The9 Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 Forest have never played in all red, so don't know where the comparisons come from. Very similar to their 1992 Umbro shirt (white shorts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 How are shirts normally sold on the first day? From the MEgastore at the ground? Weird that we decided to put them on sale the day before the store reopened. The cynic in me would think it'd be the classic marketing trick of small shop, only letting a few in at a time, creates a big queue, looks great from a PR/demand point of view.......? Something I mentioned earlier, online sales used to despatch for the same day and the Megastore is usually open too, so actually it has compressed everyone who wants one and is in the area into one place. No idea what total sales are usually but you're right that it does look more impressive that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 what if loads are..? what would be your thoughts if this out sells the great sash kit..? I'd say how many did we sell in 2004/5 and how many of those people last bought one of those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 It. Is. Not. An. All. Red. Shirt. .Is it red and white and grey stripes then? Liverpool "Crown Paints" basically the same style, definitely just plain red to every person who ever lived. With some pinstripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 Is it red and white and grey stripes then? Liverpool "Crown Paints" basically the same style, definitely just plain red to every person who ever lived. With some pinstripes. Seems people are clutching at straws, to be fair, they're the same width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 I think part of my hatred for red shorts is rooted in me going to buy the new Saints home kit in 76/77 (the candy striped one). It was from a sports shop in St. Mary's St - the church end of the street, can't remember the name (Duncan?). The dummy in the window had the kit on, but to my horror had red shorts, complete with the Admiral symbols down the sides. The guy in the shop told me that we were going to be playing in red shorts that season. I just couldn't believe it. It didn't look right. It didn't look like Saints. To my 12 year old credit - I was really desperate to be the first kid on the estate with that kit - I decided to wait. It just wasn't right. Of course later, on going to the Saints Shop I was relieved to find out that we were indeed playing in our traditional black shorts, and all was well in the world again. I never did return to that St. Mary's sports shop. Suspect I am not going to find out thre's been a mistake this time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 Is it red and white and grey stripes then? Liverpool "Crown Paints" basically the same style, definitely just plain red to every person who ever lived. With some pinstripes. Yes. Whatever it is, it ISN'T plain red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 Is it red and white and grey stripes then? Liverpool "Crown Paints" basically the same style, definitely just plain red to every person who ever lived. With some pinstripes. You mean this red and white pinstripe one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 You mean this red and white pinstripe one? Yes, that red one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 Oh dear, you're getting into very murky statistical waters here my friend... Based on the evidence we have (the poll above), I could very easily argue that, if you say the "3,000" that turned up (I believe he figure was more like 500, but anyway...) they represent those in the poll (statistically), thus 6,000+ fans DIDN'T turn up. Or we could do the no of people who turned up and bought kits as a % of the Saints supporting population of the city? Okay, being flippant, but you can't mix up your mathematical basis mate, you just can't... PS I have a few mates who, believe it or not, don't like the kit "but will probably buy it anyway", so even the supposition that those who buy he kit 'like' it is flawed. Strange world. There's no way of proving how many were at West Quay today, I asked the bouncer/steward/queue attendent and he said that there'd been 'At Least 750 people in the queue so far' that was at 1:15pm, there was another 3 hours 45 minutes until close to go so I estimated that if those numbers kept up then there'd be between 1000-3000 people. Others have asked stewards/bouncers/queue attendents and were told lower/higher amounts so there's no way of proving how many people in the queue. All I meant was the 776 forum members that voted on here is a good sample. There's a slight majority of 50.82% that hate it and 49.18% who either don't care or like it/love it. So a very marmite kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 Yes, that red one. Why you little... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 Why you little... Haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 Haha! Nice to see Bart Simpson is a Saints fan, although Homer didn't bother with the shorts - at those prices, don't blame him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 The backroom team at Staplewood have looked back through history and come up with this kit. Notts Forest wore this style of kit when they went from 2nd tier, to top tier winners crowning the run with back to back European Cups - all in four years. Get behind the kit ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960saint Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 How many versions of a stripey shirt can you have, ???? its been done to death before time after time . the new version is up to date ,buying it could put money back into club ,unless your a diehard stripey fan and who wants to recycle your branfoot stripey shirt from the 80's for the umpteenth time. im all for saving the planet but it could help the sfc in the premiership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 Nice to see Bart Simpson is a Saints fan, although Homer didn't bother with the shorts - at those prices, don't blame him.... Doesn't Bart wear an orange top?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 How many versions of a stripey shirt can you have, ???? its been done to death before time after time . the new version is up to date ,buying it could put money back into club ,unless your a diehard stripey fan and who wants to recycle your branfoot stripey shirt from the 80's for the umpteenth time. im all for saving the planet but it could help the sfc in the premiership Ok......