Guessan did OK and had some chances which he should have taken but that's Football for you as sometimes it goes and sometimes it doesn't go for you and there's still time to see them play and hopefully there'l both do well aintforever Mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 My definition of strengthening is focused on quality not quantity. Ah, the Pompey arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Ah, the Pompey arguement. But with the finances to support it of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Yeah I'm going get really exciting about any new loan signings we might get..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Me thinks he doth protest too much! Considering we didn't have a strong Jan transfer window, he is making himself look slightly silly by saying how well he has been supported by chairman and how well financed we are! Sounds to me like he was told there was nothing to spend and make do whilst singing from the Chairmans hymn sheet! I am convinced CMS would be our player if we had wanted him enough! For whatever reason, we didn't spend, now we are paying the price! We aren't strong enough away from home and it will come back to bite us in the arse! Rant over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 OK, fine Nige. Lets have less talking and more identifying then... The transfer market was Ok in terms of getting players here already to sign contracts (though Guly seems to be doing a Saganowski...), but Forte and N'Guessan havent exactly impressed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 My definition of strengthening is focused on quality not quantity. Trouble with ITK fools like you, is that you assume, that just by asking, anyone will jump hurdles to come to the Saints. Actually trying to get 'quality' players to come, is another matter. ps I see you hijacked yet another thread , have you been taking hate pills or somesuch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I woulld air on the side of a **** poor January transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 January - Lallana, Chaplow and keeping the likes of AOC and Fonte = Brilliant The rest of it = crock of siht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Me thinks he doth protest too much! Considering we didn't have a strong Jan transfer window, he is making himself look slightly silly by saying how well he has been supported by chairman and how well financed we are! Sounds to me like he was told there was nothing to spend and make do whilst singing from the Chairmans hymn sheet! I am convinced CMS would be our player if we had wanted him enough! For whatever reason, we didn't spend, now we are paying the price! We aren't strong enough away from home and it will come back to bite us in the arse! Rant over maybe a rant but a reasonable one Adkins is a little too gushing imo. Ignoring the players we already had, nothing else really grabbed my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 OK, fine Nige. Lets have less talking and more identifying then... The transfer market was Ok in terms of getting players here already to sign contracts (though Guly seems to be doing a Saganowski...), but Forte and N'Guessan havent exactly impressed... More than just a bit lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 cant say I agree.....dont rate Guly... I take it you don't rate Barnard or Lambert either then? He offers far more than those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint simes Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I would hope he is looking hard for a keeper as an injury to Davis would not be a good thing at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmonkey1979 Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I would hope he is looking hard for a keeper as an injury to Davis would not be a good thing at the moment! Roy Carroll, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 OK, fine Nige. Lets have less talking and more identifying then... The transfer market was Ok in terms of getting players here already to sign contracts (though Guly seems to be doing a Saganowski...), but Forte and N'Guessan havent exactly impressed... Could you just tell what their appearance stats are? How long does it take to impress you? As you indicate, Sagonwski "impressed" when on loan. Didn`t last long did it. I don`t really know if Forte and N`Guessan are going to be any good but I am willing to give them a fair chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 OK, fine Nige. Lets have less talking and more identifying then... The transfer market was Ok in terms of getting players here already to sign contracts (though Guly seems to be doing a Saganowski...), but Forte and N'Guessan havent exactly impressed... You wanted L1 cover players, you got L1 cover players. As i said before, i really dont know what sort of players people expected to join a league one side as a cover player. I'm with Hypo, my definition of strengthening the squad is based around quality not quanitity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 More than just a bit lazy. Guly is most certainly not lazy - a bit casual perhaps - but he runs his ass off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Blimey, a couple or poor results and average performances from Guly and he's dropped off the face of the earth in terms of fan opinion. I seem to recall almost everyone being happy with his signing in the window, oh and half the board came out with "if we just keep Lallana and Alex it will be a brilliant window". We appear to be somewhat greedier now. Looking at N'Guessen, he's started twice and come on as sub twice, and Forte his two sub appearances. Forgive me if I don't write them off just yet, although I have to agree I'd like us to have signed players that were actually better than Barnard and er Lallana/Chamberlain (how the hell do you better those two in league 1?). Mind you Lee Cook might have been a better option and if we hadn't been priced out of the equation Makail-Smith might have been the ticket. If fans knew where we stand finance wise (are we breaking even for example) then perhaps our player signing expectations might be lowered a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Blimey, a couple or poor results and average performances from Guly and he's dropped off the face of the earth in terms of fan opinion. I seem to recall almost everyone being happy with his signing in the window, oh and half the board came out with "if we just keep Lallana and Alex it will be a brilliant window". We appear to be somewhat greedier now. Looking at N'Guessen, he's started twice and come on as sub twice, and Forte his two sub appearances. Forgive me if I don't write them off just yet, although I have to agree I'd like us to have signed players that were actually better than Barnard and er Lallana/Chamberlain (how the hell do you better those two in league 1?). Mind you Lee Cook might have been a better option and if we hadn't been proced out of the equation Makail-Smith might have been the ticket. I don't think Guly's even played poorly in the games I've seen and certainly didn't get the clamour on here after the Swindon game that he should be dropped so Barnard could start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsaint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Sorry but he's back to using very clumsy English. What is his actual qualification? Didn't he write essays? Apologies rant over - I'll get my coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 OK, fine Nige. Lets have less talking and more identifying then... The transfer market was Ok in terms of getting players here already to sign contracts (though Guly seems to be doing a Saganowski...), but Forte and N'Guessan havent exactly impressed... I've only seen N'Guessan at home and he loopked rubbish in that game (I know others say he played better away) ,so I'd tend to agrre with you over him, but it's a bit tough to slate Forte. He's had a promising few minutes as a sub, when he looked a lot better than N'Guessan IMO, then he's been injured. Give the bloke a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Me thinks he doth protest too much! Considering we didn't have a strong Jan transfer window, he is making himself look slightly silly by saying how well he has been supported by chairman and how well financed we are! Sounds to me like he was told there was nothing to spend and make do whilst singing from the Chairmans hymn sheet! I am convinced CMS would be our player if we had wanted him enough! For whatever reason, we didn't spend, now we are paying the price! We aren't strong enough away from home and it will come back to bite us in the arse! Rant over Cortese actually said that the "sale" of AO-C in the transfer window didn't help us getting players in as other clubs assumed we would be getting the £10m and upped their priced accordingly. Player's agents would have got greedy too and demanded huge salaries. We want the players, doesn't mean we should be held to ransom over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I've only seen N'Guessan at home and he loopked rubbish in that game (I know others say he played better away) ,so I'd tend to agrre with you over him, but it's a bit tough to slate Forte. He's had a promising few minutes as a sub, when he looked a lot better than N'Guessan IMO, then he's been injured. Give the bloke a chance! You should know by now - never let facts get in the way of a good moan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Cortese actually said that the "sale" of AO-C in the transfer window didn't help us getting players in as other clubs assumed we would be getting the £10m and upped their priced accordingly. Player's agents would have got greedy too and demanded huge salaries. We want the players, doesn't mean we should be held to ransom over them. True on the other hand you have to speculate to accumulate, If we really felt a player (or two) was worth having it might have been worth a bit extra to get them in and help get promotion. It's a fine line. I wouldn't us to go back to how we used to be average players for too much money on long contracts. On the other hand missing out on say CMS from Peterbrough becuase we refused to pay say another 100,000 would seem like false economy. Who'd be a football chairman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 True on the other hand you have to speculate to accumulate, If we really felt a player (or two) was worth having it might have been worth a bit extra to get them in and help get promotion. It's a fine line. I wouldn't us to go back to how we used to be average players for too much money on long contracts. On the other hand missing out on say CMS from Peterbrough becuase we refused to pay say another 100,000 would seem like false economy. Who'd be a football chairman? Agree, but bringing a player in on a large® salary will have a knock on effect on the other players. Rickie will suddenly want more, Adam will want more...