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 I think it all looks quite classy, including the promotional stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 I think it all looks quite classy, including the promotional stuff. Perhaps a new beginning for saints. The start of something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 I think it all looks quite classy, including the promotional stuff. My instinct is to post: "I'm sure Cardiff feel the same way...." But no, it's not that extreme. It's just not right, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 I think it all looks quite classy, including the promotional stuff. Now you've posted that I am amazed at how clearly you can see all those stripes on the kits on the hangers. They're like barber's poles with sleeves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 I think it all looks quite classy, including the promotional stuff. It may look "classy" and well packaged, but it does NOT look or scream "Saints" . It looks more like a Bristol City, or a Swindon Town attempt to emulate a bigger club. I had hoped we might already be above such a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 This still doesn't look like a Saints kit! No matter how much i try to like it I just can't. Who decided that this was the design to have? We may be trying to go forward with a new image, but we should have at least kept with tradition for the first season back in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 Don't mind the away strip, but the home shirt just isn't right. Still, I'm sure they'll change it again next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 All I meant was the 776 forum members that voted on here is a good sample. There's a slight majority of 50.82% that hate it and 49.18% who either don't care or like it/love it. So a very marmite kit. And what a shame that is. With a bit more thought and understanding of what most Saints fans want, the club/Umbro could have produced a kit that would have had 80-90% approval ratings. A massive missed opportunity to march back into he Premier League with our identity intact and our supporter based happy (not to mention the increased revenue from increased replica kit sales). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 Perhaps a new beginning for saints. The start of something special. Pretending to be Liverpool doesn't feel 'special' to me. I'd rather just look and feel like Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 A yellow third kit will be unveiled during the memorial cup,rumour has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 To be honest black shorts would probably have placated a fair few. It's the all red / Liverpool thing that I think annoys most dissenters. Actually, I take that back - just seen the mock up with he black shorts. Just as hideous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 (edited) Like it or not, why do people have a desperate need to be seen having something new as soon as possible? Whether an iPhone, saints shirt or harry potter book, you gain very little from having it 24 hours earlier, have to make a big effort to do so and look like an obsessive materialistic nobstick. Or does wearing a shirt before anyone else make you feel amazing? It can't be that thing of not wanting to be seen in the same top as other people. That's down to capitalism & being a consumer nation. To be fair, it's better than fascism or communism but capitalism is disloyal & mobile. Hence why the bubble has burst & our economy is in tatters due to a controlling elite operating through privately owned central banks which do NOT belong to the state since we sold that out to the bankers in the biggest scam of the 21st century. Hence corporations controlling politics & evading democracy but that's another subject entirely & it's not the time nor place for that discussion. Phew! Tangents... Basically, we're conditioned from as soon as we can read & speak to eat, drink & consume what we are told. Advertising pervades every facet of life...yet perversely protected by almost every copyright law going despite us not choosing to view the offending items (as Banksy once so wisely uttered). Edited 1 July, 2012 by Gordon Mockles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 And what a shame that is. With a bit more thought and understanding of what most Saints fans want, the club/Umbro could have produced a kit that would have had 80-90% approval ratings. A massive missed opportunity to march back into he Premier League with our identity intact and our supporter based happy (not to mention the increased revenue from increased replica kit sales). You can't please everyone, there'd always be some section of annoyed fans out there. Gecko_Saint even designed the shirts for the 06/07 season ages ago and alot of people thought they were ****e too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't when it comes to any football fan with her/his selected club. Some like traditional colours, some like the club to try something new etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_TOAST Posted 1 July, 2012 Share Posted 1 July, 2012 hmm as said it just aint saints n make me bit cross the club have done this i want red n white stripes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 When you look at the away shown below it looks more "Saints like". IMO Think I'll hold off until I see them both in the flesh. And wait and see if there is a rumoured 3rd kit! Maybe Cortese has given us what we wanted when he heard so many saying they wanted the Rank Xerox kit. We've got a shirt similar to the 80-85 3rd kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCUK Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Can I just say, if anyone is still reading this thread, that over here in Aus I work for an ad agency on the A League account. We've just finished creating a new identity for the new Western Sydney team that will play in next season's league. My point is, that in creating this team from scratch, more than 1,000 fans attended seven fan forums and over 15,000 people completed an online survey to help define the spirit and identity of their football club. Of course, you can't have that level of involvement for a shirt change every season. But the fact is, some consultation would not have gone amiss. As someone said above: this kit does not look like or feel like Southampton Football Club. And for that reason alone, it's wrong. When we're going back to the Premier League after a 7 year absence, it's just plain stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 You can't please everyone, there'd always be some section of annoyed fans out there. Gecko_Saint even designed the shirts for the 06/07 season ages ago and alot of people thought they were ****e too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't when it comes to any football fan with her/his selected club. Some like traditional colours, some like the club to try something new etc. How many were "annoyed" or "damned" over last season's kit? Somewhere between not many and hardly any I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 (edited) When you look at the away shown below it looks more "Saints like". IMO Think I'll