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohwhenthesaints Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 OK, fine Nige. Lets have less talking and more identifying then... The transfer market was Ok in terms of getting players here already to sign contracts (though Guly seems to be doing a Saganowski...), but Forte and N'Guessan havent exactly impressed... Yeah, if a player doesn't perform in his first 10 minutes on the pitch then they're ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 FFS All of you saying Forte hasn't impressed really should hang your heads in shame. Dont get you. If he was blowing NA away in training he would be getting more game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 NA is obviously putting a positive spin on a disappointing transfer window - we had the money and made some offers but they didn't come off. Maybe it was Nigels fault or NC's or outside the clubs control but either way he's trying to send a positive message in what must be a highly pressured and political environment. I get the feeling though that as far as finances go we've got what we've got and the "family" won't be supplying anymore cash than whatever sits in the coffers right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Dont get you. If he was blowing NA away in training he would be getting more game time. He has been injured since the Carlise game i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 NA is obviously putting a positive spin on a disappointing transfer window - we had the money and made some offers but they didn't come off. Maybe it was Nigels fault or NC's or outside the clubs control but either way he's trying to send a positive message in what must be a highly pressured and political environment. I get the feeling though that as far as finances go we've got what we've got and the "family" won't be supplying anymore cash than whatever sits in the coffers right now. Even Dave Merrington brought the finances into question in one of his remarks on Tuesday evening so I guess NA's reference to it in his pre-match is a direct response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 He has been injured since the Carlise game i believe. OK, thanks for pointing that out. Still means the same thing though, that we havent reaped much tangible benefit from the window so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 NA is obviously putting a positive spin on a disappointing transfer window - we had the money and made some offers but they didn't come off. Maybe it was Nigels fault or NC's or outside the clubs control but either way he's trying to send a positive message in what must be a highly pressured and political environment. I get the feeling though that as far as finances go we've got what we've got and the "family" won't be supplying anymore cash than whatever sits in the coffers right now. Or we can blame the Daily Mail and Arsenal or Liverpool as NC alluded to a few weeks ago, because their sniffing round AOC and the reporting of it drove the price of our targets up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 He has been injured since the Carlise game i believe. Thats my understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Cortese actually said that the "sale" of AO-C in the transfer window didn't help us getting players in as other clubs assumed we would be getting the £10m and upped their priced accordingly. Player's agents would have got greedy too and demanded huge salaries. We want the players, doesn't mean we should be held to ransom over them. No it didn't, but it will be no different in the summer transfer window, when Oxo WILL be sold All other Clubs will up their asking price for any player Saints may enquire about, same as in January just gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Or we can blame the Daily Mail and Arsenal or Liverpool as NC alluded to a few weeks ago, because their sniffing round AOC and the reporting of it drove the price of our targets up. Yeah right, never have I heard such a load of old crock for a poor transfer window as that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 (edited) Thats my understanding. Must have been really fit then, 10 minutes and he gets a groin strain, why even sicknote Anderton usually managed more than that. Edited 4 March, 2011 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 OK, thanks for pointing that out. Still means the same thing though, that we havent reaped much tangible benefit from the window so far. Indeed. Below is taken from the UI site, like with most things on the internet i am not 100% sure of its accuracy but the poster is well known and respected and has been involved in proffesional football himself, make of this what you will but might explain a lot. "You have to question the way we negotiate for players, we saw it last season as well. The only success we really had has come via a panel which decides a fair price..ie Richardson / Dickson. These players are disaffected with their clubs and wanted away. We even got a taste of our negotiating tactics when trying to agree compo for Adkins. Atkins was ADVISED if he resigned there would be no compensation to haggle over. Who advised him ????? Certainly not his agent, and certainly not anyone from S****horpe. If you remember Adkins refused to do so out of respect for his old club. So it had to come from someone here at SFC. We also have the example of Matt Philips from Wycombe. After an initial approach Wycombe were infuriated at our "derisory offer". Then an improved offer was tabled, which caused the chairman of Wycombe to refuse to answer the phone to our chairman, and all discussion ended there. Now I am in a position to know exactly what those 2 offers were. £50k, then £54k! The player was sold two weeks later for £254k, plus add ons. Suggests to me whoever is advising NC how to negotiate, and how to talk to other clubs, doesn't have a clue. The only transfers that went through with any kind of smoothness, without the two clubs falling out were lambert and Fonte. Pardew negotiated the Lambert deal in it's entirety. Cortese was involved in the background of the Fonte deal, with Pardew again doing the talking. Since then, all negotiations for players has been the responsibilty of Nicola with Les Reed advising him. In fact Les Reed advised NC ion the appointment of our present manager and also advised him on the level of compo he should offer. We all remember the bitter complaints from Southend over the Barnard deal and the way they were treated. And again Gillingham refusing to speak to us over the aborted Jackson deal. Coventry City and WARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to realise what is going on"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Indeed. Below is taken from the UI site, like with most things on the internet i am not 100% sure of its accuracy but the poster is well known and respected and has been involved in proffesional football himself, make of this what you will but might explain a lot. "You have to question the way we negotiate for players, we saw it last season as well. The only success we really had has come via a panel which decides a fair price..ie Richardson / Dickson. These players are disaffected with their clubs and wanted away. We even got a taste of our negotiating tactics when trying to agree compo for Adkins. Atkins was ADVISED if he resigned there would be no compensation to haggle over. Who advised him ????? Certainly not his agent, and certainly not anyone from S****horpe. If you remember Adkins refused to do so out of respect for his old club. So it had to come from someone here at SFC. We also have the example of Matt Philips from Wycombe. After an initial approach Wycombe were infuriated at our "derisory offer". Then an improved offer was tabled, which caused the chairman of Wycombe to refuse to answer the phone to our chairman, and all discussion ended there. Now I am in a position to know exactly what those 2 offers were. £50k, then £54k! The player was sold two weeks later for £254k, plus add ons. Suggests to me whoever is advising NC how to negotiate, and how to talk to other clubs, doesn't have a clue. The only transfers that went through with any kind of smoothness, without the two clubs falling out were lambert and Fonte. Pardew negotiated the Lambert deal in it's entirety. Cortese was involved in the background of the Fonte deal, with Pardew again doing the talking. Since then, all negotiations for players has been the responsibilty of Nicola with Les Reed advising him. In fact Les Reed advised NC ion the appointment of our present manager and also advised him on the level of compo he should offer. We all remember the bitter complaints from Southend over the Barnard deal and the way they were treated. And again Gillingham refusing to speak to us over the aborted Jackson deal. Coventry City and WARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to realise what is going on"! Must have been too busy reading the "Top 3 Cougars you would smash" thread to notice that then, from Pat I presume.Good job Rickie doesn't read the Ugly, Nick lets him have it again in today's preview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Roy Carroll, maybe? Carroll is a good option but tainted with alcohol problems. Maybe a pay as you play contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Must have been too busy reading the "Top 3 Cougars you would smash" thread to notice that then, from Pat I presume.Good job Rickie doesn't read the Ugly, Nick lets him have it again in today's preview. That top cougars thread was quality Yeah Pat, was on the "saints will pay dearly for not buying" thread. NIck seems to have it in for Lambert and Harding at the moment, i think Dickson is better than Harding but think Lambert hasn't been as bad he says the last few months and i go to a fair few away games so dont fall into the category of fans he talks about that have a pop at him (NIck) becuse they only see players at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Dont get you. If he was blowing NA away in training he would be getting more game time. 1) He is injured. 2) LM - we have best LM in this league 3) RM - is wanted by Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool Very few players outside of prem would be straight into our side on wings. We signed players who have played regularly in CCC to be on our subs bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 That top cougars thread was quality Yeah Pat, was on the "saints will pay dearly for not buying" thread. NIck seems to have it in for Lambert and Harding at the moment, i think Dickson is better than Harding but think Lambert hasn't been as bad he says the last few months and i go to a fair few away games so dont fall into the category of fans he talks about that have a pop at him (NIck) becuse they only see players at home. As you well know I think Lambert is our one and only problem, all the rest would just fade away if we dropped him and tried something else. I don't think we can drop him though...as to why I just couldn't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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