hold off until I see them both in the flesh. And wait and see if there is a rumoured 3rd kit! Maybe Cortese has given us what we wanted when he heard so many saying they wanted the Rank Xerox kit. We've got a shirt similar to the 80-85 3rd kit. Right, so we do have a bit of history in playing all-white in the away kit. But the home kit just sticks out as completely wrong. Was surprised to see the 3rd kit back in 1980-84, never seen that before. The home and away kits from that time just so stand out as classic kits, really dont understand why the club doesnt want to re-use and update the design. I know the Pony tick is not a popular design, but MLT performed so many of his greatest feats in that kit that it has to go down as a classic. Why are there 2 sock colours against last year's away kit ? Edited 2 July, 2012 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 You can't please everyone, there'd always be some section of annoyed fans out there. Gecko_Saint even designed the shirts for the 06/07 season ages ago and alot of people thought they were ****e too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't when it comes to any football fan with her/his selected club. Some like traditional colours, some like the club to try something new etc. I think you'll find very few football fans like their club trying 'something new' in terms of changing the colour palette used. The extreme example is Cardiff. My point is that the club would have far fewer unhappy fans if they had based the new design on typical Saints colour combo's, rather than basing them on another club. 10% of fans not liking it makes much better economic sense than 50% not liking it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1885 Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Does anyone why they do not offer the PL badge printed on the shirt in the online store ? Just couldn't find an option for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I think it all looks quite classy, including the promotional stuff. Seriously my first thought when I saw this picture was "I am in the Liverpool club shop". That is the main reason I hate this kit. It looks like we are trying to emulate a bunch of dodgy scousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Pretending to be Liverpool doesn't feel 'special' to me. I'd rather just look and feel like Saints. .....or Stoke, Sunderland, Atletico Madrid or someone working behind the deli counter at ASDA, presumably? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 .....or Stoke, Sunderland, Atletico Madrid or someone working behind the deli counter at ASDA, presumably? No, just Saints. All I am interested in. Have no desire to be rebranded a Liverpool mkII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 No, just Saints. All I am interested in. Have no desire to be rebranded a Liverpool mkII. Just saints and Liverpool Is this going to be another day that you keep going on about a team from 25 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 We have some of the most whinging fans in football imho. I, and many others like it, I and many others think NC is doing a good job, I and many others think that NA is a good manager, yet a select few on here, who post the most (shout the loudest), seek to insult and shout down anyone who says so. One would suspect that they weren't Saints fans? It's a simple choice here, would you prefer this shirt in the PL, or stripes in L1. Half those who have slagged this off, will be wearing it this season, be sure of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 .....or Stoke, Sunderland, Atletico Madrid or someone working behind the deli counter at ASDA, presumably? Just how long have you hated the fact we wear red and white stripes? Until this week I have never heard in real life (or even read on a forum and I've been on them for a decade now) anyone complaining that our kit being similar to Stoke was a massive problem. Never. I don't remember anyone now sneering at stripes complaining last year either - please put me right if you did. But I bet you didn't. Now, apparently our similarity to Stoke was a major issue to some people. Its all a bit odd. I expect uproar from these people if we are back in stripes next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 There will be no uproar next season if we return to stripes Nothing like there is at the mo. mainly because,in your words this is a "slightly different design" and it's no big deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 It's a simple choice here, would you prefer this shirt in the PL, or stripes in L1. There is no such choice whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 There will be no uproar next season if we return to stripes Nothing like there is at the mo. mainly because,in your words this is a "slightly different design" and it's no big deal Seems that our classic strip is a big deal to some people. We've spent most of the last half century looking like people behind the deli counter in Asda apparently. If that's not "whinging fans" I don't know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Seems that our classic strip is a big deal to some people. We've spent most of the last half century looking like people behind the deli counter in Asda apparently. If that's not "whinging fans" I don't know what is. And it seems not having stripes for a season is also a big deal for others. Or some like change now and then You can't please all people all of the time Like I said earlier. If the kit launch was a failure I'm sure you would have been very quick to point out that it would have been because of the kit design. Now it seems it was not a failure. Kit design does not come into it really.... It is the prem effect Apparently. Or that people are simply "mongs" Same of this goes on to be the best kit sale of all time. I'm sure the design won't come into it for you. Truth is. All factors are to play no matter how it sells. But it does seem many really do like it. I say, chill out, don't get so uptight about it. It will probably be gone next season. And we will return to (IMO) boring red and white traditional stripes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCUK Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Some things are worth 'whinging' about. This is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerceSaint28 Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Im sorry but the kit is rank...looks like a filthy training shirt... Someone is completely devoid of any type of creativity or style in either the Umbro or saints design team. What a shame, we are a global brand now and we have created this mess of a kit...it really has annoyed me. First time in years i was actually going to buy a shirt...i will not be buying that... Very dissapointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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